The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Hole Shot]

Well it certainly is not much about the suit.

WHAT?!?! This was the Batsuit discussion?

 

[lujho]

OK this whole thread doesn't make any sense anymore.

It makes perfect sense if you're drinking bourbon.

 

[Leon the Professional]

It's not like because you're big, you're a suspect. Any young, active, and especially outgoing guy is more than likely going to be fit in some manner. Bruce's size isn't so humongous that it would immediately stand out from a crowd.

Yes there are many young fit men in Gotham. But how many of them have the financial resources for something like the Tumbler? That narrows the list down some. And whatever little things Bruce can do to keep suspicion off himself, he needs to do. Again, it's not necessary for his neck to be thin, but it's not an unreasonable justification for why he wouldn't work out his neck (whose muscles would be just for vanity's sake anyway).

You're not bringing up anything I didn't address a few days ago. The American Pie example is valid, but it is not comparable to the "I'm Batman" introduction. Why? Because Batman is not supposed to look tired in that scene. Chris Klein was, because he had just finished a work-out.

For all intents and purposes, it was Batman's time to show the world who's boss. He doesn't look tired, nor does he act tired, so sounding tired is a bit of a stretch there. If they wanted to convey that, they would've done so in a manner in which it would've made sense and was more readily apparent, i.e. the Himalayas sequence. Do you not find it odd that you have been the only person to bring this up? In the 3 years I've discussed BB, absolutely no one even considered that as a possible situation.

So it's valid for Klein to sound tired after a workout, but it's not valid for Batman to sound tired after kicking the asses of a gang of criminals? What about when Bruce fights those prisoners at the beginning of Begins. Can you believe that he sounds out of breath when he speaks to the guards right after? Why that is just craziness. But surely then when he takes on twice as many men in Gotham he should sound like he just took a stroll in the park.

Are you able to think only in extremes? Are you not able to wrap your mind around the notion that in the "I'm Batman" scene it should be neither emphasized that Batman is out of breath nor ignored that he just finished exerting himself to a physical extreme? He shouldn't have conyeved tiredness in an obvious way, because it isn't the point of the scene, but the physical state of his character shouldn't be ignored altogether. It is just common damn sense. It might not be obvious, but if you just put an ounce of thought into why Bale would choose to sound how he did, then it shouldn't be such a ridiculous possibility to you.

 

[Hole Shot]

It makes perfect sense if you're drinking bourbon.

I've been drinking beer.

 

[lujho]

I've been drinking beer.

Well there's your problem.

 

[SheldonLevene]

D'oh, sorry - sarcasm detector malfunctioned.

Tis alright I thought the duh gave it away though lol. Either way your post highlights the insanity over his his physique quite well. I agree on all counts except the fact that he could have gotten a bigger neck (as if this is even an issue its so silly) but he would have had to gain back the weight. The way he looks to me is as if he got back into shape for the role and worked out, but didn't focus on any weight gain (fine with me btw). In BB his neck/trap area was pretty large, but he was also probably 20 pounds heavier in my estimation. Your neck is not something that you can really work out. It's possible, but certainly not something he would have focused on alot. Getting a bigger neck comes with being heavier and like I said doing really focused work that just isn't needed. All in all he looks pretty good to me.

 

[Crook]

Yes there are many young fit men in Gotham. But how many of them have the financial resources for something like the Tumbler? That narrows the list down some. And whatever little things Bruce can do to keep suspicion off himself, he needs to do.

Like stealing a top-secret army vehicle that belongs to your own company, and not even bothering to make some changes so it's unrecognizable? The Tumbler itself is a huge hole in the disguise, because Bruce barely does anything about it disconnect himself from the vehicle that his own company has made.

Again, it's not necessary for his neck to be thin, but it's not an unreasonable justification for why he wouldn't work out his neck (whose muscles would be just for vanity's sake anyway).

I'm not really sure how one would "work out" his neck, but someone feel free to correct me. This time around, Bale just happens to be smaller and his neck shows that. It's not something that's intentional to make sure it's thinner than it was before.

So it's valid for Klein to sound tired after a workout, but it's not valid for Batman to sound tired after kicking the asses of a gang of criminals?

