Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther! - Part 5

[Silvermoth]

Heights never important. It's the easiest thing to fake on camera

 

[CaptainWagner]

But if you do that, people will just think that Monica is Jane 2.0. I think making her an agent is a more interesting route, and not another ordinary girl who a heir-to-the-throne prince finds fascinating because she's so different than anybody he knew back home.

I just wish they would have actually utilized that plot point in Thor 2. It wound up just being brushed over by Portman being utterly bored the whole film and the apparebt need to spend as little time on Asgard as possible.

 

[Mike Murdock]

So how does one feel about Wakanda in the MCU being portrayed like Japan minus the pro Fascist imperialism? Take that away and both countries are very similar in many ways. Both were never conquered by Europeans or (in the case of Japan, the Chinese). Japan is a highly advanced society but it also has a lot of village life as well, which is how I think Wakanda should be portrayed in the MCU.

Wakanda should not be portrayed as a backwards society, but more along the lines of Japan and I think that's the route they go with Wakanda.

Japan is a good analogy (although Japanese fascination with western culture is something that should be avoided). To make the analogy clearer, there's Tokyo Japan and Kyoto Japan. Wakandan society should be technologically advanced and impressive (like Tokyo is) and then there's a more traditional area (like Kyoto). The only difference, of course, is the traditional appearance would draw more on African cultures than Asian ones. It's important to keep in mind that Africa has a wide variety. They should look for something that feels more than a stereotype.

 

[Paradox1]

The only real inspiration for Wakanda is the Kingdom of Kush regonized by histiorians as an independent entity in 1070bc. It's was a ancient African state that was a neighbor of Egypt. It even ruled over it for centuries and many pharohs were from there. Including the pharoh Will Smith is trying to make that movie about who to came to aid of the Jews when the Asseryians tried to conquer them. It was also one of the most advanced civilizations in antiquity. It was the first African culture to not only trade iron but weaponize it. Teaching others the same techniques they had mastered. It is a lesser known than it rivals at the time Egypt, Rome, and Greece but it was important as all the others.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, Kush is cool, but I don't think it's the look one would be going for with Wakanda. You'd want something Subsaharan (at least in the Sahel Zone if not more south). If we were OK with North Africa, wouldn't Egypt be a more obvious comparison? Besides, Africa has a ton of impressive ancient cultures. It's a bit more recent, but let's not forget about Great Zimbabew.

 

[Paradox1]

Well, Kush is cool, but I don't think it's the look one would be going for with Wakanda. You'd want something Subsaharan (at least in the Sahel Zone if not more south). If we were OK with North Africa, wouldn't Egypt be a more obvious comparison? Besides, Africa has a ton of impressive ancient cultures. It's a bit more recent, but let's not forget about Great Zimbabew.

i did say as an inspiration for Wakanda. So where Kush was located is really of no consquence. However what I was trying to come across was that much of Kush's history could be adapted into Wakanda's but splinters off somewhere into this new history. Egypt could be but for me it's to great of a known history and culture.

Btw The kingdom of Zimbalwe is cool but I don't know if it's old enough of a civilizations.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, as far as style goes, I'm not a fan of using north African styles. That means Kush, Egypt, all the way to Mali and Ghana. I'd rather something a little more southern. It gives a more unique look.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think Kush altered history with a subsaharan location and a Japan effect sounds pretty doggone cool.

 

[T"Challa]

Man, they need to announce this movie already..lol

 

[CaptainWagner]

More than Wakanda itself, I would want the filmmakers to capture the essence of the man...all that makes T'Challa who he is: son, brother, lover, champion, genius, scientist, engineer, warrior, hero, Avenger...king. And, of course, his flaws too...ego, pride, anger, etc. More than anything else, I want a well-rounded, fleshed out Black Panther.

I think the anger and the recklessness it leads to would be an important flaw to show. We already have Tony dealing with ego issues.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

I'm not sure really matters with a woman as much it does with a man when it comes to height. I like Beharie a lot and she's really good in Sleepy Hollow. She would be a great Monica Rambeau but not Storm due to her height but I wouldn't mind her as Storm. She fits the character far more then Halle Berry(whom I love but not for Storm) does. Also the actress that plays her sister in Hollow as well would be a good choice. Don't know her name have to look her up.

Lyndie Greenwood is the actress you're thinking of - which is funny, because she recently did a podcast with This Week In Marvel where she talked about her love of the character Storm.

I think she'd be great in the role of Storm if there was ever the opportunity.

 

[Nokio]

Lyndie Greenwood is the actress you're thinking of - which is funny, because she recently did a podcast with This Week In Marvel where she talked about her love of the character Storm.

I think she'd be great in the role of Storm if there was ever the opportunity.

She's fits better the Berry by a mile.

 

[RockSP]

Get this guy as Panther's stuntman, lol: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=673095819380147

 

[Nokio]

Get this guy as Panther's stuntman, lol: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=673095819380147

Holy ***** that was incredible. Although I think the video was speeded up a bit but he did do it.

