Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther! - Part 5

[marcvader]

When was Hancock?

 

[Dr. Evil]

When was Hancock?

I have no idea if it was before or after Blade 3.

 

[Anubis]

After

 

[Nokio]

Hancock was silly

 

[fixxxer]

For one Dr. Evil is oversimplifying things, and there is no "their" stance. It's like saying SHH has a stance. Individual people have individual opinions. Two...of course marvel studios doesn't care what a blog has to say, even when they make good points. They are about $$$ just like every other Hollywood studio.

Yea, I kinda figured after I visited them after the fact. I was just going off of what Dr. Evil said since up to that point, I'd never heard of or read them. So, I guess my rebuttal was merely directed at Dr. Evil's distillation of some of their ethos.

That aside, as you stated, in the grand (or even narrow, for that matter) scheme of things, what a single blog or, in this case, niche blog has to say is somewhat irrelevant to the decision making of a corporate entity like Marvel/Disney.

Racial and gender politics aside, I've always argued that making a Black Panther and/or Captain Marvel is not a good idea because the former is a black superhero and the latter is female. It is a good idea because they're both awesome superheroes. "Awesome" is subjective of course, but considering the fact that almost every entertainment/geek media outlet I read (not to mention the huge number of people here on the Hype) are literally pining for these two characters to be put on film, I would say that I have some company at least.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

So, we don't have an actual Black Panther section, and I would like this to be its own thread, but whatever. Here is my question:

How do you put comedy in a Black Panther movie? It does not need to be weighted as heavily toward comedy as Guardians of the Galaxy, but it seems that a level of comic relief is a critical component of the Marvel brand.

However, T'Challa is a fairly serious character, and there does not seem to be any obvious, built-in comic relief. So how would you generate comedy such that the movie does not get too bogged down in somber, self-seriousness, while still staying true to who Black Panther is as a character?

 

[terry78]

It'd be very dry humor more or less. T'Challa is often the straight man, and his reactions to stuff is where the comedy is. Though you can probably tweak him like RDJ did with Stark. Make him kind of cynical or a little exasperated st times.

 

[marcvader]

I want T'challa to be the straight man in his movie similar to Cap in his but slightly more straight in a regal way.

 

[terry78]

Some compare him to Doctor Doom if he was a good guy. A ruler of a kingdom, not always willing to just agree or help for the sake of it, and can be kind of a jerk at times. Not on the level of Namor. The entire nation of Wakanda has a superiority complex regarding the rest of us, but they're generally nice guys.

 

[Raiden]

Feige said fans are asking for BP and Capt. Marvel movies more than Iron Man 4 and Avengers 3

Hopefully it means that we will get to see both of these movies in Phase 3.

 

[DrCosmic]

So, we don't have an actual Black Panther section, and I would like this to be its own thread, but whatever. Here is my question:

How do you put comedy in a Black Panther movie? It does not need to be weighted as heavily toward comedy as Guardians of the Galaxy, but it seems that a level of comic relief is a critical component of the Marvel brand.

However, T'Challa is a fairly serious character, and there does not seem to be any obvious, built-in comic relief. So how would you generate comedy such that the movie does not get too bogged down in somber, self-seriousness, while still staying true to who Black Panther is as a character?

Comic sidekick. Cast Jay Baruchel or Alan Tudyk, or heck, Jonah Hill or Michael Cera as Everett Ross. Keep him nearby. Give them very fast banter, as mentioned with T'Challa as the straight man. Put T'Challa in a box, hang him upside down, put him on the hood of a car. Let his body language be expressive. If you give the character heart instead of trying to make him 100% badass, he can have fun without seeming in any way lesser.

Alternately, you can have fun with Hawkeye and Black Panther both taking turns as straight men like Cap and Tasha, or the guys from Pulp Fiction, where they each have an epic idosyncracy, and much of the comedy is how they are both deadpanned in the midst of comic situations.

...and cast Kevin Hart as W'Kabi.

 

[terry78]

Everett Ross I'm not sure I want in the first flick, as he'd kinda be like the white guy surrogate.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Everett Ross I'm not sure I want in the first flick, as he'd kinda be like the white guy surrogate.