Dude. You are the ONLY person to assess that Bats is tired during that one segment. I don't have to justify my position when you are the only one claiming the opposite.

What about when Bruce fights those prisoners at the beginning of Begins. Can you believe that he sounds out of breath when he speaks to the guards right after?

Yes, because *gasp*....he LOOKED tired. I've made a point to say that if the guy looks and acts tired, then guess what, that's probably the case. If not, then....

Are you able to think only in extremes? Are you not able to wrap your mind around the notion that in the "I'm Batman" scene it should be neither emphasized that Batman is out of breath nor ignored that he just finished exerting himself to a physical extreme? He shouldn't have conyeved tiredness in an obvious way, because it isn't the point of the scene, but the physical state of his character shouldn't be ignored altogether. It is just common damn sense. It might not be obvious, but if you just put an ounce of thought into why Bale would choose to sound how he did, then it shouldn't be such a ridiculous possibility to you.

He sounds exactly the same. His voice is gruffy, growly, and menacing. "Where were the drugs going?!" and "I brought mine!" are the same exact tone as his "I'm Batman".

There are no signs of panting or shortness breath, both of which are common indicators of being tired. What more do you want me to say?

If you can get various people here to agree that yes, Bale did sound tired, and intentionally did so because of the previous scene, I'll more than likely concede and wear a dunce hate. Literally. Get those people to agree, and I'll do it. We're just going in circles with this argument, so this'll be my last word on that.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Crook I agree with you on this one. He may be tired. Hell I would be, but he doesn't act it, and I don't think the voice was supposed to reflect being out of breath.

 

[lujho]

"I'm Batman" is one of the few times, IMO, when his Bat-voice actually sounds really good. The other voice he does in other scenes sounds silly to me - too forced. "I'm Batman" just sounds raspy, but natural. And in no way out of breath.

 

[cryptic name]

he doesn't sound out of breath to me. just sounds he's using a chilling whisper in his batman voice.

 

[SheldonLevene]

His voice with Rach. in the cave was also quite good. And at the train station after dispatching the men who were going to kill her. I also liked it when he confronted Ras. The only times I really didn't care too much for it was when he talked to Flass. It was ok, but really loud and barky (if that's a word). I like Batman to be just a bit more discreet when questioning inverted crooked cops in the rain.

 

[BatSpider]

"I'm Batman" is one of the few times, IMO, when his Bat-voice actually sounds really good. The other voice he does in other scenes sounds silly to me - too forced. "I'm Batman" just sounds raspy, but natural. And in no way out of breath.

Maybe out of breath, have to look again

 

[Thot]

As with the BB suit, I have a love/hate relationship with the new TDK suit. Like others have posted here, the cowl looks great at certain angles and ******ed at others. The mouth opening is even weirder this time around. And the already infamous "bobble head" is painful to look at. The rest of the suit is "cool" in a slick, extreme biker/special forces kinda way. Though not really a cool Batman suit. Still hate the downright subliminal chest symbol. I'm sure it'll be shot at flattering angles and lighting in the movie, so I'm not too worried about that. Plus the fact that everything about TDK is looking solid. I appreciate Nolan and what he's done with Batman and his universe. Without a doubt, he has done our hero justice and deserves copious praise.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

And as great as he'd look with a thick neck, it'd give him no advantage for his physical purposes as Batman, and would be a disadvantage for his slacker playboy facade: "Gee, that Bruce Wayne must work out a lot..."

Of course it would give him an advantage, it would make it less likely for his head to separate from his shoulders! Seriously, linebackers and boxers build their necks for a reason. Safer for impact.

As to point two, shouldn't a "playa'" look good? Its not exactly a stretch for the Wayne persona to be a narcissistic, egocentric, a-hole who likes to work out just because he's shallow and gets his nails done too.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

And as great as he'd look with a thick neck, it'd give him no advantage for his physical purposes as Batman....

From a bodybuilding.com, and I quote...
"Functionally speaking, a strong neck provides stability in contact sports and during training sessions which engage heavy compound exercises..."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what Batman does would be classified as a "contact sport."

Now I know common sense isn't one of your strong points but try to follow with me...

This isn't even directed at me but I find your posts unnecessarily insulting. If you need that much sarcasm to make an argument, you don't have an argument.

Explain a neck work out for me please.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson21.htm

You're welcome.

