The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Superhobo]

This is a cool point and I tend to agree. Despite the fact that a suit like this would be hard to draw.

No. Just no.

 

[Gianakin_]

because experienced filmmakers know that books and film are two different types of media and sometimes things need to be changed in order to fit the particular artistic expression?

I'm not necessarily defending the Sauron-thing, but I can see the reason behind it.

What reason was there behind it, in your opinion? They were declaring that they wanted to be as close to the books as possible and to keep the themes. How on earth would Sauron take form without his power (aka ring), especially when they spent 2 movies trying to say that the ring is the last barrier that keeps Sauron from becoming full again (metaphorically and literally).

No, that was the three writers trying to appeal to action demographics, when there was no need to. Which, to me, is not a real reason.

Sometimes the "reason" is an ego issue and nothing more. See Legolas using a shield as a surfing device (?) to go down the stairway in Two Towers. That's not artistic expression, that's trying to leave your unnecessary fingerprint in a piece of art (classic or not).

 

[Kaizer]

What reason was there behind it, in your opinion? They were declaring that they wanted to be as close to the books as possible and to keep the themes. How on earth would Sauron take form without his power (aka ring), especially when they spent 2 movies trying to say that the ring is the last barrier that keeps Sauron from becoming full again (metaphorically and literally).

No, that was the three writers trying to appeal to action demographics, when there was no need to. Which, to me, is not a real reason.

Sometimes the "reason" is an ego issue and nothing more. See Legolas using a shield as a surfing device (?) to go down the stairway in Two Towers. That's not artistic expression, that's trying to leave your unnecessary fingerprint in a piece of art (classic or not).

you have your answer right there. Like I said, I'm not necessarily defending the Sauron-example, so you don't have to get all lotr-fanboy-defensive about it. I'm not a huge lotr fan, but I respect the movies for what they are, and I enjoy the books. But on the other hand, there's a fine line between failure and success in the film-business and releasing the lotr films as 3-hour fantasy-fests is a risky thing to do (personally, I think even 2 hours can be "stretching it" in some instances) I'm just saying that making the Sauron-ending would have been a lot "safer" than following the book, from a financial point of view. Plus, the Legolas-scenes you mentioned are the ones that I've experienced gained the most positive responses in the theatres from the general public, I'm not a fan of them personally, but if you want a movie to be successful and appealing to everyone, you have to raise the popcorn-level.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think the new suit is pretty cool. we're talking about something that was military in origin so it is gonna look a bit complex. its not as though bruce would go out and buy some grey pjs some black briefs and boots and sew a yellow bat symbol on them now is it?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think the new suit is pretty cool. we're talking about something that was military in origin so it is gonna look a bit complex. its not as though bruce would go out and buy some grey pjs some black briefs and boots and sew a yellow bat symbol on them now is it?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I have just one thing to say to all of you....


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[bunk]

Something tells me if this level of sophistication was around when Batman was first created, his suit would resemble this. But it wasn't around in either real life or comics.

"Long ago, the Batman had permanently discarded his bulletproof vest because it hampered freedom of movement."

Batman #5 by Bill Finger and Bob Kane

So...no, probably not. The concept they put forth initially, was that of a man who used his physical abilities and wits to defeat criminals. In that same issue, he literally shrugs off bullets.

 

[Crook]

Heh, nice. I had completely forgotten that quote. Nice to know even the creators recognized this.

 

[Boom]

Add +10 to Batman's badassery.

 

[The_Joker7895]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who actually not only likes the new suit, but loves it and prefers it to the suit used in Batman Begins (and all other Bat-films).

 

[CRABBAH HUK!]

It seems the debate is in large part tradition vs. protective functionality/modern sensibilty...

How about both :

http://www.aip.org/dbis/stories/2006/15201.html

"Rheologists have created a new way of bullet-proofing clothes using shear-thickening fluids. Fabric treated with shear-thickening granular suspensions can turn soft material into solid protective gear when struck by a projectile. The treatment can strengthen Kevlar to produce lighter, more comfortable bullet-proof vests, or it can be used to turn extend the bullet-proof protection to ordinary fabric."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8721&feedId=online-news_rss20

"A futuristic flexible material that instantly hardens into armour upon impact will protect US and Canadian skiers from injury on the slalom runs at this year's Winter Olympics."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3823

"Materials made from such threads could be used to make bullet-proof vests as light as a T-shirt...This is three times greater than the toughest natural material, spider silk."

