The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[SheldonLevene]

Oh. That makes sense.

Lol sweet. I love making sense.

 

[Crook]

Seems okay for people to use cheap fanfilm costumes as a basis for why a classic design couldn't work.

Oooh. Good one.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Oooh. Good one.

Crook I like you. You seem intelligent, but did you honestly like Casablanca?

 

[adamwe]

looks like he's wearing a brat:

hate to see the girls you go out with lol.

 

[Crook]

Crook I like you. You seem intelligent, but did you honestly like Casablanca?

All-time classic, my man. I didn't even see it until last year, and automatically fell in love with it.

Why....are you this one person in the world that does not like it?

 

[SheldonLevene]

All-time classic, my man. I didn't even see it until last year, and automatically fell in love with it.

Why....are you this one person in the world that does not like it?

Ah yes and no. I thought it was pretty good filmaking, but not a really gripping story. I thought it was well done, but like Citizen Kane not deserving of my top 2 like it is with most people.

 

[Crook]

Ah. Well it's not in everyone's taste, that much I can understand. Just don't go around dissing the first 2 Godfather films, and we'll be on good terms.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Ah. Well it's not in everyone's taste, that much I can understand. Just don't go around dissing the first 2 Godfather films, and we'll be on good terms.

I did not care for the Godfather...what...Did not care for the Godfather. lol. Of course an allusion to the Family Guy episode. I enjoyed those movies.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Back to capes and cowls.

 

[deathfromabove]

Oh dear, I am vanquished!

because this board is one big competition right?

not everyone is on these boards to prove everyone wrong, convince anyone of anything, and win win win, saint ole pal. some are actually looking for info, camraderie, and hype. but it seems to be working for you, so keep it up i say.


and btw, that manip is poorly executed and does nothing to support your statement about its feasabilty as a batsuit. and no i wont explain why as it is plainly obvious.

If you want your opinion to worth something, it certainly is necessary--otherwise it's just arbitrary nonsense pulled out of the air, means nothing, is worth nothing, convinces no one, and might as well not be posted. Since you explained it anyway, you probably recognize this.

because you should only post if its what?...convincing? worthwhile? worthy of the public record that is the hype? and to whom should it be worthwhile?

i guess i just dont consider this forum a reliable or rational place where opinions are concerned most of the time so i try to let people have their opinion and dont crucify everyone who aint as good a typer as me. so please, tell everyone what is worth posting and what is not so we may be sure to adhere more closely to your standards in the future. seriously, why so serious?

and my opinion is worth something to me and anyone else who agrees with it. just because i don't feel the need to always back myself up does not make my opinion arbitrary or worthless. i come from the school of thought that if you feel the need to constantly explain yourself (or have everything explained to you) you are either a simpleton, you like talking too much, or you have superiority complex or some other serious social disorder. i dont think you are a simpleton.

i dont post my opinions to convince anyone of anything. sometimes i do post to counter an argument (although i dont really argue with opinions so much but i have been known to point out factually incorrect information) and sometimes i post to let a fellow poster know i dig what they are saying or i think its bunk.

if my post results in agreement thats great. if it results in disagreement thats ok too but i'm not going to lose sleep if my argument fails to be convincing. besides more talk on these boards seldom results in an understanding but rather leads to increasingly heated arguments over minor details. i have little interest in that anymore. arguing with uptight, anal retentive, and seemingly joyless children has lost its luster unfortunately. i post because i have something to say, meaningful or pointless? certainly not for your edification and certainly not for the sake of approval from the peanut gallery groupthink.

and yes i realize the irony of this long winded post, thank you for pointing it out.

 

[xero1186]

Every time I come on these boards I see someone getting into it with Saint, lol.

I think his more formal approach to writing (which there's nothing wrong with) causes people to feel uncomfortable here because it's a laid back place.


and furthermore,
I have to agree that I'm not a fan of that manip. I'm really liking the way Bats looks in BGK. Some of those interpretations are the good stuff!

EDIT: I was trying to say I like the gray in his costume. I wish they would do some more gray in a live action costume.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

I wasn't a fan of the suit in the beginning, I thought he looked way to small. I liked the old suit and his old size where he looked a bit more powerful, like he could just break you. It was very Frank Miller as most of Nolan's stuff is. However this new suit and look has grown on me. That high tech design business is very pleasing, in a way this suit looks more stylish than the last one. It also has that sense of progression to it, which is what I love about Nolan's approach; he makes the world feel alive by adding consistency between the films.

