Comics Get ready people, JMS and Joe Q are planning ANOTHER Spider-Man event

[stillanerd]

Yes, folks, you read that heading right. In the latest issue of [url=http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazines/wizard/WZ20060425-onsale.cfm]Wizard Magazine[/url]:

JMS and Joe Quesada address Spider-Man's busy summer story, what they feel is off-kilter with Spidey right now and how they plan to team up in 2007 to "tear your heart out."

According to one guy over at [url=http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=121527&page=1&pp=15]CBR message boards [/url] who has already read the article, JMS will be doing the writing chores and Joe Q will be the artist for this mini. Apparently, they've sort of confessed that "The Other:Evolve or Die" and the "Iron Spidey" costume aren't working out as well as they had hoped they would (surprise, surprise) and so THIS TIME, they're going to address what they see as Spider-Man's problems and "fix them" with this mini. Oh, and once again, Joe Q makes Spidey's marriage to Mary Jane the scapegoat.

Wizard: What's the biggest problem with Spider-Man right now?

JOE: I've said it before: that darn marriage to Mary Jane. It has been one of the biggest problems in writing Spider-Man stories for new and younger readers. Let me put it clearly - Spider-Man is one of the greatest if not the greatest teen superhero ever created. He's supposed to be a young, viable, single character. And over the course of 40-some-odd years, as writers grew older and got married and stuff, they took Peter Parker along for the ride, forgetting about the fact that there were 9-year-olds who wanted to get into Peter Parker in the same way that they all did, which was a young guy. Peter grew old and married a supermodel. Peter became Billy Joel.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I give up...

 

[ragingdemon155]

Also, I really really hope that Joe wasn't stupid enough to make a comment about the marriage like that.

Seriously, the marriage between Peter and MJ is probably THE ONLY thing that fans in general are happy about. They've pretty much stripped Spidey of all the aspects of his character that we loved. I don't think he realizes that fans of the character have GROWN up also and would enjoy the character maturing along with them. If you want a "teen" Spider-man that's what USM is there for.

Spider-man can't be saved...The character's dead.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Joe Q please, just die!

 

[James"007"Bond]

Joe Q please, just die!

 

[Marc]

I give up...

I've given up, gone home and am now sitting in a dark corner shivering. I'd hang my head more but I can't get it lower than the floor, although I have tried headbutting it.

Stupidity is one thing, imposed ignorence another, but incessant ******ed decisions like these mean the world would be a better place without them. Where the fv-ck does joe get off telling the story of 'how things went wrong for spider-man' when he is directly responsable for the WORST period of spider-man, EVER! Where does crap get off telling perfume "you stink". I'm so sick of it, but there is nothing more I can do to stop this than dropping every spidey title which I have since issue #500. I would be willing to contribute twenty pounds or more to a save spidey campaign or hire a hitman collection... whatever.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

And this is why the Marvel fans (with brains) HATE Joey Q and JMS...
The problem is the disregard to the character... Spidey stopped being a teen when he became (20 MST)... during college... he can't stay 16 forever... no matter what Big Moron BendThis says... or Joe Quesadilla and Just Murdered Spidey say... the marriage is no the problem... This Unholy Trinity is... The A-hole, The hack, and the babbling foo'...

 

[3dman27]

i'm with you doc

 

[MaxCarnage]

JMS and Joe Quesada address Spider-Man's busy summer story, what they feel is off-kilter with Spidey right now and how they plan to team up in 2007 to "tear your heart out."

Again?

Is this metaphorical, as in they are going to make me weep at watching my favorite superhero be run so far into the ground that I can no longer recognize him, or literal, like when Morlun ripped out Peter's eye?

These two are so far out of touch with the fanbase it's gone beyond comical and become seriously pathetic. I'm telling you, if you want to stop this now before it's too late, you have to stop buying Spider-Man comics. I am thinking of canceling USM just so I am not contributing to Marvel anymore. I can't sit idly by and watch this garbage continue.

And what exactly is it about his marriage to MJ that makes him so hard to relate to for younger readers? If he weren't married, what would he be doing? Sleeping around? Is that relatable to nine-year-olds? I guess if he and MJ got divorced, 50% of the kids in America could relate to the situation, if not to Pete himself. Which is a sad statement in and of itself.

I want to smack some sense into Quesada. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't gain anymore sense, but at least I got to smack him.

 

[Norman Osborn]

and so THIS TIME, they're going to address what they see as Spider-Man's problems and "fix them" with this mini. Oh, and once again, Joe Q makes Spidey's marriage to Mary Jane the scapegoat.

Anyone else just shaking their heads at the irony of the bolded statement?......

