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Comics Get ready people, JMS and Joe Q are planning ANOTHER Spider-Man event

Gregatron, the Ultimate Line of Spider-Man was created for the purpose of "starting young again, pre-marriage, etc." and should have been enough to satiate those that want a young Spider-Man and, at the same time, make sure the 616 continuity stays as perfect as possible, where he would keep growing.

That would seem to have been the initial reasoning for Ultimate Line.

Spider-Man comics, to me and many others would have been very boring if he always remained young or if he was retrofitted as such.

I think you make a lot of valid points, everyone knows that, but your wish is/was an extreme one. There has to be a compromise and everyone who knows the history knows that if the writers and editors just respected 'it ' and wrote within continuity, insteading of making up whatever their lazy behinds want to make up, then you could have Young Spider-Man and Growing Spider-Man both being successful publications for two completely different markets.

Instead, it seems the Ultimate line is mostly read by the same jaded 616 history buffs that are just happy a comic is staying within its continuity.

Well, it isn't that hard to do that in 616, as we have all posted to death.

-Clone Saga, we know it dragged to long.
-Found a scapegoat in Norman
-Turned Norman into Spider-Mans' 'Joker.'
-Mackie burnt out writing too many issues, with management telling him what the major plots will be.

Those things happened, but they could have been easily rectified.

Instead the Snowballing hype and guaranteed success of the movies, and an editor and writer that care very little for theme and continuity crapped all over Spider-Man 616 comics, instead of quickly and easily fixing the above missteps, within continuity.

JMS and Quesada lost Spider-Mans' timeline, personality, supporting cast, and individuality from the movie counterpart(made for the masses).

Spider-Man comics could have been returned to Silver Age glory, which was still present well within Peters' marraige (IMHO).

You don't have to go back to Young Spider-Man only, to acheive that.
 
Gregatron said:
Peter may have been the marrying type, but that doesn't mean he should have been married off by his creators.


The inherent problem is that the marriage has now become a seemingly permanent--and almost intractable--part of Spider-Man's identity. Things have become warped so gradually over so long, that's who he is now.


But that doesn't mean it's who he should be.


and what 30 year old is the same as they were at 15??????
Life happens to warp what we have become as people. Every experience, every moment changes us from the person we once was.
 
roach said:
and what 30 year old is the same as they were at 15??????
Life happens to warp what we have become as people. Every experience, every moment changes us from the person we once was.


Peter. Is. A. Fictional. Character.

Not. A. Real. Person.
 
Gregatron said:
Peter. Is. A. Fictional. Character.

Not. A. Real. Person.

I. KNOW. THAT. BUT. AS. MUCH. AS. YOU. DONT. LIKE. IT. HE. IS. "GROWING". HE. WENT. FROM. TEENAGER. TO. YOUNGMAN. AND. THEN. INTO. ADULT. AFTERWHICH. HE. GOT. MARRIED. YOU. MENTIONED. THAT. HIM. BEING. MARRIED. HAS. WARPED. THE. CHARACTER. I. WAS. MERELY. SHOWING. HOW. MARRIAGE. DOES.THAT
 
roach said:
I. KNOW. THAT. BUT. AS. MUCH. AS. YOU. DONT. LIKE. IT. HE. IS. "GROWING". HE. WENT. FROM. TEENAGER. TO. YOUNGMAN. AND. THEN. INTO. ADULT. AFTERWHICH. HE. GOT. MARRIED. YOU. MENTIONED. THAT. HIM. BEING. MARRIED. HAS. WARPED. THE. CHARACTER. I. WAS. MERELY. SHOWING. HOW. MARRIAGE. DOES.THAT


If I'm not mistaken, that heavy-handed attempt to mock my last post means that you feel the marriage has warped the character. Which means we're on the same page. Which means you've taken the first step towards your moment of clarity.
 
Gregatron said:
If I'm not mistaken, that heavy-handed attempt to mock my last post means that you feel the marriage has warped the character. Which means we're on the same page. Which means you've taken the first step towards your moment of clarity.


It was semi heavy heanded...more medium handed:spidey:

Marriage changes everyone...even fictional characters. Is Peter still trying to score that hot date?????
Peter's life has been nothing but change. Is Peter before the bite the same as Peter after the bite???? As was mentioned before Peter under Stan Lee grew up.
 