 

[Saint]

because this board is one big competition right?

not everyone is on these boards to prove everyone wrong, convince anyone of anything, and win win win, saint ole pal. some are actually looking for info, camraderie, and hype. but it seems to be working for you, so keep it up i say.


and btw, that manip is poorly executed and does nothing to support your statement about its feasabilty as a batsuit. and no i wont explain why as it is plainly obvious.



because you should only post if its what?...convincing? worthwhile? worthy of the public record that is the hype? and to whom should it be worthwhile?

i guess i just dont consider this forum a reliable or rational place where opinions are concerned most of the time so i try to let people have their opinion and dont crucify everyone who aint as good a typer as me. so please, tell everyone what is worth posting and what is not so we may be sure to adhere more closely to your standards in the future. seriously, why so serious?

and my opinion is worth something to me and anyone else who agrees with it. just because i don't feel the need to always back myself up does not make my opinion arbitrary or worthless. i come from the school of thought that if you feel the need to constantly explain yourself (or have everything explained to you) you are either a simpleton, you like talking too much, or you have superiority complex or some other serious social disorder. i dont think you are a simpleton.

i dont post my opinions to convince anyone of anything. sometimes i do post to counter an argument (although i dont really argue with opinions so much but i have been known to point out factually incorrect information) and sometimes i post to let a fellow poster know i dig what they are saying or i think its bunk.

if my post results in agreement thats great. if it results in disagreement thats ok too but i'm not going to lose sleep if my argument fails to be convincing. besides more talk on these boards seldom results in an understanding but rather leads to increasingly heated arguments over minor details. i have little interest in that anymore. arguing with uptight, anal retentive, and seemingly joyless children has lost its luster unfortunately. i post because i have something to say, meaningful or pointless? certainly not for your edification and certainly not for the sake of approval from the peanut gallery groupthink.

and yes i realize the irony of this long winded post, thank you for pointing it out.

I think perhaps you should re-examine our discussion.

You made a statement, and I asked you to explain it. This is not unreasonable, but as usual, you decided to make it about me, responding instead that "I'm not like you Saint, I don't need to explain everything!"

I explained why I feel that doesn't make sense in a debate environment, such as this one, or in any discussion where ideas are being exchanged (which is to say, most discussions), because ideas can't exist in a void. The idea or opinion that isn't supported is not useful, by the same token that saying "Purple socks are immoral" is worthless until one explains how.

Again, I'm confused as to where my response was unreasonable, but again, instead of simply continuing with the discussion at hand, you've again decided to make it about me. You respond: "Stupid Saint, I'm not so uptight and anal as you! You're just a big internet tought guy! I'm going to pretend to attack people for their typing! Look out, Saint is on a rampage again: he asked me to explain something! He's so unreasonable! When you asked me to explain myself, you were crucifying me! Boo hoo!"

Yes, I suppose I should have expected as much when I dared ask for elaboration. Such is the routine: "Saint 2 serious," "Saint post r 2 longs," "SAINT ARGUES 2 HARD!!1" Boo hoo. How unfortunate for you, eh? What harsdships you must endure, reading my request for an explanation. Poor Deathfromabove, poor In Flames, and all the rest. How painful it must be to have someone request that you actually account for the things you say. It must be so trying. How awful of me, to put you through these terrible trials.

Oh dear, I see my error now: when you made a statement against one of my posts, it was unreasonable of me to respond. When you made a claim about the subject we were discussing, it was unreasonable of me to ask for an explanation. Yes, truly, it was foolish of me to expect that someone entering a discussing forum would be prepared to deal with the responses to his words. Damn! Why did I tempt fate? I reached for the stars, and have paid! Oh! Such a terrible thing I have unleashed; how twisted your panties must now be--so twisted, I can only imagine they are now unrecognizable! I will pay forever for the twisted panties of Deathfromabove!

Sigh. Yes, apparently I am the juvenile one. You're welcome to make all the worthless claims you like, but please, save yourself the trouble of getting your panties in a wad when I ask you to explain yourself. I'm really not bothered by the awful hardships such a request imposes.

Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like, if only you people could dedicate as much time to making cogent counterpoints, as you do to weeping and complaining about me. I suppose the latter is less taxing for you.

 

[Saint]

Every time I come on these boards I see someone getting into it with Saint, lol.

I think his more formal approach to writing (which there's nothing wrong with) causes people to feel uncomfortable here because it's a laid back place.


and furthermore,
I have to agree that I'm not a fan of that manip. I'm really liking the way Bats looks in BGK. Some of those interpretations are the good stuff!

EDIT: I was trying to say I like the gray in his costume. I wish they would do some more gray in a live action costume.

Which particular BGK design do you like? I ask because I really like the one with the tall collar (where bruce Wayne looks like a girl, haha), and everybody thinks I'm crazy. I'm trying to figure out if I'm the only one.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Which particular BGK design do you like? I ask because I really like the one with the tall collar (where bruce Wayne looks like a girl, haha), and everybody thinks I'm crazy. I'm trying to figure out if I'm the only one.

Do you really expect a reply saying anything other than "you're crazy?" I mean, completely regardless of the topic at hand, when you leave the door wide open like that... lol

 

[deathfromabove]

I think perhaps you should re-examine our discussion.

You made a statement, and I asked you to explain it. This is not unreasonable, but as usual, you decided to make it about me, responding instead that "I'm not like you Saint, I don't need to explain everything!"

I explained why I feel that doesn't make sense in a debate environment, such as this one, or in any discussion where ideas are being exchanged (which is to say, most discussions), because ideas can't exist in a void. The idea or opinion that isn't supported is not useful, by the same token that saying "Purple socks are immoral" is worthless until one explains how.

Again, I'm confused as to where my response was unreasonable, but again, instead of simply continuing with the discussion at hand, you've again decided to make it about me. You respond: "Stupid Saint, I'm not so uptight and anal as you! You're just a big internet tought guy! I'm going to pretend to attack people for their typing! Look out, Saint is on a rampage again: he asked me to explain something! He's so unreasonable! When you asked me to explain myself, you were crucifying me! Boo hoo!"

Yes, I suppose I should have expected as much when I dared ask for elaboration. Such is the routine: "Saint 2 serious," "Saint post r 2 longs," "SAINT ARGUES 2 HARD!!1" Boo hoo. How unfortunate for you, eh? What harsdships you must endure, reading my request for an explanation. Poor Deathfromabove, poor In Flames, and all the rest. How painful it must be to have someone request that you actually account for the things you say. It must be so trying. How awful of me, to put you through these terrible trials.

Oh dear, I see my error now: when you made a statement against one of my posts, it was unreasonable of me to respond. When you made a claim about the subject we were discussing, it was unreasonable of me to ask for an explanation. Yes, truly, it was foolish of me to expect that someone entering a discussing forum would be prepared to deal with the responses to his words. Damn! Why did I tempt fate? I reached for the stars, and have paid! Oh! Such a terrible thing I have unleashed; how twisted your panties must now be--so twisted, I can only imagine they are now unrecognizable! I will pay forever for the twisted panties of Deathfromabove!

Sigh. Yes, apparently I am the juvenile one. You're welcome to make all the worthless claims you like, but please, save yourself the trouble of getting your panties in a wad when I ask you to explain yourself. I'm really not bothered by the awful hardships such a request imposes.

Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like, if only you people could dedicate as much time to making cogent counterpoints, as you do to weeping and complaining about me. I suppose the latter is less taxing for you.

whose panties are in a bunch? lighten up man.

what i take issue with is you constantly telling everyone how to act, how to respond, how to argue. get over yourself.

responding to your posts in the manner in which you want is not taxing. its not something i feel is always worth the effort. you are at times, a boring, long winded, and wholly unenjoyable conversationalist and i find it more worthy of my time to type what i want to say as opposed to what you want to hear. half the time you arent even even arguing a position but rather telling everyone how to argue and picking apart some poor kids words. like i said man if thats how you get your joy im not going to stop you. i'm just not going to always participate. dig?

it certainly isnt becuase you "argue to hard" or use big words (??? um, not so much). it seems to me you often take a very long time to say very little. unlike everyone else on these boards i am not intimidated or often impressed by your vocab and i'm equally unmoved by your "woe is me, everyone thinks i argue too hard" line.