Joe Q is a modern day Homer Simpson........I can actually envision him dancing around a silver age pic of Spidey burning, singing "I am so smart, I am so smart, S- M-RT, I mean S-M-A-R-T.....when does denial cross the line into "not mentally fit to stand trial?"

 

[shinlyle]

That....
****ing....
does it.....

JMS and Joe Q. are the biggest idiots on the planet. Period.

The "Other" and "Iron Spidey" aren't being as well-recieved as you had hoped?! NO ****, Sherlock?!?!

So...now, you have to do another mini, and milk more money out of a weary, and impoverished audience that doesn't trust you?! FAT CHANCE!!! I'm not buying it. You're going to "FIX" Spider-Man?! He wasn't broken until you two fat ****s started tinkering with his origin!!! Don't you get it?!!? You two are the freakin' problem!!! Not the fans....not the marriage, which was just hunky dory until you two decided that it was a "problem".

Spider-Man's supposed to be a teenager?! That's why you started up the Ultimate Universe, so kids could read about Spider-Man as a kid!! Even Stan Lee has said that he wanted Peter to grow up as the stories went along....and I'd think he should know what's best for the character....not a has-been artist turned Editor and a Sci-fi writer who has seen his heyday come and go.

Do us all a favor: Hire Geog Johns, Dan Slott, and keep Jeph Loeb around. Retcon the "Other" and every other piece of crap since JMS started it up, and hire an editor who knows something about freakin' continuity, you ass-wipes!!!

You guys would be GREAT mechanics.

Joe Q:"Hey, Joe..."

Joe S:"Yeah, Joe?"

Joe Q:"This thing keeps overheating. I think it's the radio."

Joe S:"Yeah, it's probably the radio. "

Joe Q:"This car hasn't been the same since those guys put a radio in it."

Joe S:"The radio ruined this car."

Car Owner: "Guys....couldn't it be the hole you two put in the radiator earlier?"

Joe Q: "No....it's the radio. It's what was always been wrong with the car."

Joe S: "Yeah, we know what we're doing here. Now....we're going to have to charge you for that hole we had to put in your radiator, and the new radio."

Car Owner 2: "LOL ROTL LMAO!! I lvoe having hles in my radiator! The mechanics are always right! We need a new radio! LOLROTFLMAO!!!"

Car Owner: "Sigh...it never ends...."

Now, that being said, it's time to gloat.

HAHA!! We told you "The Other" and "Iron Spidey" sucked! Make fun of us "Purist Geeks", will you?! Eat it, LOSERS!!

 

[deathshead2]

Hmm I guess I will never read spider-man as long as JMS is writing . When will the big events stop.

 

[The Joker]

So they recognise his marriage to MJ as a problem,and in the summer of next year they plan to tear our hearts out.

Hmmmm could it be the end of the marriage for MJ and Pete??

Either way I sense more lame and cheap shock value,right along the lines of the other trash they've thrown at us in the past 2 years.

 

[Mister J]

Christ. I was looking forward to 616 Spidey turning around in 2007. This doesn't look promising at all.

They're probably thinking of how to completely destroy MJ's character right now.

 

[deathshead2]

Christ. I was looking forward to 616 Spidey turning around in 2007. This doesn't look promising at all.

They're probably thinking of how to completely destroy MJ's character right now.

I bet she gets powers and gwen comes back.And we find out Peter is really Ben

 

[shinlyle]

It's all cheap shock value. That's all JMS and Joey Q know how to do. The thought of them actually having Spidey move forward scares the hell out of them, because they don't know how to do it. They only know how to screw up his past, and change who he is.

These imbeciles truly have no clue what they are doing anymore. You want to "shock" us? Try telling good stories with what is already there, you asses! Brubaker is doing it with Daredevil....and Captain America. Whedon is doing it with Astonishing X-Men. Dan Slott does it with She-Hulk, Spidey/Human Torch, and the Thing. It. Can. Be. Done.

The problem with JMS and Joey Q. is that they are far too lazy to think of anything new and exciting that doesn't totally shift Peter's life into areas it doesn't need to go. "Peter's dead girlfriend's kids are out to kill him!" "Peter is one of many Spider-Man throughout history" (which, for those idiot supporters out there, this was the same plot device behind the terrible "Catwoman" film a few years ago....how'd that go, again?). "Let's make Spider-Man Iron Man's sidekick".

All of these ideas are garbage. Everything these two have turned out for the past few years has been garbage. Yeah, the Hydra arc was good....and that's about it.

I can't even believe these two imbeciles. They should have died long ago from trying to re-invent the laws of physics by jumping off buildings until gravity no longer applied, or something.

I'm dropping FNSM and probably SSM. I can't take this **** anymore. Ultimate is all the Spidey I'm going to read from here on out. 616 Spidey is dead....they killed him off in FNSM #3, and I haven't seen a sign on his return, yet.

