Cara Delevingne IS Enchantress

[Captain Shazam]

-Cara Delevigne, Hypocrite, 06/2015

hahahahahahahahahaha

BoredGuy clocking the T!

 

[PyroChamber]

I don't know much about Delevingne, but from what I've seen she does seem like the type to say things without truly thinking or constantly putting her foot in her mouth.

 

[Marvolo]

Just so Ive got this straight...an ancient evil sorceress, The Enchantress, possesses an innocent girl, June Moon, and takes over her body and goes all evil psyco *****...and people are saying her outfit is too sexual? Why, because shes showing some skin? Shes an ancient sorceress. Human cultures didnt always associate nakedness with sexuality. The ancient egyptians for instance I read that they didnt wear clothes until a certain age. Sometime around 6 or so. And even after that they wore light breathable clothing that didnt hide their bodies. So who are we to say an ancient evil crazy sorceress wouldnt walk around in this crazy outfit? Maybe she isnt a ****ing prudie puritan sorceress.

If these whiners want a wholesome movie with wholesome characters they came to the wong supervillain movie.

All that matters is that the outfit makes sense in the context of the character, and that Cara was ok with the outfit. As long as she was ok with it I couldnt care less how much skin the character is showing. And just glancing at the elements of the outfit and her body markings it all makes sense within the context of the character.

As far as Im concerned, an evil sorceress can wear and dress however she wants. Or in this case, however David and Cara want her to dress. Besides its not like the character needs pants or body armor or any clothing because shes a sorceress that can apparently reap souls. Clothing is entirely optional for someone like that.

 

[buzzyb]

-Cara Delevigne, Hypocrite, 06/2015

No where in her quote did she say that Suicide Squad wasn't sexist or that she was okay with her own outfit for the movie, so can't really call her a hypocrite. She's capable of calling out sexism in movies while still being affected by it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

No where in her quote did she say that Suicide Squad wasn't sexist or that she was okay with her own outfit for the movie, so can't really call her a hypocrite. She's capable of calling out sexism in movies while still being affected by it.

It's not about Enchantress role exclusively.
Hearing stuff about sexism from a person who makes a living on exploiting her own sex appeal and beauty? Really?

 

[buzzyb]

It's not about Enchantress role exclusively.
Hearing stuff about sexism from a person who makes a living on exploiting her own sex appeal and beauty? Really?

She's a woman though, does she really have a choice in Hollywood? The only woman I can think of who continually gets work who doesn't get exploited (by others or by her own doing) is Melissa McCarthy. I really don't get this argument tbh - and I'm not trying to attack anyone - but a lot of these comments seem to be coming from purposely obtuse men who are unwilling to listen to a woman when she says anything remotely negative about their fav things.

 

[ThePhantasm]

She's a woman though, does she really have a choice in Hollywood? The only woman I can think of who continually gets work who doesn't get exploited (by others or by her own doing) is Melissa McCarthy. I really don't get this argument tbh - and I'm not trying to attack anyone - but a lot of these comments seem to be coming from purposely obtuse men who are unwilling to listen to a woman when she says anything remotely negative about their fav things.

she's only recently been a hollywood actress... she's still primarily a female model, and that's what OutofBoose is referring to

her job as a model is indeed heavily reliant upon her sex appeal

 

[jokesonm3]

Well i don't know about you guys but i listen to models for their brains, not their looks.

 

[buzzyb]

she's only recently been a hollywood actress... she's still primarily a female model, and that's what OutofBoose is referring to

her job as a model is indeed heavily reliant upon her sex appeal

That doesn't dismiss my point though. If the qualification for a woman being able to speak out on sexism is that she isn't exploited than literally no woman would be able to speak up. It was a job, I'm assuming she wanted to keep her job and continue getting more jobs, so she couldn't not do her job. Are models not allowed to call out sexism? Once again, I'm sorry, but this sounds like it's coming from a man who has not had to deal with sexism in the workplace.

 

[ThePhantasm]

If the qualification for a woman being able to speak out on sexism is that she isn't exploited than literally no woman would be able to speak up.

No one made that point.

Instead, people have pointed out that she's in a career that centers upon sex appeal. Modeling. She can choose a different career if she doesn't like that aspect of it. There are other careers which do not or should not center upon sex appeal. If her success in an office setting were determined by sex appeal, that would indeed be sexist. But in this case it is a bit hypocritical to rail against sexualization when you are in an industry which by its very intrinsic design profits from it.

It would be like working as a porn actress and then speaking out against porn.

There's also a difference between speaking out against sexism and speaking out against sexualization, which a number of people here seem to be missing. Including Delevigne.

