The Dark Knight Rises Casting Call (All Villains)

[markstrange]

Nolan's thought processes is this, it seems. His Joker, along with other characters, is meant to be the first, the original, the real deal. while the comic books and other movies and shows were mere interpretations of his joker. like Jack the Ripper, a real life killer, has been interpreted differently by different people on screen and on the page.

Its make all the difference in the world. For instance, Troy, a story that is usually told through the medium of fairytale, and folklore, was told through the medium of true history in 2004. I love it when they do that, I wished they do it more often.

 

[Crook]

How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

 

[markstrange]

How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

I hope your being sarcastic because its kind of obvious.

 

[cerealkiller182]

The original Joker (to my understanding) was a run of the mill mass murderer. This Joker is not that. Otherwise those 2 boats and both Dent and Rachel would be dead right now but they're not because its all a game to him much like most modern takes on the character

 

[Matt.S99]

So you're saying the original joker would have just killed them both just for the fun of it right?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

What about Armand Assante for Black Mask or Rupert Thorn? I'm watching Judge Dredd now(terrible film I know!). But he was the best thing about it, really menacing and seemed really into it.

 

[Laderlappen]

If that's the original Joker, I prefer Heath's Joker.

 

[cerealkiller182]

So you're saying the original joker would have just killed them both just for the fun of it right?

I dont think im the end all be all of the classic first issue comics so I could be wrong, but pretty much thats what it sounds like.

Ive read that the comic code made him more clownish and as they got more modern and such up to the new status quo, he stayed clownish but reverted to his more violent ways.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

He started off as a killer, in the 60s he became more of a clownish trickster, then in the mid to late seventies they started writing him as a mass murdering clown again.

 

[Crook]

I hope your being sarcastic because its kind of obvious.

Obvious that your analysis made no sense? Nolan's Joker is the "true" Joker, and everything else are mere interpretations or copies? Despite Nolan's take being the latest take?

Yeah, ok.

 

[lostman711]

Christina Hendricks as Poison Ivy

 

[tyler-durden]

Agreed lostman711, that's one casting choice I would want to see on screen

 

[Cunning Stunts]

The original Joker (to my understanding) was a run of the mill mass murderer. This Joker is not that. Otherwise those 2 boats and both Dent and Rachel would be dead right now but they're not because its all a game to him much like most modern takes on the character

Actually, I would say Heath's was a more vintage take on The Joker. The Joker in old comics (if I understood correctly) tended to have more "fun" with his crimes, much as Heath did in The Dark Knight.

Lately, we're seeing less and less of that because writers are becoming less and less creative. Very rarely anymore do we see The Joker's intellect... We too often only get his crazed, mass-murdering side with zero twist to it.

The Joker's not crazy, he's wildly intelligent. I've read before that a writer (Alex Ross, I believe) writes The Joker so that he plans everything out to go according to set plan, and constantly plays the "crazy card" so he'll never get the death sentence. Things only happen because The Joker wants them to happen, until someone more intelligent and resourceful- Batman- can stop him.

 

[sabetoonth]

wow
and refering to the joker based on waht you just posted

"i did not know that about myself"- Ron white

 

[lostman711]

Thanks tyler-durden and once again Elizabeth Banks as Vicki Vale I said so since day one (I know she ain't a villain)

 

[Backdrifter]

I like that choice for Poison Ivy, Hendricks.

I think Poison Ivy would be the perfect choice for the next Batman film. I will admit, my own bias against global warming leads me to this, but an extreme environmental eco-terrorist would be great. She wants to 'purge' Gotham and return reset the balance of nature or whatever. You can really show just how fanatical people can get about all of this. Maybe Poison Ivy can start of being the name of the terrorist organization and Pamela Isley is in charge of it. I dunno, just an idea.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I've never liked Poison Ivy, and if she was in it, I would hope it would be a small role. We need someone that can measure up to the kind of terror Mister J instilled in Gotham.

 

[markstrange]

Obvious that your analysis made no sense? Nolan's Joker is the "true" Joker, and everything else are mere interpretations or copies? Despite Nolan's take being the latest take?

Yeah, ok.

Now your just being dumb, Its obvious that I was not talking literally. Basically what I was saying, two year old, is that this joker (Nolan's Joker) is supposed to be "Real Life" joker not comic book joker.

 

[Crook]

Now your just being dumb

*You're.

Its obvious that I was not talking literally. Basically what I was saying, two year old, is that this joker (Nolan's Joker) is supposed to be "Real Life" joker not comic book joker.

However you want to interpret it, it leads to the same statement; TDK Joker is the "real/true" Joker and everything else is an "interpretation" of that incarnation. Which is...bullcrap. Even the Nolans admitted to using an amalgam of the comic books to create their version of the character.

TDK Joker is more grounded in realism. I get it. That doesn't make it any more "real life" or "less comic book", especially since the character has been reinvented so many times in literature already.

 

[Backdrifter]

I've never liked Poison Ivy, and if she was in it, I would hope it would be a small role. We need someone that can measure up to the kind of terror Mister J instilled in Gotham.

What if she tried to flood the city by breaking a damn or something? I don't know. You can do a lot of stuff with eco-terrorism. Maybe she lets all of the animals out of the zoo. That wouldn't be her ultimate plot, but one of the things that she does.

 

[Changeling]

Riddler: Casey Affleck

Catwoman: Charlize Theron

Mad Hatter: Timothy Spall

Penguin: Phillip Seymour Hoffmann

Talia Al Ghul: Rachel Weisz

Bane: Javier Bardem

Killer Croc: Ron Pearlman

 

[Changeling]

Oh and Ben Foster would be BA for a reboot

 

[Matt.S99]

Ba?

 

[markstrange]

*You're.


However you want to interpret it, it leads to the same statement; TDK Joker is the "real/true" Joker and everything else is an "interpretation" of that incarnation. Which is...bullcrap. Even the Nolans admitted to using an amalgam of the comic books to create their version of the character.

TDK Joker is more grounded in realism. I get it. That doesn't make it any more "real life" or "less comic book", especially since the character has been reinvented so many times in literature already.

I'm sorry but yes it does. In reality, yes of course it was based on the comics... It would be beyond stupid to say other wise, but that is not what my point is. My point is that this joker is written as a real life person, like Jack the Ripper or Ted Bundy or Charles Manson and not a comic book villain. Which is awesome!

 

[cerealkiller182]

Well thats not what you said at all. You said "is meant to be the first, the original, the real deal" not implying realistic joker but the first and true portrayal of the joker. But at least your clear now I guess