 

[Dragon]

What should we expect? It's what we've long seen on the horizon. These dolts can 't do anything but cheap gimmicks. They're the Siegfried & Roy of comics.

And scape-goating the marriage is again a step in the wrong direction and shows just how little grasp Joe Q has on storytelling. I've expressed my own displeasure with the Spider-Marriage. But- it isn't, as Joe Q makes it out to be that Spidey is married-at-all- merely the handling of the marriage. based on joe Q's thinking, spidey can't have a lasting relationship at all.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ya know, I ain't a big fan of retcons, so you know it's serious when I start sayin' RETCON THIS ****!

Th' only problem Marvel needs to fix with Spidey is th' jackasses runnin' things. That, and this new editorial policy of rippin' th' internet in half every year.

DC IS TAKING OVER, MORONS! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

 

[wolvie2020]

That....
****ing....
does it.....

JMS and Joe Q. are the biggest idiots on the planet. Period.

The "Other" and "Iron Spidey" aren't being as well-recieved as you had hoped?! NO ****, Sherlock?!?!

So...now, you have to do another mini, and milk more money out of a weary, and impoverished audience that doesn't trust you?! FAT CHANCE!!! I'm not buying it. You're going to "FIX" Spider-Man?! He wasn't broken until you two fat ****s started tinkering with his origin!!! Don't you get it?!!? You two are the freakin' problem!!! Not the fans....not the marriage, which was just hunky dory until you two decided that it was a "problem".


Spider-Man's supposed to be a teenager?! That's why you started up the Ultimate Universe, so kids could read about Spider-Man as a kid!! Even Stan Lee has said that he wanted Peter to grow up as the stories went along....and I'd think he should know what's best for the character....not a has-been artist turned Editor and a Sci-fi writer who has seen his heyday come and go.

Do us all a favor: Hire Geog Johns, Dan Slott, and keep Jeph Loeb around. Retcon the "Other" and every other piece of crap since JMS started it up, and hire an editor who knows something about freakin' continuity, you ass-wipes!!!

You guys would be GREAT mechanics.

Joe Q:"Hey, Joe..."

Joe S:"Yeah, Joe?"

Joe Q:"This thing keeps overheating. I think it's the radio."

Joe S:"Yeah, it's probably the radio. "

Joe Q:"This car hasn't been the same since those guys put a radio in it."

Joe S:"The radio ruined this car."

Car Owner: "Guys....couldn't it be the hole you two put in the radiator earlier?"

Joe Q: "No....it's the radio. It's what was always been wrong with the car."

Joe S: "Yeah, we know what we're doing here. Now....we're going to have to charge you for that hole we had to put in your radiator, and the new radio."

Car Owner 2: "LOL ROTL LMAO!! I lvoe having hles in my radiator! The mechanics are always right! We need a new radio! LOLROTFLMAO!!!"

Car Owner: "Sigh...it never ends...."

Now, that being said, it's time to gloat.

HAHA!! We told you "The Other" and "Iron Spidey" sucked! Make fun of us "Purist Geeks", will you?! Eat it, LOSERS!!

Yea!

 

[wolvie2020]

What I don't get is, WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY can't they see what the hell most of the world thinks!

When I was a kid, one of the greatest things I loved about Spidey comics was that he's married! I was a kid, and a HELL of a lot of the people here, and around the world that read Spider-Man comics were kids when they got married, and WE ALL BUY SPIDER-MAN comics!

When they tried to make her dissapear, fans were pissed and shouted until she came back! It was great moment for ALL Spidey fans when she got back with him! The whole damn reason that she was brought back was the fact that people HATED that she was gone!

Spidey was well into his 20's when I started reading, ALL Spider-Man animated shows since the 80's have had him as a YOUNG ADULT, in College! quite easily 20-21! Don't they ever think, WHY that is! People like Peter Parker as an adult!

WHERE IN THE HELL DOES THIS DAMN TEENAGE THING COME INTO PLACE!!!!!!!!!

As I grew older, and I thought I was going to read about other heroes, I found out Spidey was mature in the comics, which made me feel like I was reading mature work, about mature charachters! DO they not realise if write stories about whiny teenagers forever, readers get bored and think less of the work?

His ideas are so financially driven, to me it just sounds like he wants Spider-Man to be stuck in a perpetual state of The O.C. meets super heroes, this way, teenagers, (the people who have the most disposable income in the Western world,) will always pick up this soap opera comic book when they are a teenager, to find out about the MU, and then graduate to other charachters

Even Hollywood knew it was a bad idea to keep him really young for too long a time. He's only in High School for the 1st half of the 1st movie!

Damn... 1st hayfever, now this!