 

[Brawl]

What I am interested in is how they will portray Wakanda. Do you think they will go the Stargate route and have a mix of tribal and hi-tech. I don't know if today's time and age you can pull off a movie with black people running around with spears in lion pelts in modern times. I can see both sides of this one.

 

[Dr. Evil]

What I am interested in is how they will portray Wakanda. Do you think they will go the Stargate route and have a mix of tribal and hi-tech. I don't know if today's time and age you can pull off a movie with black people running around with spears in lion pelts in modern times. I can see both sides of this one.

The idea has been make the MCU Wakanda like Japan. Japan has a mix of major cities with huge skyscrapers and modern technology and small villages with traditions dating back centuries.

Plus the histories of both countries are similar, minus the period in Japanese history where they conquered half of Southeast Asia backed by a power mad Fascist Prime Minister.

 

[Paradox1]

What I am interested in is how they will portray Wakanda. Do you think they will go the Stargate route and have a mix of tribal and hi-tech. I don't know if today's time and age you can pull off a movie with black people running around with spears in lion pelts in modern times. I can see both sides of this one.

This is along my view of thinking as well. Weapons.buildings and such that look primitive but are far more advanced than anything we currently have. As far as clothing I think you should have a wide variety to choose from some more traditional, some more modern to represent the changing of attitudes in the Wakanda state.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

This is along my view of thinking as well. Weapons.buildings and such that look primitive but are far more advanced than anything we currently have. As far as clothing I think you should have a wide variety to choose from some more traditional, some more modern to represent the changing of attitudes in the Wakanda state.

Yes, this, though I hope they use serious contemporary anthropological research of whatever region in Africa they are choosing to set Wakanda in, and root its culture and aesthetic in that, instead of just relying on western stereotypes of African culture. Assuming they can do that, I really like the idea of constructing a culture that, to a western audience, looks "primitive" but is actually highly advanced. I think one of the really cool things a Black Panther movie can do is interrogate assumptions about what it means to be "civilized" or "advanced", instead of just presenting Wakanda as a combination of "backwards tribal people" and "developed American-style metropolis". I would like to see Wakanda as sort of a peek into an alternate timeline—a "what if an African nation experienced a technological and economic boom untainted by European imperialism"?

 

[Dr. Evil]

DC has just announced two POC led movies (and one female led movie) to their slate. Will Marvel do the same?

 

[smashmode]

DC has just announced two POC led movies (and one female led movie) to their slate. Will Marvel do the same?

I think we should understand that Marvel does what it wants, when it wants, and hope that they move forward when they feel they are ready to do this, and not to react to what others want or are doing.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think we should understand that Marvel does what it wants, when it wants, and hope that they move forward when they feel they are ready to do this, and not to react to what others want or are doing.

True, but if they announce their slate of movies and none of them are female or POC, people will keep asking Kevin Feige about it.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I think we should understand that Marvel does what it wants, when it wants, and hope that they move forward when they feel they are ready to do this, and not to react to what others want or are doing.

Yeah. DC is in panic mode, to an extent. Hopefully Marvel realizes that the longer they go putting out movies exclusively led by white dudes, the more the backlash against them is going to grow, but ultimately, if they do have Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies planned, they don't lose anything by not announcing them now.

People (myself included) are certainly getting antsy and frustrated with the lack of news, but ultimately, Marvel knows that, once those movies ARE announced, all will be forgiven.

If I had to take a guess, I bet they are waiting until after Age of Ultron but before Ant-Man to announce. The recent swirl of rumors (particularly about the end of AoU) seems to point to the very strong likelihood that they have already cast Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman) and Captain Marvel (someone with a better pokerface than Chadwick Boseman), but they want to save them as a surprise for Age of Ultron.

At least, that's my hope.

 

[Huddsy]

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Old, but come on... this one is over. It's the exact reaction Momoa had.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yes, this, though I hope they use serious contemporary anthropological research of whatever region in Africa they are choosing to set Wakanda in, and root its culture and aesthetic in that, instead of just relying on western stereotypes of African culture. Assuming they can do that, I really like the idea of constructing a culture that, to a western audience, looks "primitive" but is actually highly advanced. I think one of the really cool things a Black Panther movie can do is interrogate assumptions about what it means to be "civilized" or "advanced", instead of just presenting Wakanda as a combination of "backwards tribal people" and "developed American-style metropolis". I would like to see Wakanda as sort of a peek into an alternate timeline—a "what if an African nation experienced a technological and economic boom untainted by European imperialism"?

If you read earlier, my suggestion is that Wakanda should be like Japan. Japan is a real life version of Wakanda, except in Asia and not Africa and with Asian instead of African traditions.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

If you read earlier, my suggestion is that Wakanda should be like Japan. Japan is a real life version of Wakanda, except in Asia and not Africa and with Asian instead of African traditions.

Yeah, I saw that! I really liked that analysis. I really hope someone up at Marvel makes the same connection, because that is probably the simplest way of communicating what Wakanda should be to both studio execs and production designers such that it will be understood.