The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chanes of this beating SM2 Quality wise?

[iwontsaveu]

I know her death want be unexpected but i want her to be killed of in a way that will make my heart cringe

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't think green goblin will be the only villain in ASM3, he already was the only villian in Raimis film and I think there would at least have to be a 2nd villain that hasn't been in a spidey movie yet, possibly mysterio, just to gain new interest

I agree. We will probably see Rhino again in TASM3, as well as a new minor villain, perhaps Shocker.

Though by the time TASM3 comes out, it would have been 14 years since the Goblin appeared on screen, and I think Webb's version will be almost entirely different, so it will still feel fresh.

 

[Loki882]

I agree. We will probably see Rhino again in TASM3, as well as a new minor villain, perhaps Shocker.

Though by the time TASM3 comes out, it would have been 14 years since the Goblin appeared on screen, and I think Webb's version will be almost entirely different, so it will still feel fresh.

Yes, Webb's GG might actually have some motivation, or they'll at least TELL us his motivation.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Raimi's motivation was made clear in the beginning of the film, but once he got revenge from the board members, his story was pretty much concluded at that point.

 

[Nemeres]

If she dies in TASM 2, that might take me out of the film entirely. The best way to do the story to its full potential is in TASM 3 with GG as the main villain IMO.

But that's a case "adapting the comic arc as closely as possible" vs "making TASM 2 as memorable as it can be". Gwen's death in TASM 2 could be the thing that really lets it make a mark and be unforgettable as a MOVIE, as a self-contained movie that doesn't rely on the fact that it's part of a series, for once. As for whether TASM 3 can top that or not, that's exclusively TASM 3's problem. I say, enough of holding out until the sequels to do stuff.

Gwen's death can be the difference between "super bold and ambitious TASM sequel" and "Just yet another Spidey adventure with some cool scenes here and there". Because what's the point of waiting? Who's to say TASM 3 can't come up with something just as good? If they actually have a long-term story to tell, TELL IT. Don't use filler.

 

[Nemeres]

Raimi's motivation was made clear in the beginning of the film, but once he got revenge from the board members, his story was pretty much concluded at that point.

Reading the James Cameron scriptment, it's clear that they borrowed the "Villain tries to recruit Spidey" idea from there; it just wasn't as well developed. It's sad, because a little extra work in that area would have given GG's arc and motivations a little bit more meaning.

 

[Naite22]

What happens in 10 years when TASM is outdated?

There's gonna go a lot more time by before TASM is outdated. And for instance, I don't think the first X-Men movie is outdated yet. It still holds up very well, and that one came before Spiderman, I might add. A film like X-Men Origins: Wolverine, was already outdated when it arrived in cinemas. TASM has a great style for a superhero flick, and it'll hold up better over the course of time than that of Raimi's original.

 

[def28]

X2 holds up decent. Some of those Nightcrawler effects and slow mo show their age and there are definitely things that place it around the early 00's. X Men 1 started feeling out of date at least 5 years. Looks almost like a tv movie and the scale of story compared to these modern flicks shows its age even more. Not saying it still can't be enjoyed but that doesn't look like any modern Marvel film I've seen.

Big difference between a bad film and a dated one. With how fast technology is excelling, how the look of film/sound effects change, and the modern expectations of comic film stories ASM can very well look/feel like a dated film in only 5 more years. Things will be much different.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmmm I disagree with X1 looking like a TV movie. If there's 1 superhero film that looks like a TV movie and dated, thats the 1st Spider-Man movie.

X-Men: Origins looks a little dated because the craftsmanship of that film is just poor. VFX, production design, cinematography, etc...

 

[def28]

That Wolverine fight on the statue of liberty is one of the cheapest looking things I've seen in any of the X-Men films. Its up there with the ladder in XMOW.

The wire work is horrible in that film.

 

[Oscorp]

X-Men (the first film) feels very outdated IMO. It's to the level of me barely being able to watch the whole thing.

X-Men 2 on the other hand, that's still a very good film!

IMO, Spider-Man 2 is not nearly as outdated as some of you guys make it out to be. Most of the effects still hold up (surprisingly, looking at the other Spidey films). The storytelling is still great. The overall look of the film still feels modern.

The first one doesn't feel completely outdated, but leaning towards that. You can see that it's starting to age. Whereas other old films have something that still make them feel relevant and have some kind of "legendary" aura, that's not really the case with "Spider-Man" if you ask me. The origin take is pretty much perfect, but other than that the film as a whole doesn't have what it takes to make it eternal. Green Goblin lacks motivations and his design looks like a living toy. He also doesn't live up to being Spider-Man's arch enemy at all. The effects look old. The action looks pretty generic with the exception of the final battle. etc.

It's still a great film, but feels a bit old. Especially compared to Spider-Man 2.

This is also why I think that ASM will age at about the same rate as Raimi's first one. Some effects, while mostly good, look outdated even when it came out. Lizard is a huge CGI creature which in itself will make the movie look old quicker (TIH is another example of that). I also think, much like the first Raimi film, the sequel will overshadow the first.