 

[buzzyb]

No one made that point.

Instead, people have pointed out that she's in a career that centers upon sex appeal. Modeling. She can choose a different career if she doesn't like that aspect of it. There are other careers which do not or should not center upon sex appeal. If her success in an office setting were determined by sex appeal, that would indeed be sexist. But in this case it is a bit hypocritical to rail against sexualization when you are in an industry which by its very intrinsic design profits from it.

It would be like working as a porn actress and then speaking out against porn.

There's also a difference between speaking out against sexism and speaking out against sexualization, which a number of people here seem to be missing. Including Delevigne.

I don't agree with this view and I think it's a dangerous view to have tbh. The notion that women who model can't speak out against the treatment they receive on a daily basis simply because they occasionally pose provocatively and could get another job in another field is insanely dismissive (and once again proves my point that this site is dominated by men who just don't get or are unwilling to listen to women when it comes to critical views on certain topics - you guys come up with new rules as to why they're not allowed to speak on an issue every time a woman says something that goes against your views).

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't agree with this view and I think it's a dangerous view to have tbh. The notion that women who model can't speak out against the treatment they receive on a daily basis simply because they occasionally pose provocatively and could get another job in another field is insanely dismissive (and once again proves my point that this site is dominated by men who just don't get or are unwilling to listen to women when it comes to critical views on certain topics - you guys come up with new rules as to why they're not allowed to speak on an issue every time a woman says something that goes against your views).

You're making unfair leaps to judgment about my views.

Delevigne said nothing about how she was treated. She spoke out against revealing, alluring costumes in superhero films, and specifically called that sexist. But she works in an industry where she makes money off of wearing revealing, alluring clothing. That's the industry she's chosen to work in. So criticizing revealing, alluring clothing for supposedly being sexist (many women would disagree that it is) is rather hypocritical.

I never said she wasn't allowed to speak on anything. But when you speak, you communicate content, and if your communication of that content is hypocritical, I'll call you out on it. That's called an exchange of ideas. Its precisely because I take her opinion seriously that I've made a serious critique of it.

At any rate, you continue to conflate sexism with sexualization. Its entirely possible that Enchantress is such a well written character that Delevigne feels the character is not purely there for sex appeal, and that therefore her alluring dress in this context is not sexist. The medium in which Delevigne's original comment was delivered is not well suited to nuance. It is possible that, were she given a chance to qualify her statement, all apparent hypocrisy would melt away.

As it stands though, Delevigne equated sexualized clothing with sexism, which is hypocritical because her job as a model hinges upon the sex appeal of the clothing which she models. If sexualization is sexism, don't work in the sexualization industry.

 

[Bane Cook]

DonnaTheDeadVerified account
‏@MildlyAmused
You know what, #SuicideSquad? **** you. You can’t even blame Enchantress’s costume on canon. SHE’S IN PANTS.


Welp. There is a lot of outrage over this.

I wonder if the photographer told her to take the dress off. I could have swore she wore one in the first pic. Also Ayer's last pic from the set showed her in pants as well.

Keep in mind THIS is who is writing this.

When you're on a crusade to fight sexism your words might hold a little more weight if you at least attempt to hide your own flagrant chauvinism. But as is often the case with these social justice types the hypocrisy is lost on them.

 

[buzzyb]

Keep in mind THIS is who is writing this.

When you're on a crusade to fight sexism your words might hold a little more weight if you at least attempt to hide your own flagrant chauvinism. But as is often the case with these social justice types the hypocrisy is lost on them.

I don't know who this woman is, so I'm not sure why you're bringing her up in order to dismiss my views on a certain subject.

 

[Bane Cook]

I don't know who this woman is, so I'm not sure why you're bringing her up in order to dismiss my views on a certain subject.

This has nothing to do with you and I wasn't even responding to you? This is the author of the original tweet.

 

[jokesonm3]

He wasn't replying to you......

 

[ThePhantasm]

Forgive me for not weeping bitter tears over the multi-millionaire model and hollywood actress, who decries superhero women wearing tights as sexist in a genre where both men and women are heavily sexualized. Oh no, she's wearing the equivalent of a bikini... she must be oppressed.

Even if Delevigne really thought wearing a bikini is "sexist," I guarantee you she doesn't care about it enough to quit her job and do something else. And I bet that buzzyb doesn't care about it enough to boycott Suicide Squad... you'll still go support the film. And people will still inexplicably complain about models being judged on the basis of their appearance in an industry which centers upon body-image and attractiveness, because they don't understand what modelling is. Apparently.

