Endgame Captain America/Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[Spider-Fan]

Nah, I have to strongly disagree on this one

-Just because it's "not his timeline" Steve would still fight for it and fight to make it a better place, because that's what he does (Look at the Dimension Z comic run)
-His other timeline might've gone differently, but because he was there, fighting when he had to, it still could've turned out alright, and maybe he found a way to prevent Thanos's ascension entirely. Yeah, maybe he "Stopped Bucky and Thanos Wins" or Maybe he stopped Loki and completely disrupted Thanos's plans... that's all pure speculation and headcannon anyways
- It's still Peggy, the timeline didn't branch until he showed up on her doorstep. They still both had their experiences in WWII together, she just wasn't the old woman he met years later. He wanted to be with her and get that dance, who cares if it was a branched timeline.

I just cannot, and will not, accept a Steve Rogers who retires and does nothing with the rest of his many years on earth, and like I said, especially when Peggy was off leading SHIELD... Steve was what, home baking cookies?? F*** that

Why can't Steve have been helping Peggy under another identity in the other ending? Why must he be at home playing houseman?

 

[BoredGuy]

Idk, with all we've heard about Shield over the years, wouldn't we have heard something about Peggy's Husband being a field operative? It just seems to create too many questions and inconsistencies if he was here the whole time

I don't wike it

 

[Spider-Fan]

Idk, with all we've heard about Shield over the years, wouldn't we have heard something about Peggy's Husband being a field operative? It just seems to create too many questions and inconsistencies if he was here the whole time

I don't wike it

Who also said he had to be a field operative? He easily could have been helping behind the scenes as a "specialist" or something, even if he was not a standard field op. Time Travel itself creates questions, but filling in these gaps is something future MCU films could always do if Evans comes back at some point. Maybe he founded a true Invaders team in his era or something? Who knows.

 

[ScarlettW]

They are only an "option" in the sense that it is always an "option" to make bad story decisions that contradict established knowledge. The movie. . . really isn't that unclear. Whatever ambiguity over how Cap got back to the present, it was 100% consistent on 'changes to the past do not change the present', seeing as having Thanos *literally leave the past to fight in the present and die there* did not change anything.

I feel like the majority of the "confusion" is fundamentally based in an unwillingness to accept the idea of a hero successfully retiring. Which is to say, its the TDKR funk all over again.

(Granted, the writers apparently being idiots does not help.)

I liked the end of TDKR, it made sense in the story, it was a good ending.

I think they tried to do the same with Steve in Endgame, but it did not work because it became a mess. The thought of Steve sitting watching Peggy interact with the Hydra, knowing that Bucky is being torturing, hear Peggy say that the Starks have died, he pretending he does not know anything because he can not change the timeline is OOC. How could he live with that? This is the guy who does not sit

He creates a new timeline where he saves everyone else because he has the thought of him living in this perfect world in which he saves Bucky, the starks, destroys the Hydra, but at sametime, the tortured Bucky with traumas is still here.

It would have been better if he had retired and stayed with Sharon Carter as Bruce and Selina in TDKR. He would accept his place in the world, follow Natasha's advice on having a life, having a family like Tony, knowing that the world now is in good hands.

 

[BoredGuy]

Who also said he had to be a field operative? He easily could have been helping behind the scenes as a "specialist" or something, even if he was not a standard field op. Time Travel itself creates questions, but filling in these gaps is something future MCU films could always do if Evans comes back at some point. Maybe he founded a true Invaders team in his era or something? Who knows.

Yeah but he can still do that in an alternate timeline too, and we've never heard of the Invaders while the Howling Commandos are still fondly remembered, so something like that would probably make even more sense in an alternate world.

Idk, it also introduces a sense of immutability to the time travel in the film, and that doesn't really jibe with the rest of the ideas on time travel they introduce. I'm always of the opinion that it's best to be as simple as possible with time travel in movies. So adding the wrinkle that "yea changing things creates a new timeline, but if you do it right you can insert yourself into our world's past" overly complicates it and would seem to invite even more paradoxes. Saying, "if you go to the past and do anything, you're creating a new timeline" is much simpler.

 

[Zarex]

I just cannot, and will not, accept a Steve Rogers who retires and does nothing with the rest of his many years on earth, and like I said, especially when Peggy was off leading SHIELD... Steve was what, home baking cookies?? F*** that

Maybe Citizen Steve started a charitable foundation that provided educational opportunities for at risk youth? Or he did a stint in the Peace Corps? Perhaps Second Rogers worked to provide a high quality of life and dignity to WWII vets in their golden years? Citizen Steve could have done a lot of good in this world without all the punching.

My head canon is that Citizen Steve couldn't get involved in the Hydra stuff and other things that directly involved Super Hero Cap because of concern of altering the timeline, and perhaps leading to the all powerful world conquering monster known as Dog Hitler. But he did a lot of good during his second go at it and had a life well led.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah but he can still do that in an alternate timeline too, and we've never heard of the Invaders while the Howling Commandos are still fondly remembered, so something like that would probably make even more sense in an alternate world.

Idk, it also introduces a sense of immutability to the time travel in the film, and that doesn't really jibe with the rest of the ideas on time travel they introduce. I'm always of the opinion that it's best to be as simple as possible with time travel in movies. So adding the wrinkle that "yea changing things creates a new timeline, but if you do it right you can insert yourself into our world's past" overly complicates it and would seem to invite even more paradoxes. Saying, "if you go to the past and do anything, you're creating a new timeline" is much simpler.