"oh everyone doesnt like arguing with me cause im too smart"

when you have something worthwhile to say i read it completely, usually twice. you add much more to this board than most. when you are an overanalytical weirdo i tune you out.

and i'm sorry i didnt want to discuss your bad manip any further. next time pal.

oh, and for the record my post wasnt "about you". it was about me and why i responded the way i did. egomaniac.

 

[xero1186]

If you're talking about this one then you're flying solo, 'cause its the only one I don't care too much for.

This is the one I like most.

 

[Saint]

whose panties are in a bunch? lighten up man.

I'm perfectly light. I enjoyed elaborating on just how ridiculous your responses to me have been.

what i take issue with is you constantly telling everyone how to act, how to respond, how to argue. get over yourself.

I can't tell anyone to do anything. All I do is hold other arguments to my own standards. That means that, sometimes, I'm going to tell you that your argument doesn't fly, and that if you want it to fly, you should explain it. If this seems unreasonable to you, if that bothers you, boo hoo. How unfortunate.

responding to your posts in the manner in which you want is not taxing. its not something i feel is always worth the effort. you are at times, a boring, long winded, and wholly unenjoyable conversationalist and i find it more worthy of my time to type what i want to say as opposed to what you want to hear.

I know. In fact, that is always the case. Every argument we have, you find it preferable to weep and sob about me, rather than actually have the discussion. No, apparently, to you, the reasonable response when my debates surpass your standard for worthwhileness is to start rambling about how you don't like me because I do this or that. Apparently this is your solution to conversations you do not like. Seems fairly ridiculous. How sad that you can't overcome your silly vendetta

half the time you arent even even arguing a position but rather telling everyone how to argue and picking apart some poor kids words. like i said man if thats how you get your joy im not going to stop you. i'm just not going to always participate. dig?

Bull: I'm always arguing a position. You think I'm picking apart something irrelevant because you're too busy thinking "Grr, Saint is so stupid!" to actually bother understanding what is happening. If I'm picking something apart, it's because A) it has a larger relevancy to the issue, or B) is a worthy issue on it's own. If it doesn't satisfy your standards for relevancy, awesome! You don't have to get involved. If you decide that warrants complaining about me, then you should be prepared to have your posts ripped to shreds. Of course, you never are prepared, since you then opt to complain that I'm ripping your posts to shreds.

Even a dog knows not to stick it's nose where it hurts.

it certainly isnt becuase you "argue to hard" or use big words

Whoops! You forgot to read my post, since it says nothing about my use of words. The only mention of words is in my signature, which is a reference to the multitude of posters who have complained about my vocabulary.

it seems to me you often take a very long time to say very little.

I am not bothered if you think I am saying "very little." This says more of your ability to understand than my ability to communicate. I am interested in precision, because the internet is where misunderstandings live. If this somehow pains you, again: boo hoo. How very unfortunate.

unlike everyone else on these boards i am not intimidated or often impressed by your vocab and i'm equally unmoved by your "woe is me, everyone thinks i argue too hard" line.

Likewise, I am not swayed by your "I'm above you Saint," nonsense, nor am I affected by your weeping, sobbing, or misguided attempts to make me look like a pseudo-intellectual bully. Similarly, I am not impressed by your dedication to turning every discussion I have into your soap box for telling everyone how I'm, apparently, not as great as I think I am.

I am also not impressed by your routine display where you weep, you sob, you moan, you complain, you act as if you're just too good to have our discussion, and you do everything you can except actually discuss the issue. You do everything but actually have the argument.

If I told you what I really thought about that, well, my stay at the Hype would be over. So, I won't.

"oh everyone doesnt like arguing with me cause im too smart"

I don't care if they like arguing with me or not. Everyone is welcome to not argue with me. My problem is when you get into an argument with me and then are stupid enough to complain about it.

when you have something worthwhile to say i read it completely, usually twice. you add much more to this board than most. when you are an overanalytical weirdo i tune you out.

and i'm sorry i didnt want to discuss your bad manip any further. next time pal.

oh, and for the record my post wasnt "about you". it was about me and why i responded the way i did. egomaniac.

