CBR Poll... Spider-Man married or single?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I actually fully agree with that TMOB. On top of all the awful, evil crap Norman had done to peter's life, adding the rape of the love of his life would have been the icing on the cake and really solidified norman as an evil ****. Although, it definitely would've made the story very very dark and controversial, i can see why marvel wouldnt go down that route.

Controversy can be a very bad thing sometimes.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Haven't really been reading this thread, just skimming...
...but I wanted to point out that THIS, right here, is one of the really CHEAP shots that people take on the internet when they don't like something:
Paraphrasing a scene they don't like, telling it in their own voice, in the worst possible way.
I can't stand this practice, because (like a game of "telephone"/"Chinese Whispers") someone else ALWAYS thinks that that's the ACTUAL dialogue and/or scenario, and, like ripples in a pond, starts spreading that horribly rewritten version around the internet as if THAT'S what was in the book.

Look, if you're going to use quotation marks, can you please go to the extra effort of using the ACTUAL quotes?
If I'm going to be damned for bad writing, can it at least be my OWN and not YOUR version of it?

I no longer own the comic to take the actual quotes from but I can see your point. Though to be fair, people were complaining about those scenes (mostly the MJ one) since the day the comic came out. I don't think it needs any extra motivation on my part.

And for the Peter-looking-for-a-place-to-live beat...
Yeah. It IS tired and old. That was the POINT of that sequence.
It was Pete going "THIS AGAIN?!"
And, by the end of the issue, there's a resolve that that's NOT what the Big Time run was going to be about.
The thing that you're railing against is the EXACT reason why that sequence was in the 1st issue-- because the STORY was railing against it too.

And I understand that. But MoB asked for Man-Child examples from the past two years and that scenerio worked for the request. And while it is good that you've moved Peter beyond that we'd be fooling ourselves if we believed that this status quo was going to stick. Eventually some writer or editor are going to come along and say, "You know, Peter working in a lab making booku money just doesnt' ring out with the every man crowd that we're going for. Let's get that ol' Parker luck/spectre of Spider-Man and nip that in the bud. He needs to be broke. It's bad economy afterall." I like the direction but it's a passing thing.

 

[Dan_Slott]

And I understand that. But MoB asked for Man-Child examples from the past two years and that scenerio worked for the request. And while it is good that you've moved Peter beyond that we'd be fooling ourselves if we believed that this status quo was going to stick. Eventually some writer or editor are going to come along and say, "You know, Peter working in a lab making booku money just doesnt' ring out with the every man crowd that we're going for. Let's get that ol' Parker luck/spectre of Spider-Man and nip that in the bud. He needs to be broke. It's bad economy afterall." I like the direction but it's a passing thing.

So... One of your problems with the book ISN'T where it IS or where it's GOING...
...but where you FEAR it MIGHT go.
Well, not much I can do about THAT.

 

[SpideyInATree]

So... One of your problems with the book ISN'T where it IS or where it's GOING...
...but where you FEAR it MIGHT go.
Well, not much I can do about THAT.

And JH doesn't like fart jokes. Stop writing all those fart jokes, Dan!

 

[Dan_Slott]

And JH doesn't like fart jokes. Stop writing all those fart jokes, Dan!

Did I do any beyond the 1 in #648...?
So confused.
:-P

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Are you a member in every forum on the internet Dan? I see your trail almost everywhere I go

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ He's part of Comic Book Resources as well.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Did I do any beyond the 1 in #648...?
So confused.
:-P

I don't know. I can't remember Peter doing any fart jokes. It was just another one of JH's examples of why he thinks Peter is a man child.

 

[JewishHobbit]

So... One of your problems with the book ISN'T where it IS or where it's GOING...
...but where you FEAR it MIGHT go.
Well, not much I can do about THAT.

Unfortunately, that's one of the bi-products of OMD. Any status quo that moves Spider-Man forward will inevitably be reversed in time so why bother? It doesn't matter if the story progresses, he can only reach a certain point before he apparently HAS to be regressed. With that in mind I find no reason to care about the character or to invest time in witnessing his pointless progression.

Now that's not a slight against you. Though I personaly feel your grasp on the character is flawed (and that's only my opinion of course) you're telling good stories. I just can't invest in the character anymore with how his history no longer matters and how this current history will eventually no longer matter as well.

