The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chanes of this beating SM2 Quality wise?

[Picard Sisko]

Unbelievable, some people are never happy. It's "telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice", yet if they deviate from the source material then it isn't considered "true to the comics".

You just have to accept the fact that people are going to complain irregardless of what shows up on screen. All you can ever really do is ignore them and watch the movie for yourself, hoping you like what you see.

 

[Vid Electricz]

The Ultimate book started before the film came out, in one of his introductions in one of the USM trades he mentioned he did get to see Spider-Man ahead of its release but when the film was finished. So he had been working on the book for some time at that point. The series was well on its way by the time the film actually came out. So if anything the movie took from Bendis not the other way around.

And I'd say both franchises take 50/50 from Amazing and Ultimate. Raimi really shouldn't have though, introducing MJ before Gwen set the series up to shoot itself in the foot at some point from the beginning.

I was trying to say that there was a reciprocal relationship between the comics and the movies. The movies are inspired by SOME parts of the comics and the comics are then inspired by SOME parts of said movie. That's how it usually plays out and why the "TASM is an adaptation of USM" is disingenuous.

 

[Picard Sisko]

SM1 borrowed some elements from USM, but it still captures the spirit of the early 616 comic books.

TASM is not a direct adaption of USM, but the inspiration is clearly there, and it definitely captures the spirit of that universe a lot more than the 616. However, it still takes certain elements from both incarnations of Spider-Man as well.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Unbelievable, some people are never happy. It's "telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice", yet if they deviate from the source material then it isn't considered "true to the comics".

It's almost as though you didn't read my post at all. I have no issues with maintaining fidelity to the source material or using storylines "from the comics". The problem is in the execution of it (wow. You mean to tell me that you can't just slap faithful recreations of comic book panels into live action and instantaneously have a good film? lol)

It's telegraphed so poorly because at the end of TASM when Peter breaks his "promise", it's so painfully obvious and heavy handed, the direction they are going in (for the reasons I listed in that post)- that it ultimately ends up being a surprise or shock to no one. It becomes boiled down to a moment of fanservice.

 

[Vid Electricz]

You just have to accept the fact that people are going to complain irregardless of what shows up on screen. All you can ever really do is ignore them and watch the movie for yourself, hoping you like what you see.

There's a difference between complaining and being critical. They are different.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'll give you that, it is an assumption... although I wouldn't call it an assumption as much as a hope, or faith in humanity, lol. It would be, uh, hard (to say the least) for the GA not to see that as a rip off. 14 years isn't 40 years. The effects hold up, and the scene was pretty dark in its own right, man, it had a teenage girl screaming for her life and being held by the friggin throat over a bridge. Come on.

Also, the Norman/Gwen thing: if the movie ended in that note of tragedy and soul-consuming revenge, that would make TASM 3 an ABSOLUTE must see, for reasons other than just "Hey, a new villain!" (Or even "Hey, six villains") It would be two years of giddy nail biting and foaming at the mouth just to see the badass moment when Peter finally came face to face with his gf's killer. But of course, that's just my take on it.

Disagree

If anything Rami will get some s*** from the fans (the GA don't micro analyse).
I would see fans calling SM1's bridge scene a rip off as now they have the full thing and not some "watered down version".

 

[chaseter]

I can't wait for the real Lizard instead of the watered down version we got.

 

[Green Goblin]

I can't wait for the real Lizard instead of the watered down version we got.

One with a slightly bigger snout and a family but not one who looks like he belongs to Jurassic Park IV...

 

[chaseter]

Jurassic Park > Mario Brothers

Not to mention the dumbest Lizard plot device ever created being used.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well you will see that in the next reboot I'm sure in another 10 or so years

 

[Green Goblin]

Jurassic Park > Mario Brothers

Not to mention the dumbest Lizard plot device ever created being used.

Disagree

I'd rather have a villain that doesn't look silly when talking and can show emotions.

I have no problem with his plan, straight from the comics, something unique to the character and most of all...
better than the generic "just kill people" plan 99% of CB Villains have.

 

[chaseter]

But he looked silly....

What comic did he have the same plan in?

 

[Nemeres]

Disagree

If anything Rami will get some s*** from the fans (the GA don't micro analyse).
I would see fans calling SM1's bridge scene a rip off as now they have the full thing and not some "watered down version".

But what does it mean not to microanalyze, to wipe from your memory what was already given to you just ten years ago? You can't ask audiences to pretend not to remember what they've already seen. I'm constantly surprised by the amount of dead-on observations I hear out of "average" movie goers, the kind that don't hang around an internet forum every day. They notice, they remember. And yes, they criticize. It's just way to soon to call it an homage, even. And even if it weren't, here's an idea: do something new, original. Nothing wrong about that.