You're a terrible liar.

 

[deathfromabove]

Which particular BGK design do you like? I ask because I really like the one with the tall collar (where bruce Wayne looks like a girl, haha), and everybody thinks I'm crazy. I'm trying to figure out if I'm the only one.

i like quite a bit. reminds me of battle of the planets.

If you're talking about this one then you're flying solo, 'cause its the only one I don't care too much for.

This is the one I like most.

i like them both. the second mignola esq one looks great.

 

[The Caped Knight]

The new shot of The Batsuit & the cowl from The new tv spot #6 .

Kicks Mega Ass IMO .

 

[deathfromabove]

I'm perfectly light. I enjoyed elaborating on just how ridiculous your responses to me have been.


I can't tell anyone to do anything. All I do is hold other arguments to my own standards. That means that, sometimes, I'm going to tell you that your argument doesn't fly, and that if you want it to fly, you should explain it. If this seems unreasonable to you, if that bothers you, boo hoo. How unfortunate.

boo hoo indeed. saint doesnt like it when people dont play the way he wants. im not the one crying here man. maybe i'm just not interested in whether or not you think my point "flys" with you. you are aware that other people can read our convo right?

I know. In fact, that is always the case. Every argument we have, you find it preferable to weep and sob about me, rather than actually have the discussion. No, apparently, to you, the reasonable response when my debates surpass your standard for worthwhileness is to start rambling about how you don't like me because I do this or that. Apparently this is your solution to conversations you do not like. Seems fairly ridiculous. How sad that you can't overcome your silly vendetta

you started all this by telling me how worthless my posts were. i then defended myself and my opinion. against my better judgement. since you seem to be sufrering from selective reading tonight go back a page and look. i have no vendetta and no personal beef with you but am only responding directly to your words.

i answered your post first and addressed the topic at hand and then proceeded to tell you why i dont feel i should have to explain everything that comes out of my mouth to your standards. you clearly didnt like that and then procedded to talk about how i ignored the current topic and got my panties in a bunch. but i responded to the topic at hand first. go look.

Bull: I'm always arguing a position. You think I'm picking apart something irrelevant because you're too busy thinking "Grr, Saint is so stupid!" to actually bother understanding what is happening. If I'm picking something apart, it's because A) it has a larger relevancy to the issue, or B) is a worthy issue on it's own. If it doesn't satisfy your standards for relevancy, awesome! You don't have to get involved. If you decide that warrants complaining about me, then you should be prepared to have your posts ripped to shreds. Of course, you never are prepared, since you then opt to complain that I'm ripping your posts to shreds.

i see no shreds of any posts. please illuminate them for me.

Even a dog knows not to stick it's nose where it hurts.

huh? oh more "saint spanks! saint wins" right?

Whoops! You forgot to read my post, since it says nothing about my use of words. The only mention of words is in my signature, which is a reference to the multitude of posters who have complained about my vocabulary.

i was actually referring to that very thing. others opinions of your vocabulary. slow down and re read what i said in context.

I am not bothered if you think I am saying "very little." This says more of your ability to understand than my ability to communicate. I am interested in precision, because the internet is where misunderstandings live. If this somehow pains you, again: boo hoo. How very unfortunate.

does not pain me. again you are overestimating the effect you have on my mood. im not crying.

[/quote]
Likewise, I am not swayed by your "I'm above you Saint," nonsense, nor am I affected by your weeping, sobbing, or misguided attempts to make me look like a pseudo-intellectual bully. Similarly, I am not impressed by your dedication to turning every discussion I have into your soap box for telling everyone how I'm, apparently, not as great as I think I am.[/quote]

i never said i was above anyone. thats your bag. look no further than your sig. i am not sobbing. i was directly respnding to what you said. first, about your batsuit suggestions and then about what you said about me and how i express myself. i was defending myself. sorry for standing up to you.

I am also not impressed by your routine display where you weep, you sob, you moan, you complain, you act as if you're just too good to have our discussion, and you do everything you can except actually discuss the issue. You do everything but actually have the argument.

again im not sobbing here. i answered your post. every part of it.

If I told you what I really thought about that, well, my stay at the Hype would be over. So, I won't.

says the non internet tough guy.

