Cast The Justice League

[jrpstarwars]

Jack Black??? Who said Jack Black is playing the Gren Lantern???

 

[steelio2006]

that is the rumour on this so-called 'web'.

 

[steelio2006]

although it is an utter and false statement.

 

[jrpstarwars]

where? I have to see this because it so unbelievable

 

[GL1]

Here's the question I've always had...

How many characters should be in a JLA movie?

Lord of the Rings centered on 9 heroes and two-three villains over the whole franchise of 3 hour long movies. Are we trying to have an underdeveloped league just for show, or do we actually want these characters to have a story?

 

[jrpstarwars]

I wasn’t sure if the amount of characters needed for a Justice League movie would help or hurt the chances of a Justice League movie(s) actually getting made. Your Lord of the Rings comparison ensured me that it indeed can be done and done properly as well.

Let’s now list the characters for JLA with LOTR as a guide:

Lord of the Rings: Heroes(9)
Aragon Gimli Pippin
Gandalph Frodo Marry
Legolas Sam Boromir

Justice League: Heroes(9)
Superman Green Lantern Hawkgirl
Batman Martian Manhunter Hawkman
Wonder Woman Flash Aquaman

Lord of the Rings: Villains(6)
Sauron Witch King
Saroman Wormtongue
Gollum Shelob

Justice League: Villains(13)
Lex Luthor Cheetah SolomonGrundy Giganta Toyman
Black Manta Brainiac Grodd Capt. Cold
Riddler Sinestro Bizarro Scarecrow

Lord of the Rings: Hero Support(9)
Arwen Elrond Denethor Bilbo
Eowyn Faramir Eomer
Galadriel King Theoden Treebeard

Justice League: Sidekicks(3)
Green Arrow
Robin
Capt. Marvel

TOTAL CHARACTERS FOR LOTR: 25
TOTAL CHARACTERS FOR JLA: 25

I have to say that too many characters is no longer a stumbling block.
The new problems I’m having are:

A) Does anyone really want to see another movie focused around Superman or Batman? I personally do not. With that said, who is the Frodo of The Justice League Movie? How do you make a Justice League Movie about someone other than Superman or Batman and sell it???

B.) How many big name actors will you need behind this to get it off the ground? Secondly, who plays who??? Unlike LOTR these characters already are pictured in most peoples heads as being a certain way. People expect Superman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the rest to be a certain way. There were no preconcieved thoughts of Frodo, Aragon, or Arwen. Casting would be EXTREMELY CRITICAL for a production of this magnitude. A complete and total all-star cast is not necessary but at least 10-12 faces are probably necessary. LOTR had 7-8 but they had all the special effects and war scenes , niether of which I think JLA will compare to.t: t: t: t:

 

[steelio2006]

i'd like to see GL and Hawkgirl be the important characters.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Did Lantern and Hawkgirl ever do it???

 

[steelio2006]

i think it'd be interesting if they took a couple of aspects from the Justice League 3-part finale "Starcrossed".

 

[jrpstarwars]

One problem I have with comic or cartoon based movies is people not wanting to redo the stories, mainly because story originators such as DC and Marvel won't allow it. I would like a new begining for the Justice League and there forming.

Another problem I have with this movie being made is how can Hollywood sell the public another Superman and another Batman. It would seem that they would almost have to use Christian Bale, Brandon Routh, and Kevin Spacey for continuity sake. It is a possibility since Warner Bros. distributed both.

 

[steelio2006]

that'd be sweet since Spacey is awesome as Lex Luthor. Christian Bale is Batman. and Brandon Routh can come into his own as Superman.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Agreed, Bale is Batman . I haven't seen Superman Returns yet so I can't say. I know I don't like Spacey as Luthor because it reminds me of the scenes in 'Austin Powers: Goldmember' where he plays Dr. Evil. As for Routh as Superman , I have heard mixed reviews.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Agreed, Bale is Batman . I haven't seen Superman Returns yet so I can't say. I know I don't like Spacey as Luthor because it reminds me of the scenes in 'Austin Powers: Goldmember' where he plays Dr. Evil. As for Routh as Superman , I have heard mixed reviews.