 

[Green Goblin]

But what does it mean not to microanalyze, to wipe from your memory what was already given to you just ten years ago? You can't ask audiences to pretend not to remember what they've already seen. I'm constantly surprised by the amount of dead-on observations I hear out of "average" movie goers, the kind that don't hang around an internet forum every day. They notice, they remember. And yes, they criticize. It's just way to soon to call it an homage, even. And even if it weren't, here's an idea: do something new, original. Nothing wrong about that.

I could say that for Rami, why use the bridge scene (when you aren't going to even do the death scene) when you can do something original.

Does it really matter if it's going to be better anyway?

 

[sl500jazz]

TASM captures the spirit of USM very well: modern day Peter Parker in high school, Uncle Ben's responsibility speech, conspiracies coming out of Oscorp relating to Peter's parents and his origin as Spider-Man, etc.

Though it also borrows a large number of elements from the 616 comic books: Gwen being Peter's first love, Lizard's design, Lizard's plan, Flash being a Spider-Man fan, etc.

I can definitely agree with this. Although elements were borrowed from both universes, TASM as a whole "felt" more Ultimate than 616.

I wonder if the opposite will be true of the future films in the franchise as the characters age, the high school setting is dropped, and Spider-Man's universe is built. I'm still hoping that Gwen will at least make it through TASM2 so we can (hopefully) see the whole gang (with the introduction of MJ and the Bugle) together in TASM3.

Unbelievable, some people are never happy. It's "telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice", yet if they deviate from the source material then it isn't considered "true to the comics".

Lol. So true. If he deviates too far from the source material, then he potentially runs the risk of irritating and alienating a large percentage of the Spider-Man fanbase. If he's too faithful to the source material, then he gets accused of being unoriginal or of making decisions solely to please the fans. There's no winning.

You just have to accept the fact that people are going to complain irregardless of what shows up on screen. All you can ever really do is ignore them and watch the movie for yourself, hoping you like what you see.

^This

 

[Loki882]

The Lizard looked like the original Ditko Lizard, so it was comic accurate. They wanted the Lizard to be able to talk and show emotion without looking stupid.

 

[chaseter]

They failed.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The lizard looked fine

 

[Shikamaru]

Lizard looked just fine.

 

[Picard Sisko]

You failed to prove your point by posting a still image of the villain: the general consensus is that he looks really good in the film, but never really worked in still photographs and posters.

He looks a hell of a lot better here for example:

 

[Picard Sisko]

There's a difference between complaining and being critical. They are different.

Yes, but the majority of criticisms end up being complaints, especially here on SHH! or the internet in general. They aren't showing an expressive analysis of the film as an art form, but rather show dissatisfaction and annoyance of what has been seen or heard about the movie.

 

[Nemeres]

Yes, but the majority of criticisms end up being complaints, especially here on SHH! or the internet in general. They aren't showing an expressive analysis of the film as an art form, but rather show dissatisfaction and annoyance of what has been seen or heard about the movie.

Not true.

 

[chaseter]

You failed to prove your point by posting a still image of the villain: the general consensus is that he looks really good in the film, but never really worked in still photographs and posters.

He looks a hell of a lot better here for example:

Still looks lame to me. It was a lame design to begin with, a lame plot device for a villain, and a lame villain in a superhero movie. Lizard was lame all around. Again and again, the vast majority was not calling for a Dikto Lizard design. No one was hoping he would turn NYC into lizards. Everyone thought the leaked footage in the school restroom was an unfinished design. Just like with the silver slippers or the 'missing' belt on the ASM costume, people hoped for more and created scenarios in their head why it was different. When the official stills come out, then suddenly it's amazing and Webb and crew did a bang up job. It's hilarious to me that people act like that on here.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Not true.

Do you want to expand on that response? lol

Still looks lame to me. It was a lame design to begin with, a lame plot device for a villain, and a lame villain in a superhero movie. Lizard was lame all around. Again and again, the vast majority was not calling for a Dikto Lizard design. No one was hoping he would turn NYC into lizards. Everyone thought the leaked footage in the school restroom was an unfinished design. Just like with the silver slippers or the 'missing' belt on the ASM costume, people hoped for more and created scenarios in their head why it was different. When the official stills come out, then suddenly it's amazing and Webb and crew did a bang up job. It's hilarious to me that people act like that on here.

What is that even supposed to mean? How do people 'act' on here?

Well lets agree to disagree since most of this is subjective anyway.

 

[chaseter]

What is that even supposed to mean? How do people 'act' on here?

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