The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Superhobo]

What's easier to take off:

A vest?

Or pulling a long sleeve shirt over your head?

I'm just wondering where you're getting that the suit functions like a vest.

 

[batman11]

I'm just wondering where you're getting that the suit functions like a vest.

I'm not getting it from anywhere. I came up with a spur of the moment, quick reason as to why the chest is possibly constructed of two pieces, and apparently people are thinking that I'm actually pitching this as a real idea.

 

[Saint]

What's easier to take off:

A vest?

Or pulling a long sleeve shirt over your head?

Again: how does an extra V-plate make it easier to take off? How does it make it like a vest? Look at the damn thing. The V plate has no seam; it will not open down the middle. And even if the chest plate was supposed to open down the middle (like a vest), slapping a stupid v-plate on top of that would not magically make it easier to open. The v-plate has no function; it's just ugly.

 

[nickyg641]

If anything, it seems like this costume would be harder to get on and off of Bale than the last, considering all of the segments and things that look like they need to be strapped on.

 

[Reflectionist]

"That suit looks stupid; I keep expecting Batman to turn into a truck."

Why haven't I heard this argument yet?

 

[Saint]

If anything, it seems like this costume would be harder to get on and off of Bale than the last, considering all of the segments and things that look like they need to be strapped on.

In the end, trying to justify it's appearance by saying "Oh, maybe it has a functional purpose!" is just nonsense, because function doesn't necessitate these design choices. If these (theoretical and probably non-existent) functions are necessary, there's no reason they couldn't be designed in a better way, and a way more appropriate to Batman. There's no excuse.

I especially enjoy the "His legs are segmented for movement" argument. If it was for movement, the legs would be segmented at joints, areas of stress or buckling, and that's it. Adding a bunch of random lines won't make it any more mobile than that: it's just useless visual garbage, as I've said in the past. The same goes for the v-plate. No purpose, just ugly.

 

[nickyg641]

In the end, trying to justify it's appearance by saying "Oh, maybe it has a functional purpose!" is just nonsense, because function doesn't necessitate these design choices. If these (theoretical and probably non-existent) functions are necessary, there's no reason they couldn't be designed in a better way, and a way more appropriate to Batman. There's no excuse.

I especially enjoy the "His legs are segmented for movement" argument. If it was for movement, the legs would be segmented at joints, areas of stress or buckling, and that's it. Adding a bunch of random lines won't make it any more mobile than that: it's just useless visual garbage, as I've said in the past. The same goes for the v-plate. No purpose, just ugly.

I agree. Although I've come to like the new suit more, when I look at it...I don't really see the Batman of the comics, the Batman we know and love. The suit has the basics: ears, a cape, a symbol. Take the ears away and you'd never even guess it was Batman.

 

[Kaizer]

why do we get a suit design like the one in TDK?

Cause people have been complaining about this for years:

When in reality, that one is basically this painted black:

nobody wins.

 

[Saint]

why do we get a suit design like the one in TDK?

Cause people have been complaining about this for years:

People rarely complain about the design of the 89 suit, they complain about the execution. It's problems are all technical. A costume of comparable design made with todays updated costuming techniques allowing for mobility and a more refined appearance would be extremely well received, I think. I personally prefer subtler, natural looking musculature, but nevertheless.

And, contrary to popular belief, there are costume designs that can please everyone, for the most part. A couple of Bunk's concepts have been liked by nearly everyone.

 

[Kaizer]

A couple of Bunk's concepts have been liked by nearly everyone.

....on this board, we don't make up the majority of the movie-going public. I'm not trying do defend anything, but there are lots of things to take into consideration that doesn't take place within the four walls of the SHH boards.

 

[Crook]

The general public....doesn't care. The only thing the movie makers have to worry about is not making the suit look ridiculous. Otherwise, they're on safe grounds.

 

[donk70]

Is anybody elese having a problem with the cowl? I'm not liking the nose.

 

[Kaizer]

Is anybody elese having a problem with the cowl? I'm not liking the nose.

nope, everybody likes it, just check the thread.

 

[donk70]

nope, everybody likes it, just check the thread.

Then it's a sad, sad world

 

[Saint]

....on this board, we don't make up the majority of the movie-going public. I'm not trying do defend anything, but there are lots of things to take into consideration that doesn't take place within the four walls of the SHH boards.

Naturally, but, as Crook pointed out, the general public does not care. They've accepted everything the Burton suits to the Spider-Man pseudo-spandex to the X-leather to the Power Ranger Green Goblin. And, of course, they have no problem swallowing equally radical costumes or concepts appearing in non-comic films.

Generally, people on here like to say that the public won't accept this or that, but the truth is they'll accept anything, so long as it's sold to them properly.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Naturally, but, as Crook pointed out, the general public does not care. They've accepted everything the Burton suits to the Spider-Man pseudo-spandex to the X-leather to the Power Ranger Green Goblin. And, of course, they have no problem swallowing equally radical costumes or concepts appearing in non-comic films.

Generally, people on here like to say that the public won't accept this or that, but the truth is they'll accept anything, so long as it's sold to them properly.

True... Batmans appeal is too massive, he's so beyond those who actually read the comic books now. It's like coca-cola. Everyone knows what it is, even if they don't drink it.

So you can make just about any kind of costume, as long as it's *mostly* black and you call him "Batman" people will go see it.

