The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

WOW were comparing the cowl to a frickin basketball player, what has the world come to.

 

[CaptainClown]

Any lines in the eye/cheek area on that guy's face (and ANY guy's face) are going in the exact oppose direction as the ridges I'm talking about - the go from the inner eye to the outer cheek, not the outer eye to the nose.

Find me a picture of a person with a hard, defined ridge going from their outer eye to their nose, and I'll show you a picture of a physiological freak.

I'm not talking about the line I am talking about the cheek bones that was brought up.

 

[millennium movies]

I'm surprised we haven't seen the half naked bodybuilder pictures here yet.
I need a little help here, does anyone remember that site that hosted the huge 20 something leaked TDK images?

 

[lujho]

Yeah thats what i was talking about. They made the cowl a lot bulkier by making a helmet. That space there had to be filled with something or it would look like he is brick-man.

So they gave him an exaggerated facial expresion. Its supposed to portray anger.

Well, it looks crap and has nothing to do with looking angry. They should simply have exaggerated Bale's natural, badass looking bone structure.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Well assuming there's even anything wrong with that at all, what I'm talking about by the very nature of adding a layer of rubber to the face will disguise the actor enough. The Demonbats cowl had more natural human features (I'm not talking about the wrinkles, just the basic face shape)than the actual cowl and that wasn't any more recognizeable as Bale. And it didn't have those stupid nose ridges.

well the demon Batman was meant to look (for the most part) organic while Batman's suit obviously isn't organic. the actual suit can get away with that line on his cheek because his mask wasn't meant to move. however, when you apply prosthetics, it's meant to move...hence why they didn't add the line connecting to the bottom of his nose for demon Batman.

while i think the suit should be more organic, it's still a suit...which is why i don't have a problem with the liberties they have taken so far.

Well, that's not what I'm talking about. The Begins cowl, and to a lesser extent the new one, have a bunch or weird geometric features that alter the face far in excess of what I'm talking about, or ever has been shown in the comics.

what???? ALL of the movie suits had features that were never shown in the comics up until then. up until Burton's Batman, none of the comics portrayed Batman in an all black suit rubber suit. Burton's suits are as different from the comics as Nolan's is. i'm all for sticking to the source material as much as possible but just because the movie version doesn't match exactly what the comic versions look like doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

 

[lujho]

I'm not talking about the line I am talking about the cheek bones that was brought up.

Sorry, my comments were aimed more at Sandouras - those pics just illustrate how that part of the cowl does NOT represent any natural facial characteristic - even an exaggerated one.

 

[lujho]

well the demon Batman was meant to look (for the most part) organic while Batman's suit obviously isn't organic. the actual suit can get away with that line on his cheek because his mask wasn't meant to move. however, when you apply prosthetics, it's meant to move...hence why they didn't add the line connecting to the bottom of his nose for demon Batman.

Yeah, and it looked good, it didn't suffer any from not having that line, didn't need it and neither did the actual cowl.

what???? ALL of the movie suits had features that were never shown in the comics up until then. up until Burton's Batman, none of the comics portrayed Batman in an all black suit rubber suit. Burton's suits are as different from the comics as Nolan's is. i'm all for sticking to the source material as much as possible but just because the movie version doesn't match exactly what the comic versions look like doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Yeah, well, like I said, sometimes they are. Sometimes deviations from the source look bad simply because they look bad, not because they are different. And the features I'm talking about are ones that simply make the cowl look really bad, a lot of the time simply because of the shape the are or the way light bounces off them. They're why the cowls look weird or "birdlike" in the "bad" shots of them, and the "good" shots usually look good because the weird facial features aren't apparent.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Well the cowl is a frickin helmet, not really a cowl am I right?

 

[DorkyFresh]

well...just because you think that they look bad doesn't mean they actually are. it's not like most of the fans are complaining about Batman's cheeks. you thinking that something looks bad doesn't necessarily mean it's bad design (like you said it was a few posts back). bad design is RANDOM design. the line of protrusion on his cheeks start in the same area his cheeks do and end at the bottom of the nose because those are where his nostrils are. there's logic behind that design...so it's not BAD design. BAD design is when it's random and there's no thought behind it. i'm not saying you think of everything in absolutes, but it seems like your coming off as trying to make the cheek lines a design flaw when really it's just a personal problem.


anyway, i never really thought his mask looked bad in any shots anyway. the only problem i ever had with his cowl is the general shape. in BB his JAW and neck were too wide and in TDK it's egg-shaped. i've never seen a shot where the FACE of the cowl looked bad.

 

[lujho]

Well it's never been a cowl, actually. A cowl is a big, loose hood, like a Monk wears.

What matters sin't what it's called, it's what it looks like. The TDK mask is the first one you could truly call a helmet - but a helmet could look different from that too.