Gregatron said:
Peter. Is. A. Fictional. Character.

Not. A. Real. Person.

He's not a cartoon, he's a fictional character that imitates real characters, so like people he is allowed to grow. If you want the same damn character with absolutely no development over the last 40 yrs stick with Bugs Bunny.
 
roach said:
It was semi heavy heanded...more medium handed:spidey:

Marriage changes everyone...even fictional characters. Is Peter still trying to score that hot date?????
Peter's life has been nothing but change. Is Peter before the bite the same as Peter after the bite???? As was mentioned before Peter under Stan Lee grew up.

Agreed. Peter under Stan Lee was always meant to grow and develop. I don't see why Quesada seems "disturbed" by that. There are so many possibilities and storylines that have yet to be explored with the marriage between Peter/MJ. The character can get married and so on without seeming "old" which is obviously what Marvel is afraid of.

Also, what the heck is up with Marvel afraid of "losing" the young fanbase by making Peter mature? Hell, I NEVER see children in Midtown Comics or any other comic shops I've gone into nowadays. Children hardly read anymore...let alone comics.

If you want a young "highschool" like Peter Parker...read USM, that's what its there for.
 
Agreed. Honestly what 9 yr olds is Joe Q even talking about??? :confused:
Shows how much of an out of touch idiot he is; he doesn't even know who reads his own comics.
 
Gregatron said:
Peter may have been the marrying type, but that doesn't mean he should have been married off by his creators.

The inherent problem is that the marriage has now become a seemingly permanent--and almost intractable--part of Spider-Man's identity. Things have become warped so gradually over so long, that's who he is now.

But that doesn't mean it's who he should be.
I don't disagree with everything you post... but on THIS issue... the growth/marriage thing, you have a major blind spot. You have to ignore so much to cling to that position. And it's getting a little tedious... how do you have time to make all these long posts, harping on the same thing?

Let me repeat myself...

He's Peter Parker NOT Peter Pan.

Answer a simple yes or no...

Did Stan Lee create the character?

Do you think Stan Lee knew the character?

Did Stan Lee "grow" the character?

Did Stan have Peter graduate from high school in ASM #28?

Did Stan have Peter thinking about marriage before he even graduated from high school?

Did Peter want to marry Gwen?

Did Peter propose to MJ more than once?

Did Peter daydream about being married to Felicia, even picturing their KIDS and dog?

Did Peter ever break up with a girl because he knew a marriage wouldn't work out between them?

Did Stan mean for Peter to marry someday?

Dude... wake up and smell the character development.

 
Captivated said:
I don't disagree with everything you post... but on THIS issue... the growth/marriage thing, you have a major blind spot. You have to ignore so much to cling to that position. And it's getting a little tedious... how do you have time to make all these long posts, harping on the same thing?

Let me repeat myself...

He's Peter Parker NOT Peter Pan.

Answer a simple yes or no...

Did Stan Lee create the character?

Do you think Stan Lee knew the character?

Did Stan Lee "grow" the character?

Did Stan have Peter graduate from high school in ASM #28?

Did Stan have Peter thinking about marriage before he even graduated from high school?

Did Peter want to marry Gwen?

Did Peter propose to MJ more than once?

Did Peter daydream about being married to Felicia, even picturing their KIDS and dog?

Did Peter ever break up with a girl because he knew a marriage wouldn't work out between them?

Did Stan mean for Peter to marry someday?

Dude... wake up and smell the character development.


lol! :up:
 
Spidey wears red and blue tights not LoZelda Link cosplay nightmare... Spidey usually works alone... He doesn't work with a fairy... Pan Flies... Parker... um Swang... now he "9L1d35" thanks to t3h R081n su1t... but that's not the case... Greg discover the grey spots... not everything is black or white...
 
that is one of the things I love about Peter...we have seen this character grow from boy to man....in the same way Luke Skywalker is my favorite character(he went from farmboy to jedi knight to jedi master). Name another comic character that has grown like that.
 