 

[Saint]

True... Batmans appeal is too massive, he's so beyond those who actually read the comic books now. It's like coca-cola. Everyone knows what it is, even if they don't drink it.

So you can make just about any kind of costume, as long as it's *mostly* black and you call him "Batman" people will go see it.

Doesn't matter if it's black, and it's not a phenomenon exclusive to Batman. A lot of we geeks like to think the public is really unforgiving about this stuff, but they're not. They don't sit in theatres saying "Grey Batman is silly!" or "Daredevil's leather costume isn't armoured enough!" They don't complain that the people in Star Trek are supposedly military personnel, but dress in plain jumpsuits and don't act at all like soldiers--even the security ones! They don't walk out of theatres because a silver guy on a flying surfboard is ridiculous. They don't care that the ending of "Street Kings" is totally outlandish.

They just don't care. They are as capable of suspending disbelief as any of us, and in fact more so, because unlike us fans, they do not over-analyze everything. Any base explanation will satisfy them. They will accept any concept that is sold properly within the film.

 

[Kaizer]

Then it's a sad, sad world

I take it I should have

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[HUMANIMAL]

as for porpuse the suit may have or not....
they explained it begins and im sure there gonna explain it in tdk too, why he chooses it...
in B&R they just getnew suits but without explanation or reason...
that was actually my main point on the purpose thing ...we can only guess why exactly...
and guessing is interesting
but only to slag it off because of own tastes remains unconvincing for others cause its personal taste...to explain it why we like or dont like it is ok but then it should get to an endpoint somehow....
so lets just guess ....

 

[Eggyman]

as for porpuse the suit may have or not....
they explained it begins and im sure there gonna explain it in tdk too, why he chooses it...
in B&R they just getnew suits but without explanation or reason...
that was actually my main point on the purpose thing ...we can only guess why exactly...
and guessing is interesting
but only to slag it off because of own tastes remains unconvincing for others cause its personal taste...to explain it why we like or dont like it is ok but then it should get to an endpoint somehow....
so lets just guess ....

I think that's a sure thing. They said early on that the changing of the suit ties into the plot somehow.

 

[Kaizer]

I think that's a sure thing. They said early on that the changing of the suit ties into the plot somehow.

In the TV-spot Bruce asks Fox for a new suit, so we know we'll at least get something... my guess; it's a prototype for a better suit that Fox has been working on in secret (which could lead to a better looking version of it in the next movie) very Forever, I know, but anyway, I don't think Bruce is going to go to Fox, ask him for a suit, then put batman on hold for a couple of weeks while Fox designs and builds a new suit, it's gotta be there already.

 

[Eggyman]

In the TV-spot Bruce asks Fox for a new suit, so we know we'll at least get something... my guess; it's a prototype for a better suit that Fox has been working on in secret (which could lead to a better looking version of it in the next movie) very Forever, I know, but anyway, I don't think Bruce is going to go to Fox, ask him for a suit, then put batman on hold for a couple of weeks while Fox designs and builds a new suit, it's gotta be there already.

For sure.

'People are dying, what would you have me do?'

'Go to the dry cleaners, Mastah Bruce.'

 

[HUMANIMAL]

we maybe see it before that he is working on it and then later on bruce asks for it...
for the third we sure get another one;-) new movie new toys...

 

[Sandouras]

He's literally the most popular comic book artist working right now. And learn to use google.

I thought Ross was. And maybe Granov.

Btw, Granov is fantastic!

And learn to use google.

yeah well, you got the message. Why should i use google when i came across just fine? Jesus.

"That suit looks stupid; I keep expecting Batman to turn into a truck."

Why haven't I heard this argument yet?

I lol'ed hard!

In the end, trying to justify it's appearance by saying "Oh, maybe it has a functional purpose!" is just nonsense, because function doesn't necessitate these design choices. If these (theoretical and probably non-existent) functions are necessary, there's no reason they couldn't be designed in a better way, and a way more appropriate to Batman. There's no excuse.

I especially enjoy the "His legs are segmented for movement" argument. If it was for movement, the legs would be segment

"That suit looks stupid; I keep expecting Batman to turn into a truck."

Why haven't I heard this argument yet?

ed at joints, areas of stress or buckling, and that's it. Adding a bunch of random lines won't make it any more mobile than that: it's just useless visual garbage, as I've said in the past. The same goes for the v-plate. No purpose, just ugly.

I suppose that they segmented the legs so much so that they match the torso. They would look too simple and off if they werent overdesigned as well.
Of course, they could have underdesigned the whole thing.....but....

Doesn't matter if it's black, and it's not a phenomenon exclusive to Batman. A lot of we geeks like to think the public is really unforgiving about this stuff, but they're not. They don't sit in theatres saying "Grey Batman is silly!" or "Daredevil's leather costume isn't armoured enough!" They don't complain that the people in Star Trek are supposedly military personnel, but dress in plain jumpsuits and don't act at all like soldiers--even the security ones! They don't walk out of theatres because a silver guy on a flying surfboard is ridiculous. They don't care that the ending of "Street Kings" is totally outlandish.

They just don't care. They are as capable of suspending disbelief as any of us, and in fact more so, because unlike us fans, they do not over-analyze everything. Any base explanation will satisfy them. They will accept any concept that is sold properly within the film.

Indeed.

 

[zman]

http://kolbyjukes.com/?page_id=45...worth checking out.