 

[GL1]

I wasn’t sure if the amount of characters needed for a Justice League movie would help or hurt the chances of a Justice League movie(s) actually getting made. Your Lord of the Rings comparison ensured me that it indeed can be done and done properly as well.

Let’s now list the characters for JLA with LOTR as a guide:

Lord of the Rings: Heroes(9)
Aragon Gimli Pippin
Gandalph Frodo Marry
Legolas Sam Boromir

Justice League: Heroes(9)
Superman Green Lantern Hawkgirl
Batman Martian Manhunter Hawkman
Wonder Woman Flash Aquaman

Lord of the Rings: Villains(6)
Sauron Witch King
Saroman Wormtongue
Gollum Shelob

Justice League: Villains(13)
Lex Luthor Cheetah SolomonGrundy Giganta Toyman
Black Manta Brainiac Grodd Capt. Cold
Riddler Sinestro Bizarro Scarecrow

Lord of the Rings: Hero Support(9)
Arwen Elrond Denethor Bilbo
Eowyn Faramir Eomer
Galadriel King Theoden Treebeard

Justice League: Sidekicks(3)
Green Arrow
Robin
Capt. Marvel

TOTAL CHARACTERS FOR LOTR: 25
TOTAL CHARACTERS FOR JLA: 25

I have to say that too many characters is no longer a stumbling block.
The new problems I’m having are:

A) Does anyone really want to see another movie focused around Superman or Batman? I personally do not. With that said, who is the Frodo of The Justice League Movie? How do you make a Justice League Movie about someone other than Superman or Batman and sell it???

B.) How many big name actors will you need behind this to get it off the ground? Secondly, who plays who??? Unlike LOTR these characters already are pictured in most peoples heads as being a certain way. People expect Superman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the rest to be a certain way. There were no preconcieved thoughts of Frodo, Aragon, or Arwen. Casting would be EXTREMELY CRITICAL for a production of this magnitude. A complete and total all-star cast is not necessary but at least 10-12 faces are probably necessary. LOTR had 7-8 but they had all the special effects and war scenes , niether of which I think JLA will compare to.t: t: t: t:

So, The JLA has to be a super-budget shoot all three at once movie? Interesting...

Also, which characters do you focus on for the first movie and which are just given cursory introductions until the sequel. Also, would you leave plots open or tie up loose ends like traditional movies?

Also there is a great difference between using 6 main villains across a trilogy and guesting 9 supporting characters and using 13 "main" villains and guesting three sidekicks... villains require a lot more screentime than hero support. And, then we must ask: who will be the villains for the FIRST movie, since I believe LOTR only used 2 or 3 for the first one.

A) Imho, Martian Manhunter is the frodo of the Justice League.

B) I don't think ANY big names are needed, but some just carry over from other movies, like Begins. I think if we're having a JLA trilogy with 25 developed characters, we can definitely afford the Special FX of LOTR.

Even though I disagree with your conclusions, your research and presentation is just awesome.

 

[jrpstarwars]

So, The JLA has to be a super-budget shoot all three at once movie? Interesting...

Also, which characters do you focus on for the first movie and which are just given cursory introductions until the sequel. Also, would you leave plots open or tie up loose ends like traditional movies?

Also there is a great difference between using 6 main villains across a trilogy and guesting 9 supporting characters and using 13 "main" villains and guesting three sidekicks... villains require a lot more screentime than hero support. And, then we must ask: who will be the villains for the FIRST movie, since I believe LOTR only used 2 or 3 for the first one.

A) Imho, Martian Manhunter is the frodo of the Justice League.

B) I don't think ANY big names are needed, but some just carry over from other movies, like Begins. I think if we're having a JLA trilogy with 25 developed characters, we can definitely afford the Special FX of LOTR.