I don't care if they like arguing with me or not. Everyone is welcome to not argue with me. My problem is when you get into an argument with me and then are stupid enough to complain about it.

good point actually. but too bad. looks like its going to have to be your problem. i will do as i wish.

You're a terrible liar.

im not a liar. and stop calling me stupid. sanit can say what he wants and thats ok but if i dare respond its the end of the world. but dont call me stupid. and stop whining like a little kid. i defended myself when you suggested my posts were worthless. you attacked me first and then have the balls to act like you are under attack.

 

[Saint]

boo hoo indeed. saint doesnt like it when people dont play the way he wants.

Actually, what I don't like is when they refuse to play, and attempt to justify it by weeping about my manner. Play however you like, but expect the appropriate response.

you are aware that other people can read our convo right?

Certainly. When one comments on my character in public, I make a point of addressing it publicly.

you started all this by telling me how worthless my posts were.

Actually, I didn't. You made a claim, and when I asked for an explanation, you expressed that, unlike me, you don't feel it is necessary to explain one's opinion all the time. I explained that I feel it is necessary, because if one does not explain it, it is worthless. This was not an accusation, it was a response to your claim that justification of opinions is not necessary. If you feel it was an insult, you obviously need to re-read it, minus your personal vendetta. I also specified very clearly that you probably understand this principle, since you then went on to give me the explanation I asked for.

You then replied to my response by twisting your panties into oblivion.

I understand that you were too busy trying to make me look foolish to actually read and understand what was being said. I will provide an example by which you can determine, in the future, which posts are attacks, and which are not: that post wasn't an attack. This one is.

i have no vendetta and no personal beef with you but am only responding directly to your words.

Such intellectual dishonesty.

i answered your post first and addressed the topic at hand and then proceeded to tell you why i dont feel i should have to explain everything that comes out of my mouth to your standards.

Outright lie: when I asked for explanation, your very first line, following your quote of me, was "i don't have to explain myself. unlike yourself i do not feel it necessary that every opinion be explained as nasuem." You are welcome to look, here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15098945&postcount=6802

In the paragraph after that, you made you explanation. In my reply, Iresponded 1) to your comment about the necessity of explanation, and then 2) to your explanation. You can see that here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15099070&postcount=6804

You then decided to get your panties in a bunch over my clarification of why I feel explanation is important, and you've been weeping ever since.

i see no shreds of any posts. please illuminate them for me.

Yes, we have established that you're not really reading what is being said, so I am unsurprised that you're missing it.

huh? oh more "saint spanks! saint wins" right?

Hardly: a commentary on your explanation that you don't care for my posts, and therefore don't participate--yet, you do, in fact, participate, consistently. Hence: you are deliberately involving yourself in something you say don't want to involve yourself in. You're sticking your nose where it hurts.

does not pain me. again you are overestimating the effect you have on my mood. im not crying.

You prefer the term whining? Moaning? I'm sure I can think of others, if those aren't to your liking.

i never said i was above anyone.

It drips from your posts, and you know it. In fact, after this sentence you immediately go on to say "That's your bag," with the obvious implication that you're better than that. Sadly, you are not: each of your replies has illustrated as much.

again im not sobbing here. i answered your post. every part of it.

Correct; you answered it with sobbing.

good point actually. but too bad. looks like its going to have to be your problem. i will do as i wish.

Yes, and you will foolishly complain when I respond appropriately.

im not a liar. and stop calling me stupid. sanit can say what he wants and thats ok but if i dare respond its the end of the world.

Actually, the problem isn't that you responded: it's that your responses were ridiculous. See my previous posts for why.

but dont call me stupid.

Why? You apparently have no qualms about attacking my character. The difference is that I'm only responding in kind, whereas you decided to start weeping about me being and anal retentive child after I gave a simple and non-offensive response to your comments.

and stop whining like a little kid. i defended myself when you suggested my posts were worthless.

No, you balled when I clarified why I think explanation is important. Boo hoo.

you attacked me first and then have the balls to act like you are under attack.

Your revisionary memory rivals 1984.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Guys, as much entertainment as this has been, why dont you take it to the lounge or over PMs?

 

[deathfromabove]

so whats goin on in here?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Guys, as much entertainment as this has been, why dont you take it to the lounge or over PMs?

Well that would make it less entertaining