 

[buzzyb]

You're making unfair leaps to judgment about my views.

Delevigne said nothing about how she was treated. She spoke out against revealing, alluring costumes in superhero films, and specifically called that sexist. But she works in an industry where she makes money off of wearing revealing, alluring clothing. That's the industry she's chosen to work in. So criticizing revealing, alluring clothing for supposedly being sexist (many women would disagree that it is) is rather hypocritical.

I never said she wasn't allowed to speak on anything. But when you speak, you communicate content, and if your communication of that content is hypocritical, I'll call you out on it. That's called an exchange of ideas. Its precisely because I take her opinion seriously that I've made a serious critique of it.

At any rate, you continue to conflate sexism with sexualization. Its entirely possible that Enchantress is such a well written character that Delevigne feels the character is not purely there for sex appeal, and that therefore her alluring dress in this context is not sexist. The medium in which Delevigne's original comment was delivered is not well suited to nuance. It is possible that, were she given a chance to qualify her statement, all apparent hypocrisy would melt away.

As it stands though, Delevigne equated sexualized clothing with sexism, which is hypocritical because her job as a model hinges upon the sex appeal of the clothing which she models. If sexualization is sexism, don't work in the sexualization industry.

In her quote she said “Generally though, superhero movies are totally sexist.", so she wasn't just talking about clothing. Either way, I don't agree with the notion that she's hypocritical for speaking out on the issue and then being affected by the issue she spoke out against. You obviously disagree, and at this point we'll just go in circles, so agree to disagree. Also, thank you for proving my point that men on this site are dismissive of women…

 

[buzzyb]

Forgive me for not weeping bitter tears over the multi-millionaire model and hollywood actress, who decries superhero women wearing tights as sexist in a genre where both men and women are heavily sexualized. Oh no, she's wearing the equivalent of a bikini... she must be oppressed.

Even if Delevigne really thought wearing a bikini is "sexist," I guarantee you she doesn't care about it enough to quit her job and do something else. And I bet that buzzyb doesn't care about it enough to boycott Suicide Squad... you'll still go support the film. And people will still inexplicably complain about models being judged on the basis of their appearance in an industry which centers upon body-image and attractiveness, because they don't understand what modelling is. Apparently.

I never said I was against her outfit or any outfit on any of the women in this movie. I simply disagreed with the statement that she's being hypocritical on the topic.

 

[ThePhantasm]

In her quote she said “Generally though, superhero movies are totally sexist.", so she wasn't just talking about clothing. Either way, I don't agree with the notion that she's hypocritical for speaking out on the issue and then being affected by the issue she spoke out against. You obviously disagree, and at this point we'll just go in circles, so agree to disagree (and thank you for being civil some on here are incapable of that and revert to sarcasm or even sexism, but I do appreciate you being nice )

Sure. I think the difference lies in that she's not merely "affected" by the issue she spoke out against. She's contributing to it, by either continuing to model or by acting in the very superhero films she decried. She doesn't have to do either of those things. If she does them, its because she chose to, not because she was forced. I know full well that sexism is a problem in Hollywood. But for copious amounts of money some actresses are willing to tolerate that problem. If an industry is treating you unfairly, there has and always will be that grand declaration of protest: "I quit."

 

[buzzyb]

This has nothing to do with you and I wasn't even responding to you? This is the author of the original tweet.

I misread and thought you were the original author of the comment and were following up the comment with pictures, my bad, sorry.

 

[ThePhantasm]

thank you for proving my point that men on this site are dismissive of women…

I've done no such thing.

 

[buzzyb]

I've done no such thing.

I edited my post after you replied and I saw another comment made, but your overly sarcastic comment about how you don't feel sorry for her because of her money and her career choice is dismissive.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I edited my post after you replied but your overly sarcastic comment about how you don't feel sorry for her because of her money and her career choice is dismissive.

No, it isn't dismissive. Its putting her argument in proper perspective. I don't feel sorry for someone who prolongs their own supposed suffering or experience of oppression just because they continue to rake in millions in cash. She has a world of alternatives available to her.

I would say this to anyone, man or woman, who hates an aspect of their job... if you feel that strongly about it, don't work there.

 

[ThePhantasm]

If actresses don't like the industry, complaining about it on twitter is going to do jack ****. Actresses' quitting in droves or refusing to work, that would change it. But most of them don't feel strongly enough about it to forgo millions of dollars in cash. That's not dismissing their complaint, it is putting it in perspective. Just as they themselves have done.

Trust me, I've spoken out against sexism in the film industry a number of times on these boards.