1. Actually Hawkman and Aquaman good go into the sidekick category. The
original JLA only had the 7 members.

2. I agree, something has to be done with the villains. Unless theyd do six movies!!!

3. Martian Manhunter is my choice as well but... well... I like the character and everything about the character, except for one thing. He needs a better name. I know that won't happen but I think if he was called SuperShadow or something like that it would be better.

4. I have no doubt the special effects could be done and 'afforded' but I don't think they would be necessary. They(Warner Bros.) could probably do six Justice League movies for maybe a few $million$ more than the three LOTR films.

5. Why not do two Trilogies? The first one can be about the Justice League and the second one about the Legion of Doom or vice versa.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Most folks will agree that Bale, Routh, and Spacey should all be in a Justice League movie. That leaves 7-8 more major roles to be filled out of the 25 starring roles.

I guess the choices will be the ones with the least opposition.

How about these:

Wonder Woman - Laura Prepon(no f'n doubt)
Aquaman - Matt Damon
Brainiac - John Malkovich

 

[jrpstarwars]

I think for a movie like this it will be important to know which characters you want to sell to the audience before writing begins. For example, say the studio wants to use Christian Bale as Batman as the selling point. This has to be known before writing begins. Batman must be kept in his element if he is the selling point.

This is a problem, I don't think a JLA movie could work if shot in a Batman Begins type of style. Conversely, I don't know if the Batman character could work in a Superman type of world. You see what I'm saying?

A writer must almost create the JLA world around Bale's Batman and Routh's Superman.

I'm sure Hollywood is working on this diligently but I don't know if it can be done succesfully.

 

[Kebab gud]

Justice League: Sidekicks(3)
[/B][/U]Green Arrow
Robin
Capt. Marvel

i find it funny that you list Green Arrow as a sidekick :P
he has after all been an JLA Member longer then Hawkgirl and Hawkman..
infact he was the first nonfounding member of the JLA (or member number 8)

 

[jrpstarwars]

i find it funny that you list Green Arrow as a sidekick :P
he has after all been an JLA Member longer then Hawkgirl and Hawkman..
infact he was the first nonfounding member of the JLA (or member number 8)

Intresting, didn't know that. What do you think of Matthew Mconaughey as Green Arrow???

 

[cujo66]

Agreed, Bale is Batman . I haven't seen Superman Returns yet so I can't say.

Wait a minute. How can you be an up standing member of a superhero message board and you haven't seen Superman Returns yet?

As for Wonder Woman, I though I sold you on Liv Tyler?t:

Sean Bean as Aquaman sounds great.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Wait a minute. How can you be an up standing member of a superhero message board and you haven't seen Superman Returns yet?

As for Wonder Woman, I though I sold you on Liv Tyler?t:

Sean Bean as Aquaman sounds great.

I'll see Superman Returns on PPV.

I was sold on Liv Tyler until I came up with Laura Prepon and Samantha Mumba. I think Samantha Mumba is perfect for WW2000. She is tall, amazonian, and pretty damn hot.

I know many Wonder Woman purist will say 'no way' but hear me out. With the success of the recent Superman and Batman movies and Hollywoods desire to tap into the black community, ala Blade and Spawn, it is only a matter of time before a traditional 'white' superhero is redone as a different race. They did it with Green Lantern in the comic books, they'll do it in the movies. It will likely be Wonder Woman or Green Lantern. They already are going minority for Wonder Woman with rumors of Catherine Zeta Jones taking on the role.

If not Mumba what other darkie could you see as Wonder Woman? I said Beyone Knowles earlier in the thread but someone said 'overexposed.'

 

[GL1]

I'll see Superman Returns on PPV.

I was sold on Liv Tyler until I came up with Laura Prepon and Samantha Mumba. I think Samantha Mumba is perfect for WW2000. She is tall, amazonian, and pretty damn hot.

I know many Wonder Woman purist will say 'no way' but hear me out. With the success of the recent Superman and Batman movies and Hollywoods desire to tap into the black community, ala Blade and Spawn, it is only a matter of time before a traditional 'white' superhero is redone as a different race. They did it with Green Lantern in the comic books, they'll do it in the movies. It will likely be Wonder Woman or Green Lantern. They already are going minority for Wonder Woman with rumors of Catherine Zeta Jones taking on the role.