I can see this being argued in favor of either M&M or the Russos. But since we're talking about the M&M version of the ending, Hulk does only really say "You can't change your past" in regard to time travel. But what if going back to the past is your future? Then Steve is not changing his past, so it's still not quite the same as predestination and such. So I can see where if you want to view the movie in this way, you can argue it that way.

So basically, I think the rules of time travel are open enough to where the viewer can see the ending through whatever lense they want.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Quantum Realm suit design by artist Alexander Lozano

 

[BoredGuy]

I was kinda bummed they all just hopped out of those suits the second they got to where they were going

made sense for Cap & Tony's team to blend in, but there was no reason Widow and Hawkeye's squad or Thor & Rocket should've needed to ditch them

 

[NHawk19]

How old do we think Steve was when he re-appears? He's already almost 90 when he travels back in time, and I'm assuming he doesn't age like everyone else. Meaning that even if he spend 70 years with Peggy that he would still only age 10-20.

 

[KevTravels]

I kinda wish we got a scene (even if only 20 seconds) of Cap fighting with Sam and Bucky. Heck, even a passing the shield between the 3 during the battle. But maybe that would have been dismissed as too much fan service.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Does anyone have a good explanation of why Steve aged?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because going back to the 40s and coming back in modern day is a long time? But seriously, the Serum no doubt slowed his aging. Cap is over 100, and he looks like a man in his 70s. But it doesn't prevent aging.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[BoredGuy]

How old do we think Steve was when he re-appears? He's already almost 90 when he travels back in time, and I'm assuming he doesn't age like everyone else. Meaning that even if he spend 70 years with Peggy that he would still only age 10-20.

Because going back to the 40s and coming back in modern day is a long time? But seriously, the Serum no doubt slowed his aging. Cap is over 100, and he looks like a man in his 70s. But it doesn't prevent aging.

yeah I enjoy trying to figure out his physical age
-1918 (born) to 1945 (goes in ice) = 27 physical years
-2011 (awoken before Avengers) to 2023 = 12 years

So that puts his body at 39 when he went back... did they state the exact year he went back to?

If it was 1945, right after he went into the ice, that's 78 years until the end of endgame, so his body would be 117 years old
Even if we say he went back to 1950 or so, he'd be 112 years old

 

[Spider-Fan]

yeah I enjoy trying to figure out his physical age
-1918 (born) to 1945 (goes in ice) = 27 physical years
-2011 (awoken before Avengers) to 2023 = 12 years

So that puts his body at 39 when he went back... did they state the exact year he went back to?

If it was 1945, right after he went into the ice, that's 78 years until the end of endgame, so his body would be 117 years old
Even if we say he went back to 1950 or so, he'd be 112 years old

That age range seems right. Pretty spry for someone close to 120!

 

[Imjenn]

Chris Evans has been great as Cap. From silly light hearted moments like the subversive elevator scene, to his final stand in Endgame, he has fully embodied Captain America.

We couldn't have asked for a better Cap.

 

[Xeno]

I kinda wish we got a scene (even if only 20 seconds) of Cap fighting with Sam and Bucky. Heck, even a passing the shield between the 3 during the battle. But maybe that would have been dismissed as too much fan service.

Nah, it would have been fine. It's not like the three of them are women.

 

[Asharad]

yeah I enjoy trying to figure out his physical age
-1918 (born) to 1945 (goes in ice) = 27 physical years
-2011 (awoken before Avengers) to 2023 = 12 years

So that puts his body at 39 when he went back... did they state the exact year he went back to?

If it was 1945, right after he went into the ice, that's 78 years until the end of endgame, so his body would be 117 years old
Even if we say he went back to 1950 or so, he'd be 112 years old

We don't know long it took him to return the infinity stones and the hammer. There could be untold stories there.

 

[Zarex]

Nah, it would have been fine. It's not like the three of them are women.

"THAT brief fan service scene, in a film comprised almost entirely of fan service scenes, was totally cringey! And my smoking hot Canadian girlfriend agrees with me!"

 

[Imjenn]

We don't know long it took him to return the infinity stones and the hammer. There could be untold stories there.

My wish would be for marvel to give Chris Evans whatever he wants in exchange for an 8 episode mini series of his journeys to return everything.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My wish would be for marvel to give Chris Evans whatever he wants in exchange for an 8 episode mini series of his journeys to return everything.

Why not 6 episodes? 1 episode for each stone. Though he would be returning 2 at the same time.

 

[The Caped Knight]

So there was an outcry on the instagram page of slideshowcollectables that the head piece featuring Chris Evans looked remarkable like the previous one used in Captain America : Civil War. So the designer responded and presented an all new head sculpting piece for Avengers Endgame.

 

[MrWayne]

They really should have thought this through. The fact that this has cased so much discussion and debate where the writers and directors have to come out to explain away stuff is ehhh… And I think we didn't need that old man Cap ending I get that they wanted to give Cap a proper send off but I don't feel it was earned all that much.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If Cap had made the time jump and then returned as he was supposed to only with the new sheild and then took off the helmet and was old, gave Sam, Bucky and Bruce the low down on what he did and gave Sam the shield and then left we would not be having any discussions about this.

But they went with poetry over prose so to speak. And I'm not sure the ambiguity isn't purposeful to an extent. The way they did it was both more about narrative satisfaction but also it leaves gaps that they can fill however they want if need be in the future.