Frankly, I'm at a point to where with the exception of a few titles, I don't really enjoy anything I'm reading. The constant regression in comics (depending on what decade the writers and editors first became fans) has just embittered me against the whole genre and I can't make myself give a crap about anyone on the page. I don't really know why I still buy them to be honest. I know it's crappy to say but I honestly root for some sort of bankrupsy or something... at least with Marvel since they're the ones I feel most burned by.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Did I do any beyond the 1 in #648...?
So confused.
:-P

I want to say there was a second one but I could be wrong on that. My memory is shot.

 

[JewishHobbit]

And JH doesn't like fart jokes. Stop writing all those fart jokes, Dan!

He can write them all he wants now... I'm not reading the book. I might pick up the Daredevil crossover if I haven't dropped Daredevil by then but that's about it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^^ He's part of Comic Book Resources as well.

Seen him there, he even posted on the Moon Knight thread I started, that's awesome

 

[Dan_Slott]

Unfortunately, that's one of the bi-products of OMD.

No. That's YOUR reaction to OMD. That's different. Other people seem to be able to get past that.

Any status quo that moves Spider-Man forward will inevitably be reversed in time so why bother? It doesn't matter if the story progresses, he can only reach a certain point before he apparently HAS to be regressed. With that in mind I find no reason to care about the character or to invest time in witnessing his pointless progression.

What you're describing isn't JUST Spider-Man. That can happen to ANY character in ANY serialized comic at ANY time. Maybe you're just jaded on the ENTIRE medium?

I just can't invest in the character anymore with how his history no longer matters and how this current history will eventually no longer matter as well.

One of the things that readers say that they like about the run is that we touch on practically EVERY era of Spider-Man's history. We are constantly referencing events and stories in Spidey's life from EVERY decade. Spider-Man's history matters a LOT in the current run-- and it does matter.

Frankly, I'm at a point to where with the exception of a few titles, I don't really enjoy anything I'm reading. The constant regression in comics (depending on what decade the writers and editors first became fans) has just embittered me against the whole genre and I can't make myself give a crap about anyone on the page.

But oddly enough, you say you like Daredevil. Technically you could say that Waid & crew have "regressed" DD back to his Stan Lee/Wally Wood roots-- and have undone all the "progression" the character has undergone from the Dark N' Gritty years of Frank Miller onward. If you were so inclined to argue that, you COULD, if you went after that book with the same determination that you go after Spidey.

I don't really know why I still buy them to be honest. I know it's crappy to say but I honestly root for some sort of bankrupsy or something... at least with Marvel since they're the ones I feel most burned by.

Since you see that others on this board enjoy the books, that IS a pretty crappy thing to say. If you feel that "burned" and angry about this, WHY keep coming onto these Spider-Man threads to complain? Why not just walk away from THAT too? Wouldn't you be happier? Unless, of course, you enjoy complaining.

 

[JewishHobbit]

No. That's YOUR reaction to OMD. That's different. Other people seem to be able to get past that.

I intended it to mean my reaction. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

What you're describing isn't JUST Spider-Man. That can happen to ANY character in ANY serialized comic at ANY time. Maybe you're just jaded on the ENTIRE medium?

I am jaded on the entire medium but Spider-Man is the character that I grew up with most and loved most. And whereas anyone in the industry can be regressed, Spider-Man is allowed the least chance of development because Marvel has it in their minds that he has to be a certain age and the every man that the fans relate to (which I don't see the purpose of). Yes, it's true that other comics can be regressed, they won't sting me as much as Spider-Man until they go through something as drastic as OMD.

One of the things that readers say that they like about the run is that we touch on practically EVERY era of Spider-Man's history. We are constantly referencing events and stories in Spidey's life from EVERY decade. Spider-Man's history matters a LOT in the current run-- and it does matter.

And I do like that about your run, but none of it matters. Twenty years from now any progression that you're making will be in one way or another undone. Spider-Man CANNOT move forward with life for too long before it's stripped of him. I'm glad that you are progressing with the character but inevitably Marvel's going to want to move him backwards once again and that rollercoaster doesn't interest me in the slightest.

That's not a criticism on your run but on Marvel's handling of the character in general.

But oddly enough, you say you like Daredevil. Technically you could say that Waid & crew have "regressed" DD back to his Stan Lee/Wally Wood roots-- and have undone all the "progression" the character has undergone from the Dark N' Gritty years of Frank Miller onward. If you were so inclined to argue that, you COULD, if you went after that book with the same determination that you go after Spidey.