 

[lujho]

well...just because you think that they look bad doesn't mean they actually are. it's not like most of the fans are complaining about Batman's cheeks. you thinking that something looks bad doesn't necessarily mean it's bad design (like you said it was a few posts back). bad design is RANDOM design. the line of protrusion on his cheeks start in the same area his cheeks do and end at the bottom of the nose because those are where his nostrils are. there's logic behind that design...so it's not BAD design. BAD design is when it's random and there's no thought behind it. i'm not saying you think of everything in absolutes, but it seems like your coming off as trying to make the cheek lines a design flaw when really it's just a personal problem.


anyway, i never really thought his mask looked bad in any shots anyway. the only problem i ever had with his cowl is the general shape. in BB his JAW and neck were too wide and in TDK it's egg-shaped. i've never seen a shot where the FACE of the cowl looked bad.

Look, thise nose-ridge thing, I'm not saying it's some huge gigantic flaw that ALWAYS makes the cowl look bad. And I think the huge jaw and neck are far greater problems.

But I think the face - the actual face and not just the cowl shape, looks bad here, and elsewhere (like the front-on pic of the TDK cowl a few pages back). It's because of that ridge, the way it causes a dark area under it and a light area above it, it just looks weird and wrong, and getting rid of it would do nothing but good, IMO.

 

[DorkyFresh]

while i disagree...i understand and respect your opinion. to be honest, i would've changed it up a bit but it would have been very similar.

 

[Leon the Professional]

Maybe there's something we're not understanding. Maybe somehow the cowl/neck are going to look great in the movie. I don't know how, but I just can't believe that Nolan/Bale/Pfister/etc. either can't see how bad it looks or don't care how bad it looks. This is completely different from the suit design. Even if you dislike it's design, you can't argue that it makes Batman look weak. But this cowl/neck, at least from certain angles, makes Batman look weak as hell. I mean, they've slimmed down the jaw and neck, the two aspects that should have the strongest features. I get the need for added neck mobility, but it has to be this slim in order to make a difference? It couldn't be separate from the cowl and segmented but thicker? I don't understand.

I remember Bale in an interview for Begins saying how he loved that the cowl gave him this great powerful neck like a panther. Yet he went along with this for TDK?

 

[lujho]

I don't think the neck is too thin from the front. But in profile it does look too thin, and the back of the neck could have been built up a bit I think.

I don't think the neck has to be so thin to benefit from the added mobility that separating it from the cowl brings. The new mobility is that he can TWIST his head - that comes from the cowl being separate, not the neck being thinner.

 

[Loneranger]

Bootlegged Dent speech!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0tQoVSBNBXQ&feature=related

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Well it's never been a cowl, actually. A cowl is a big, loose hood, like a Monk wears.

What matters sin't what it's called, it's what it looks like. The TDK mask is the first one you could truly call a helmet - but a helmet could look different from that too.

I see what you mean, but in different aspects all the others are definitly more "cowl-like" than TDK one.

 

[the_monk]

The introduction of Andre Kirilenko into this thread just took it to a whole new level of ridiculousness.

Who's next? Dikembe Mutumbo?

 

[Superhobo]

Look, thise nose-ridge thing, I'm not saying it's some huge gigantic flaw that ALWAYS makes the cowl look bad. And I think the huge jaw and neck are far greater problems.

But I think the face - the actual face and not just the cowl shape, looks bad here, and elsewhere (like the front-on pic of the TDK cowl a few pages back). It's because of that ridge, the way it causes a dark area under it and a light area above it, it just looks weird and wrong, and getting rid of it would do nothing but good, IMO.

He runs like a Welshman, doesn't he? Doesn't he run like a Welshman?

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The introduction of Andre Kirilenko into this thread just took it to a whole new level of ridiculousness.

Who's next? Dikembe Mutumbo?

theres no need for that GARBAGE in this thread!

 

[the_monk]

"Dikembe Mutumbo...grew up in Africa."

- George W. Bush

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[capt. slaughter]

The introduction of Andre Kirilenko into this thread just took it to a whole new level of ridiculousness.

Who's next? Dikembe Mutumbo?

i was thinking yao ming might be next or maybe switch to football and go with ocho cinco

 

[the_monk]

Please, don't even mention ocho cinco. His head grows every time his name is spoken.

 

[CaptainClown]

The introduction of Andre Kirilenko into this thread just took it to a whole new level of ridiculousness.

Who's next? Dikembe Mutumbo?

Have you seen his bone structure? sheesh his face should be the next cowl.

 

[the_monk]

Have you seen his bone structure? sheesh his face should be the next cowl.

Ok, we can send Hannibal Lecter to steal his face.

 

[Superhobo]

I love how, with one-tenth the budget that "The Dark Knight" has, Bat In The Sun's short films have the better suits. It's mind-boggling.