If not Mumba what other darkie could you see as Wonder Woman? I said Beyone Knowles earlier in the thread but someone said 'overexposed.'

Dude, I'm black, and you are STRETCHING. Turning WW black is NOT a good way to reach out to the black community. If they really want to tap into the black community, they would make John Stewart, Black Lightning, Static and Vixen movies, because those heroes ALREADY have tons of fans in the black community.

And while I'm the last person to shout PC, "darkie" is pushing it, "Whitey." See? Not cool. (And if you happen not to be white, that still doesn't make it cool).

Also, the Beyonce thing was a way to avoid the race and lack of acting skills issues which came up when she mentioned she would be interested in playing Lois Lane (and I still think she would've been better than Kate Bos). Diana's ethnicity plays a big role in who she is, and having someone who couldn't possibly be related to greek gods in the mix is simply rediculous.

I'm not a Wonder Woman purists by a long shot: I think making her not fly, taking away the stars on her panties and giving her an origional villain are all okay. Changing her origin story just so a black actress can play her is a BAD idea. That said, Gabrielle Union or Zoe Saldana would make an outstanding Amazon Princesses and that including them in the film as supporting cast Amazons wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Mumba is too busy being an activist and making a REAL difference in the world to get into a franchise of summer blockbusters.

I like some of your ideas, but I think it's clear that changing Wonder Woman's ethnicity (of all people) is not an option. Furthermore, if it WERE an option, it would NOT be a good way to reach out to the black community when great already black characters continue to be ignored. And of course, we have no reason to believe that WB is trying to tap into the black Audience based on some five and ten year old movies. Their goal is to make money and black people in general enjoy movies starring white characters as much as those starring black characters... they have to, movies about black characters are just too rare... we'd be going to the theatres once a month, MAX.

AND, for the rest of you guys, I'm still questioning the number of Leaguers. It seems that we're just trying to cast, and we don't really care if it's not realistic for a character to appear before the third movie, am I correct?

AND are we saying that in order for a JLA film to work it has to have a LOTR budget? I'm fine with those concepts, and I find them remotely possible, but I don't like the idea that a single movie with a 100-200 mil budget can support 14 powered main characters. It's just rediculous.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Okay...

First of all, they aren't going to make any of those characters you mentioned into a movie. They would incur financial losses. The best you can hope for is Black Vulcan in a Justice League movie.

Second, it wouldn't be changing Wonder Woman's origins by having Mumba play her. Wonder Woman is from an Amazon warrior tribe and Mumba fits that role better than Liv Tyler(my second choice.) I say Mumba fits that role because 'have you seen the Time Machine?'

Thirdly, although Gabrielle Union is one hot colored girl she is no Wonder Woman.

 

[jrpstarwars]

How about these choices for Wonder Woman:

"Fu** you n****r! I'm Wonda' Woman!! - Angela Basset

"What are you talking about? I'm Wonder Woman!" - Whoopi Goldberg

"I'll show you Wonder Woman." - Halle Berry

WONDER WOOMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GL1]

Okay...

First of all, they aren't going to make any of those characters you mentioned into a movie. They would incur financial losses. The best you can hope for is Black Vulcan in a Justice League movie.

Second, it wouldn't be changing Wonder Woman's origins by having Mumba play her. Wonder Woman is from an Amazon warrior tribe and Mumba fits that role better than Liv Tyler(my second choice.) I say Mumba fits that role because 'have you seen the Time Machine?'

Thirdly, although Gabrielle Union is one hot colored girl she is no Wonder Woman.

Yes, Static and John Stewart have been horribly unsuccessful, and no one would dare go see a movie about a black character coughBladecough that they haven't heard of bef coughSpawncough before.

And it's simply impossible for me to take anyone who uses the word 'colored' seriously. I'm sorry, your opinion has been redered obsolete.