Waid's regressed the FEEL of the book but not the STORY, which is the opposite of Spider-Man. After so many dark years, within the plot, Matt has decided to laugh at it. Waid has done an excellent job at PROGRESSIVELY changing the title and I'm more accepting of that than of Spider-Man's regressive change, though it's to be noted I do feel the book isn't as good as it was previously and I've already dropped it twice by issue 6 but keep coming back to it because I like the character.

More importantly though, I don't have a long history with Daredevil. I came on with Bendis. The only Daredevil comics I've read prior to Bendis was a two parter in the 90's with the Night Nurse and Smith's first 8 issues on the relaunched title (which I honestly didn't care for). So I don't have the level of attachment to Daredevil as I do Spider-Man.

In fact, the only characters I have a level of attachment to equal to Spider-Man is the X-Men and I've not been happy with them since Grant Morrison screwed them up with his last issue. The difference there, again, is that the X-Men have been PROGRESSIVELY changing... not regressing. I don't like the direction they've been taking but the story's been moving forward at least so I bear with it. Fortunately I'm seeing some light at the end of the tunnel recently.

Since you see that others on this board enjoy the books, that IS a pretty crappy thing to say. If you feel that "burned" and angry about this, WHY keep coming onto these Spider-Man threads to complain? Why not just walk away from THAT too? Wouldn't you be happier? Unless, of course, you enjoy complaining.

I hate complaining. I don't complain about anything else in life save comicbooks and I wish desperately I could just give them up. I feel like I'm addicted to the stupid things though. I've sold my collection here and there. At one time it was around 8,000 issues or so and now it's down to maybe 500 and just last night I was looking for more to sell. Not because I need the money but because I just don't want them anymore. And I sit down with my current buy list about once a week and pull up future solicits to find places to drop.

The problem is, it's not that I don't like the characters, it's that I don't like the company. Every behind the scenes thing at Marvel just makes me roll my eyes (and God knows I'm not alone there on these boards) and no matter how much I love the characters I know those people behind the scenes will screw it up every time. I don't want to support the company in the slightest, but I've been supporting the characters for far too long to just go cold turkey on them. I honestly don't know if I can ever look at comics how I did before I started reading interviews with editors and writers and seeing their hands in things instead of just reading the books for the stories inside. I'm BEGGING for a New52 sort of relaunch for the Marvel Universe, not because it needs it, but because it would undo the history I love and provide a point where I could either A) restart without the lingering attachments, or B) allow me to break away from Marvel entirely.

The only books I currently REALLY enjoy are Uncanny X-Force, Wolverine & the X-Men, and to a smaller extent X-23 (though that one's officially canceled). The rest of Marvel I read for various other reasons and it's becoming harder and harder to make the 30 minute drive to the comicshop every week.


Honestly, I hate how negative I am about comicbooks. You guys can't see this, obviously, but I'm a very positive person who tries to see the best in everyone and everything. I have a strong love of God and my family (read about it in the blog in my link) and really enjoy being positive. Get me around comics though and I'm very interested but very jaded. I'm not one of those angry comicbook fans that sit around the comicshop and laughs about how crappy things are. I go, I buy my books, and I leave. I barely even talk to anyone. I dodge my retailers because they ridicule Marvel on a constant basis and I don't like that, and yet here I am doing it online. Believe it or not, I've left here after arguming with you about Spider-Man and defended you there when they ridicule you. It makes no sense, I know, but I honesty am not a negative person. Maybe it's because I hope things will change and I will grow to love them again but under the current management I don't see that happening. Not until prices drop, quality improves, history is respected, and books gain their own identities and stop leaching off of others.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Seen him there, he even posted on the Moon Knight thread I started, that's awesome

Nice.

 

[Themanofbat]

Heh, heh... so I'm reading the Stan Lee Spider-Man strip that appears daily in the newspapers, and and they're married in the strip, and MJ just announces to Peter that she's going to pullin $10 000 a month for her acting role on Broadway, and he's litterally "bent" about it and acting very "man-child-like"....

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... .... hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[JewishHobbit]

But newspaper Peter isn't in contniuity!

 

[Themanofbat]

Don't you have a Diamond List to make?

 

[runawayboulder]

Don't you have a Diamond List to make?

^^^Too Late

 

[Themanofbat]

Mine is far superior, yet it'll be the one deleted...

 

[Kitsune]

Did I do any beyond the 1 in #648...?
So confused.
:-P

I think it was Fred Perry who said you have go light on the fart jokes... He only did the one in the old black and white Gold Digger series when Britanny learns how to change forms more than once per day. I have to agree on that... farts happen, but fart jokes get old really fast.