 

[Mr. Earle]

It seems the debate is in large part tradition vs. protective functionality/modern sensibilty...

How about both :

http://www.aip.org/dbis/stories/2006/15201.html

"Rheologists have created a new way of bullet-proofing clothes using shear-thickening fluids. Fabric treated with shear-thickening granular suspensions can turn soft material into solid protective gear when struck by a projectile. The treatment can strengthen Kevlar to produce lighter, more comfortable bullet-proof vests, or it can be used to turn extend the bullet-proof protection to ordinary fabric."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8721&feedId=online-news_rss20

"A futuristic flexible material that instantly hardens into armour upon impact will protect US and Canadian skiers from injury on the slalom runs at this year's Winter Olympics."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3823

"Materials made from such threads could be used to make bullet-proof vests as light as a T-shirt...This is three times greater than the toughest natural material, spider silk."

With the batsuit made out of this and the cape out of the memory cloth... it seems that batman would have 3 things on him that change between hard and flaccid.

 

[CRABBAH HUK!]

With the batsuit made out of this and the cape out of the memory cloth... it seems that batman would have 3 things on him that change between hard and flaccid.

Make the cape the same material. They are actually both classified as "smart fabric".

 

[digu rui]

i dunno if im stating the obvious but did you guys notice the new gotham tonight episode?

 

[SheldonLevene]

No. Just no.

I don't understand. If Batman were created and first appeared in a comic today I wouldn't be surprised if he dressed in a similar fashion to how he does it TDK.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

of course ....movies and comics goe hand in hand....

 

[TheBatman072]

I was reading Superman/Batman last night, and Batman had a bigger, bulkier version of the TDK symbol on his chest.


It was cool.

 

[SheldonLevene]

I was reading Superman/Batman last night, and Batman had a bigger, bulkier version of the TDK symbol on his chest.


It was cool.

Pics or it didn't happen. Lol but seriously I would like to see that I bet it's cool.

 

[TheBatman072]

Pics or it didn't happen. Lol but seriously I would like to see that I bet it's cool.

Sadly, I don't have a scanner.


I'll try and find something on some comic art sites.

 

[zmystico]

Considering the advancement discoveries of liquid body armor, the smart armor, and nanotube threads, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for the next Batman movie to have a more comic-Batman appearance, with these advances there really is no true need for excessive body armor, some but not alot.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Sadly, I don't have a scanner.


I'll try and find something on some comic art sites.

Cool try that.

 

[Saint]

I don't understand. If Batman were created and first appeared in a comic today I wouldn't be surprised if he dressed in a similar fashion to how he does it TDK.

I would. Batman is still a character who balances supernatural, superheroic, and militaristic elements, and no modern design (except a stupid one) would abandon that balance--as the TDK suit has, for the most part. Any modern design is as likely to be focused on the supernatural, stylistic elements of the costume as it is the practical ones.

I imagine a modern Batman design would be comparable to Nighthawk of the Supremeverse, whose costume is a very clever medium between practicality and stylistic elements

 

[SheldonLevene]

Considering the advancement discoveries of liquid body armor, the smart armor, and nanotube threads, I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for the next Batman movie to have a more comic-Batman appearance, with these advances there really is no true need for excessive body armor, some but not alot.

No you're definitely right. Hell just throw the mesh over top of the TDK armor I would so love that, and have stated it for quite some time.

 

[TheBatman072]

Cool try that.

http://media.comics.ign.com/media/740/740471/img_5634783.html

 

[SheldonLevene]

I would. Batman is still a character who balances supernatural, superheroic, and militaristic elements, and no modern design (except a stupid one) would abandon that balance--as the TDK suit has, for the most part. Any modern design is as likely to be focused on the supernatural, stylistic elements of the costume as it is the practical ones.

I imagine a modern Batman design would be comparable to Nighthawk of the Supremeverse, whose costume is a very clever medium between practicality and stylistic elements

I don't know who this is. Pics? Cuz we might agree here. I was just simply saying an appearance that is clearly armored wouldn't be that much out of left field. To me at least.