 

[def28]

Agreed.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If TASM2 and the rest of the sequels are successful, I think TASM will get a higher appreciation, especially since each film supports each other due to underlying story arcs connecting each movie. I think TASM will age, but not nearly as much as SM1 did.

If the Raimi series continued to this day, successfully, SM1 would still feel relevant. Since SM3 failed and the series was rebooted, the only film that really stands out as a great standalone film is SM2. The first film is still really good though IMO, mostly because of the origin, which is top notch. The second half brings it down.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Honestly, even Iron Man 1 feels a little dated, and its only been 5 years. However, the fact that the movie is part of the grander cinematic universe which still continues to this day is a big help IMO. The movie feels relevant, and is still a decent flick, so people still watch it.

 

[Green Goblin]

I felt a modern/futuristic vibe from TASM

 

[Shikamaru]

But that's a case "adapting the comic arc as closely as possible" vs "making TASM 2 as memorable as it can be". Gwen's death in TASM 2 could be the thing that really lets it make a mark and be unforgettable as a MOVIE, as a self-contained movie that doesn't rely on the fact that it's part of a series, for once. As for whether TASM 3 can top that or not, that's exclusively TASM 3's problem. I say, enough of holding out until the sequels to do stuff.

Gwen's death can be the difference between "super bold and ambitious TASM sequel" and "Just yet another Spidey adventure with some cool scenes here and there". Because what's the point of waiting? Who's to say TASM 3 can't come up with something just as good? If they actually have a long-term story to tell, TELL IT. Don't use filler.

It isn't holding back at all. TASM 2 already has plenty to make it ambitious and memorable (I.e. Electro's god-like nature and an epic Times Square fight).

If Gwen will die in TASM 2, it will be either at the hands of Electro or GG. She shouldn't die at the hands of Electro since that would take away from the fact that GG is his archenemy and would water down their dynamic. If GG appears towards the end and kills Gwen, then it is a case of the story being shoehorned in.

In order to have Gwen's death leave as big of an impact as possible, it has to happen in TASM 3. It's way too early in TASM 2 especially if you consider they haven't dated for a long while yet.

 

[Galactus123]

I don't think it can be better. It is hard to explain but I just don't see it. Spider-Man 2 is one of my favorite sequels.

 

[Green Goblin]

I don't think it can be better. It is hard to explain but I just don't see it. Spider-Man 2 is one of my favorite sequels.

A more confident Peter
More Quips
A love interest who can keep her pants on

 

[Nathan]

All things that were already in the first Movie. And now we get more of that in ASM2. Spider-Man 2 might be a good superhero Movie, but I'm confident ASM2 will blow it out of the water, when it comes to being a great Spider-Man Movie.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

This is also why I think that ASM will age at about the same rate as Raimi's first one. Some effects, while mostly good, look outdated even when it came out. Lizard is a huge CGI creature which in itself will make the movie look old quicker (TIH is another example of that). I also think, much like the first Raimi film, the sequel will overshadow the first.

I kinda disagree with ya on this one. On one hand, yes, some CGI will end up feeling dated in a number of years especially with a large, fully generated creature like the Lizard. This is unavoidable. However, from the look and feel of ASM in terms of itself as a film, I'd say it will have more staying power vs SM1. Effects or not, SM1 feels extremely dated based on the look and feel or whatever--saw someone else say it represents something like a 'TV movie.' I'd have to agree with that observation. But then again, dated as it may be, I still enjoy the heck outta SM1.

 

[Loki882]

Most people don't even know that the hallway in that fight scene was all CGI, that's how good some of the effects were. X1 had the disadvantage of having a pretty small budget considering the characters who were in it. So, it kind of gets a pass from me, and most of the effects are still good.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I kinda disagree with ya on this one. On one hand, yes, some CGI will end up feeling dated in a number of years especially with a large, fully generated creature like the Lizard. This is unavoidable. However, from the look and feel of ASM in terms of itself as a film, I'd say it will have more staying power vs SM1. Effects or not, SM1 feels extremely dated based on the look and feel or whatever--saw someone else say it represents something like a 'TV movie.' I'd have to agree with that observation. But then again, dated as it may be, I still enjoy the heck outta SM1.

Agreed with everything here.

Even the CGI in the Avengers will look dated at some point.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I felt a modern/futuristic vibe from TASM

I feel exactly the same. Maybe it has something to do with the technology that Oscorp uses?

While the Avengers has SHIELD and Stark technology, it still feels very... modern. Where with TASM, for some reason, I also get that modern/futuristic feel from it. Can't explain it, but I love it!

 

[Green Goblin]

The reason that TASM will age better than the Rami series is that it's based on the ultimate era (modern).

Rami based his on the Stan Lee era of the 1960's. That is a reason why there is camp.
The 60's were 50 years ago...

 

[Shikamaru]

TASM has more stuff from the Lee/Ditko era than Ultimate stuff.