Yes, it's like with any possible aspect of the production, people have to justify why that was the absolute best choice to make - even if they said the same thing about the last film for an aspect that was done differently.

It's like every choice Nolan made - or just happenstance situation - is absolutely right, and couldn't possibly be just a tiny bit of a flaw. Being GLAD Bale has a thin neck? As if being thicker would be some kind of active problem that would hurt the film. That's crazy.

QFT!

 

[regwec]

Yes, it's like with any possible aspect of the production, people have to justify why that was the absolute best choice to make - even if they said the same thing about the last film for an aspect that was done differently.

It's like every choice Nolan made - or just happenstance situation - is absolutely right, and couldn't possibly be just a tiny bit of a flaw. Being GLAD Bale has a thin neck? As if being thicker would be some kind of active problem that would hurt the film. That's crazy.

I feel that the small blemish on the negative of the film at 1:21:46 was a great artistic choice by Nolan, and that the film would have been campy and unrealistic without it.

 

[Eggyman]

I feel that the small blemish on the negative of the film as 1:21:46 was a great artistic choice by Nolan, and that the film would have been campy and unrealistic without it.

You sarcy ******! lol

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

So I see this thread turned back into what it used to be ehhh?

 

[SheldonLevene]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson21.htm

You're welcome.

Congrats you googled a neck workout. I know you haven't done it, but do you know anyone who ever has done these? I work out all the time and do none of those (excluding shrugs and upright row but those are mainly for other parts of the body). My point is they are really targeted and would be a waste of time if all you were trying to do is get back into shape to play in a movie. Are you really concerned that Bale has to small a neck to be convincing in the role. And as for your boxer and linbacker comment, They do not have their neck incased in an armored brace. Don't even say that the neck roll some linebackers wear counts.

 

[Psoliagos]

I know its the same shot over and over again. I just wanted to post it here as well for your reactions. I really like this suit! I think that in the dark it will look organic and not over the top. I also like the cowl in many shots. Unfortunately i dont like the cowl in that comcast video. His head is too long. Its like he's the bucket-man. But all in all, great suit.

Even the legs seem to work when you look at the suit as a whole. Sure it tires your eye a bit, but the legs should be over-segmented as well to suit the top of the suit. Its not necessary. Its not vital or something. Its aesthetics. The pants had to match the rest of it.

Furthermore, i am intrigued to see what happens in Hong Kong. It seems that batman doesnt have his cowl there but a backpack. Maybe he is carrying a chute, maybe Kazooie. Or its his cape stored in there. I just find it a bit of a coincidence for both BW and Batman to be in the same abroad city at the same time.

Finally, i urge you all to wait to see the suit in the film, cause thats where the Begins suit and the tumbler won us over.

 

[SuperKoala]

excellent

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Im sick of seeing that same promotional pic used for all the magazine, I like the pic but its really starting to get on my nerves.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Im sick of seeing that same promotional pic used for all the magazine, I like the pic but its really starting to get on my nerves.

I know what you mean. They have to have some better pics even though this one is good it's like quit reusing it over and over.

 

[undyingsoul]

I know its the same shot over and over again. I just wanted to post it here as well for your reactions. I really like this suit! I think that in the dark it will look organic and not over the top. I also like the cowl in many shots. Unfortunately i dont like the cowl in that comcast video. His head is too long. Its like he's the bucket-man. But all in all, great suit.

Even the legs seem to work when you look at the suit as a whole. Sure it tires your eye a bit, but the legs should be over-segmented as well to suit the top of the suit. Its not necessary. Its not vital or something. Its aesthetics. The pants had to match the rest of it.

Furthermore, i am intrigued to see what happens in Hong Kong. It seems that batman doesnt have his cowl there but a backpack. Maybe he is carrying a chute, maybe Kazooie. Or its his cape stored in there. I just find it a bit of a coincidence for both BW and Batman to be in the same abroad city at the same time.

Finally, i urge you all to wait to see the suit in the film, cause thats where the Begins suit and the tumbler won us over.

nice banjo-kazooie reference there.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I know what you mean. They have to have some better pics even though this one is good it's like quit reusing it over and over.

I hope we start seeing newer pics of Bale in the suit used for promoting the film.