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Somehow WE'LL get the blame (as well as the Pete &MJ Marriage) if it flops... which most likely will... See T3h 0th3r and T3h 1r0n 5p1d3r suit... God! I hate 733t speak... almost as much as what the unholy trinity is doing to Pete...

 

[shinlyle]

What I don't get is, WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY can't they see what the hell most of the world thinks!

When I was a kid, one of the greatest things I loved about Spidey comics was that he's married! I was a kid, and a HELL of a lot of the people here, and around the world that read Spider-Man comics were kids when they got married, and WE ALL BUY SPIDER-MAN comics!

When they tried to make her dissapear, fans were pissed and shouted until she came back! It was great moment for ALL Spidey fans when she got back with him! The whole damn reason that she was brought back was the fact that people HATED that she was gone!

Spidey was well into his 20's when I started reading, ALL Spider-Man animated shows since the 80's have had him as a YOUNG ADULT, in College! quite easily 20-21! Don't they ever think, WHY that is! People like Peter Parker as an adult!

WHERE IN THE HELL DOES THIS DAMN TEENAGE THING COME INTO PLACE!!!!!!!!!

As I grew older, and I thought I was going to read about other heroes, I found out Spidey was mature in the comics, which made me feel like I was reading mature work, about mature charachters! DO they not realise if write stories about whiny teenagers forever, readers get bored and think less of the work?

His ideas are so financially driven, to me it just sounds like he wants Spider-Man to be stuck in a perpetual state of The O.C. meets super heroes, this way, teenagers, (the people who have the most disposable income in the Western world,) will always pick up this soap opera comic book when they are a teenager, to find out about the MU, and then graduate to other charachters

Even Hollywood knew it was a bad idea to keep him really young for too long a time. He's only in High School for the 1st half of the 1st movie!

Damn... 1st hayfever, now this!

The sad thing is, many of the people that will join us by b****ing and complaining will STILL buy this crap!! What the hell?! People continue to buy this crap that they hate, and they wonder why the comics are utter crap?! Morons...

As for the "Married Spidey" thing, I'm one of those that grew up with a married Spider-Man, and that's how I've always thought of him! It made him a little more realistic to me. Also, if you really want to make Peter seem old, then make him a Divorcee or a Widower. Oh yeah....so many kids can relate to a bitter divorcee Spider-man or a Widower Peter Parker.....jackasses.

The readers grow up. They grow up and get married and have kids and get jobs and have hardships and change jobs and move around...and there's no reason that Spider-Man, the character we all can relate to, shouldn't go through the same changes as the rest of us.

Joe Q and JMS should go back and read the Essentials. Start from the beginning and work their way up....Maybe then, they'll remember how good it felt to see Peter graduate High School, get a girlfriend, move out of his Aunt's house, lose his first love tragically, move on, fall in love, get married...

Maybe if they go through all of that with Peter, like we have, maybe then they'll see that Peter has earned, at the very least, the right to some happiness with a wife who loves him....and yes, it should be Mary Jane Watson-Parker.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I've actually come to a decision. Th' day this mini hits th' stands is when I drop th' Spider-books. Well, ASM an' possibly Friendly. Have to see about Sensational. Fer right now, I'm stickin' with it fer Civil War.

And I said it once, I'll say it again; if I could get a hottie, so could Peter Parker. So lay th' **** off th' marriage, you dumb ****s.

 

[Eye Doc]

I've gone on record as saying that I like MJ, but i think the Parker marriage was bit rushed and has never really lived up to it's potential. That said, I don't think Peter being married is the "biggest problem" with Spider-Man. The main problem stems from the point that the stories just aren't that good.

If you take MJ out of all of the big events of the past several yrs., it wouldn't change a thing. The Other, Sins Past, and the Ezekiel arc all failed to satisfy in the end because they were average to mediocre at best. Each started with an interesting premise, but the resolutions all fell flat bc the were anticlimatic or just plain ill conceived.

To make matters worse, the classic supporting cast has all but vanished. No significant additions have been added in years. Peter only has meaningful interaction with MJ and May. That's it. Flash has just returned in FNS, but he's been around for about 3 issues, and nothing has happened yet. Jonah, Robbie, Liz, and Betty no longer play a significant no role in pete's life. Peter's personal life use to be interesting. He's a teacher now but I couldn't name one person he works with. The above things have hurt Peter far more than the marriage has.

The villian portrayals are weak. Norman and Venom have become jokes. We haven't seen an introduction of a meaningful villian in years. his rogues gallery is probably comics' best, but you can't tell by the way they're written these days.

I've never thought MJ is a necessity in Spider-Man. But if Marvel doesn't address the points above, getting rid of her isn't going to make things right again.

Eye Doc

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

It's never been about makin' things right...it's simply them living out their fanboy vendettas finally.