Do not want Everett Ross. If there's to be a white person surrogate I would rather they go with someone we've already seen in the MCU.

Someone such as Clint Barton. It gives him something to do in between Avengers movies.

 

[CaptainWagner]

So, we don't have an actual Black Panther section, and I would like this to be its own thread, but whatever. Here is my question:

How do you put comedy in a Black Panther movie? It does not need to be weighted as heavily toward comedy as Guardians of the Galaxy, but it seems that a level of comic relief is a critical component of the Marvel brand.

However, T'Challa is a fairly serious character, and there does not seem to be any obvious, built-in comic relief. So how would you generate comedy such that the movie does not get too bogged down in somber, self-seriousness, while still staying true to who Black Panther is as a character?

I think a lot of humor would come from T'Challa's interactions with the outside world. Pairing him with Renner's Hawkeye and sticking them in the "strange, backwards nation of America" would work well for humor.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Do not want Everett Ross. If there's to be a white person surrogate I would rather they go with someone we've already seen in the MCU.

Someone such as Clint Barton. It gives him something to do in between Avengers movies.

This would be a decent fit for Hawkeye, I'd have to agree.

Just like Black Widow was in Captain America, it would be nice to branch the characters out elsewhere.

 

[Nokio]

As long as Reginald Hudlin is barred from the production. I don't even want this man to mop up on the set. He was the worst thing ever to happen to BP. Please Marvel don't hire this man in any capacity. I'll never forgive him and ghetto lingo in BP and making Doom a racist.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I've only seen the cartoon adaptation of the Who Is the Black Panther storyline. I certainly didn't notice any "ghetto lingo" (although, while I have suspicions on what that means, I'm not certain). Of course, the cartoon could have varied from the comic in this regard. I don't think the story was flawless, but I would find it hard to believe that Reginald Hudlin was the worst thing to happen to Black Panther.

 

[DrCosmic]

Hudlin was heavy handed, but he made BP more popular and relevant than ever, including giving him his only solo series by hook and crook. He is the reason why we're not saying 'why isn't Marvel doing anything at all with T'Challa.' Barring someone from using their influence and passion to push the film because you don't like the way they write dialogue is vindictive and self sabotaging. You want Hudlin as a producer and a champion of the film.

I think a lot of humor would come from T'Challa's interactions with the outside world. Pairing him with Renner's Hawkeye and sticking them in the "strange, backwards nation of America" would work well for humor.

I'm not big on any fish out of water type things with T'Challa. I think there are comical situations everywhere to be exploited, rather than T'Challa being at all familiar with the outside world, seeing as how he studied abroad and went on an incredibly long walkabout.

 

[terry78]

Exactly, he's not some stranger in a strange land character, he's been around the world. He's just a very serious guy.

 

[Dr. Evil]

There's a good chance that DC will beat Marvel to the punch in regards to a superhero movie led by a person of color.

 

[marcvader]

Yes, no fish out of water hijinx. It's not like his travels have been limited. I wouldn't mind if a good portion of tge movie covered his travels and exposure to the criminal world before being called back to Wakanda to assume his kingship.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yes, no fish out of water hijinx. It's not like his travels have been limited. I wouldn't mind if a good portion of tge movie covered his travels and exposure to the criminal world before being called back to Wakanda to assume his kingship.

If they go with an origin story, than this may be before his travels. Personally, I'd hate to see them miss the chance for a reverse of the usual "fish-out-of-water" story. The hero comes out of a remote jungle nation only, instead of being shocked by advanced Western society, is surprised by how far below Wakanda the rest of the world is. Couple that with an escort, say Hawkeye, who expects him to be some sort of primitive native, and it would make for a great heroic duo.

 

[Raiden]

There's a good chance that DC will beat Marvel to the punch in regards to a superhero movie led by a person of color.

Are you talking about Shazam the movie starring Dwayne Johnson?

 

[Paradox1]

BP being a fish out of water would probably come off like Eddie Murphy's character Prince Hakeem in Coming to America. It might be funny but I don't know if that's the direction you'd want to take.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Are you talking about Shazam the movie starring Dwayne Johnson?

Yes, if it comes out before Aquaman with Jason Mamoa.