Doc_OCK_4MUGEN said:
Spidey wears red and blue tights not LoZelda Link cosplay nightmare... Spidey usually works alone... He doesn't work with a fairy... Pan Flies... Parker... um Swang... now he "9L1d35" thanks to t3h R081n su1t... but that's not the case... Greg discover the grey spots... not everything is black or white...
At the risk of sounding out of it... "9L1d35" thanks to t3h R081n su1t?? Je ne comprends pas. :confused:
 
Captivated said:
At the risk of sounding out of it... "9L1d35" thanks to t3h R081n su1t?? Je ne comprends pas. :confused:

"Glides thanks to the Robin suit."

Damn me for being able to read that...
 
So if they end the marriage in 2007 after outing his identity in 2006, what will they do for their big event shake-up of 2008?
 
I hate Leetspeak almost as much as I hate the crap that's happening on Spidey and to express my hatred I combine both Leetspeak and the crap I hate on Spidey... and Max Carnage you got it wrong... It's "Glides thanks to TEH Robin suit... teh is intentional...
 
So if they end the marriage in 2007 after outing his identity in 2006, what will they do for their big event shake-up of 2008?
A bullet to Peter's brain?
 
ragingdemon155 said:
That couldn't stop him.

The Iron Spidey suit is bulletproof...so he would survive.:rolleyes:

True, but the impact would cause him to be mentally handicapped forever!

This will lead to Spidey's next costume: Helmet-Spidey! Spidey will be mentally challenged and still have to fight crime....all while wearing a helmet to protect him from further damage to the cranium!!!
 
Doc_OCK_4MUGEN said:
I hate Leetspeak almost as much as I hate the crap that's happening on Spidey and to express my hatred I combine both Leetspeak and the crap I hate on Spidey... and Max Carnage you got it wrong... It's "Glides thanks to TEH Robin suit... teh is intentional...

I understood the 'teh' to be intentional, thus a translation was warranted. Otherwise, it would have been a simple spelling correction, and I am above such things. ;)
 
Captivated said:
I don't disagree with everything you post... but on THIS issue... the growth/marriage thing, you have a major blind spot. You have to ignore so much to cling to that position. And it's getting a little tedious... how do you have time to make all these long posts, harping on the same thing?

Let me repeat myself...

He's Peter Parker NOT Peter Pan.

Answer a simple yes or no...

Did Stan Lee create the character?

Do you think Stan Lee knew the character?

Did Stan Lee "grow" the character?

Did Stan have Peter graduate from high school in ASM #28?

Did Stan have Peter thinking about marriage before he even graduated from high school?

Did Peter want to marry Gwen?

Did Peter propose to MJ more than once?

Did Peter daydream about being married to Felicia, even picturing their KIDS and dog?

Did Peter ever break up with a girl because he knew a marriage wouldn't work out between them?

Did Stan mean for Peter to marry someday?

Dude... wake up and smell the character development.


Heehee... I love you, Cap. In a platonic way, of course. ;)
 
Thanks. :)
In these uncertain times it's comforting to see so much support for the Spider-marriage.
 
Captivated said:
I don't disagree with everything you post... but on THIS issue... the growth/marriage thing, you have a major blind spot. You have to ignore so much to cling to that position. And it's getting a little tedious... how do you have time to make all these long posts, harping on the same thing?

Let me repeat myself...

He's Peter Parker NOT Peter Pan.

Answer a simple yes or no...

Did Stan Lee create the character?

Do you think Stan Lee knew the character?

Did Stan Lee "grow" the character?

Did Stan have Peter graduate from high school in ASM #28?

Did Stan have Peter thinking about marriage before he even graduated from high school?

Did Peter want to marry Gwen?

Did Peter propose to MJ more than once?

Did Peter daydream about being married to Felicia, even picturing their KIDS and dog?

Did Peter ever break up with a girl because he knew a marriage wouldn't work out between them?

Did Stan mean for Peter to marry someday?

Dude... wake up and smell the character development.


And THAT ladies and gentleman is why you don't mess with Texas...especially a woman from Texas. Right Captivated? :)

LarryLegend said:
So if they end the marriage in 2007 after outing his identity in 2006, what will they do for their big event shake-up of 2008?

All Spider-Man continuity from the Secret Wars to the present is erased (or maybe just after the Death of Gwen Stacy) and those events are moved forward and tied into the present, meaning the rest of the Marvel Universe is the same except for Spidey, who is now an umarried college student once more. To quote a song from the Rocky Horror Picture Show: "Let's Do the Time-Warp Again!"
 

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