Comics Change Coming for Lee's Spider-Man?

[ironman29758]

This seems considerably worse.

I know but at least MJ i s not completely gone out of Pete's life( in california dating movie stars of people guessing her to be Jackpot).

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

This seems considerably worse.

Yeah. This just reeks of lack of effort. I don't even know why they bothered. It's not like a bunch of newspaper subscribers were threatening to drop their subscription unless Peter Parker was single again in the obscure Spider-Man strip on the funnies page.

Does anyone have the December 31 strip? I want to see how the last storyline ended. If there was any hint of this?

 

[Brand]

This seems considerably worse.

It looks like they're just doing a complete reboot, which IMO works fine for the strip. It's not like people have a ton of money invested in past newspapers that they've collected just to read that strip. A clean break, without the massive continuity problems that Marvel created and ignored, is probably the best way thing that Stan Lee could have done.

I hate to see the marriage go away, but at least Stan is keeping MJ around (which is more than can be said for Marvel).

 

[stillanerd]

Here's todays:

Looks like they're just simply jumping back and starting over.

Wow. So not only, like One More Day, Peter is made single again and, unlike One More Day, the strip actually made him younger and in college, but they actually still have him dating Mary Jane? This can only mean one thing folks...the comics are going to follow suit.

Yeah. This just reeks of lack of effort. I don't even know why they bothered. It's not like a bunch of newspaper subscribers were threatening to drop their subscription unless Peter Parker was single again in the obscure Spider-Man strip on the funnies page.

Does anyone have the December 31 strip? I want to see how the last storyline ended. If there was any hint of this?

Yep.

So, for all intends and purposes, it's just a restart of the strip--sort of like how each Spider-Man cartoon has it's own continuity.

 

[Brand]

Does anyone have the December 31 strip? I want to see how the last storyline ended. If there was any hint of this?

Happy new year? Yeah, riiiiight . . .

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Well...this point hasn't been mentioned yet, so I thought I'd bring it up. For those still clinging to the futile hope that BND would be reversed one day down the line, this is kind of the last nail in the coffin.

Now I have a question (what? Another?!? ) Did Harry die in the newspaper strip? Yeah, you know where this one's going....

 

[TwilightPro101]

Happy new year? Yeah, riiiiight . . .

Exactly what I thought as well.

 

[imdaly]

Wow. So not only, like One More Day, Peter is made single again and, unlike One More Day, the strip actually made him younger and in college, but they actually still have him dating Mary Jane? This can only mean one thing folks...the comics are going to follow suit.

Ahh, but tomorrow we find out that the "MJ" he's referring to is Michael Jackson.

 

[TwilightPro101]

ahh, but tomorrow we find out that the "mj" he's referring to is michael jackson.

lmao!

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Ahh, but tomorrow we find out that the "MJ" he's referring to is Michael Jackson.

No, no, no... It's Magic Johnson. Pete's got a hoops competition! t:

 

[imdaly]

No, no, no... It's Magic Johnson. Pete's got a hoops competition! t:

Then it's probably Michael Jordan.


But seriously? ...definitely Michael Jackson. They both wish to stay young, never age, and be untethered to women.

 

[e-three]

Well...this point hasn't been mentioned yet, so I thought I'd bring it up. For those still clinging to the futile hope that BND would be reversed one day down the line, this is kind of the last nail in the coffin.

Now I have a question (what? Another?!? ) Did Harry die in the newspaper strip? Yeah, you know where this one's going....

Never say never. If the Holy Grail of "comic characters who will always stay dead" Bucky can come back from the dead, Spider-Man can be married again. Of course, it might take as long as it took Bucky to come back, but its always possible.

What it does put a nail in the coffin to is the argument "Joe Q is going against Stan's intention for the character! Stan created him, and he's all about giving Spider-Man growth and progression! Stan would never do that!" Hard to say that when the creator of Spider-Man has "regressed" the character in his own strip.

I'm no fan of the elimination of the marriage by any means, but the marriage is NOT integral to Spider-Man's character. The thing is, being single is NOT integral to his character either. Spider-Man's appeal is that he's "one of us," the everyman, so he works either way. I prefer a married Spider-Man to a single Spider-Man (especially a "life is so wonderful after I agreed to let Satan erase my marriage and regress my common sense and maturity!" Spider-Man), but I prefer good Spider-Man stories even more. Unfortunately, Brand New Day hasn't given me that.

As far as the "reboot" of the strip goes, I don't think its worse than One More/Brand New Day...I think it's better because you don't have an idiot whining Peter making deals with the devil to erase his marriage. And its already established that he has his own apartment (which I assume means he's employed in order to pay rent), so we're spared the sight of Aunt May actually having to kick Mr. "Power and Responsibility" out of bed to go look for a job.

And there's already been sort of a precedence for comic strips "starting over." "Peanuts" is of course in repeats, and "For Better or Worse" just recently went all the way back to the beginning, doing repeats with occasional new content set back in that time period. It's not exactly what "Amazing Spider-Man" is doing, but its similar enough. So while I think that approach would be ridiculous in the comic book, it's acceptable in the strip.

But c'mon Stan, the smell of Aunt May's coffee? It's supposed to be wheatcakes dammit!

 

[Themanofbat]

... so we're spared the sight of Aunt May actually having to kick Mr. "Power and Responsibility" out of bed to go look for a job.

And we saw this... maybe "once"... in the comics???

 

[stillanerd]

Ahh, but tomorrow we find out that the "MJ" he's referring to is Michael Jackson.

Interesting you should mention that, cause I stumbled across this:


Not to mention there was this "historic little event."

 

[Spidey0]

I used to read that lol.

Btw, does anyone know if http://heavyink.com/ is a good place to buy comics.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Heh, the marriage isn't safe anywhere. Well whatever...I guess I'm going to have to get with the times and give up on any hopes of having Peter/MJ married again. All that needs to happen now is Peter and MJ getting a divorce over in ASG. Jeez..... Is it really that big of a problem? I wish Marvel would put the same amount of effort that they have in "fixing" the so called Marriage problem, into fixing all the other issues running rampant in "BND".

 

[ScottishFogg]

Honestly, I wish the comics had taken this route. If they *HAD* to reboot him, why not just do it properly? Why not just tell the last story of Spider-Man (one last big epic that brings JMS' awesome futuristic Spidey suit) and then say "THE END?"

"Thanks for reading folks, see you next year when we're going to be getting back to his Peter's roots and bringing you new Spidey stories."

They might as well have. There's little to no continuity left, so why pretend there is? Just reboot the whole damn Marvel universe.

 

[Themanofbat]

They might as well have. There's little to no continuity left, so why pretend there is? Just reboot the whole damn Marvel universe.

The continuity appears tighter NOW than any time during the "fabled JMS run"...
...Or during the last 15 years for that matter...

 

[farmernudie]

I dunno TMOB....whenever you say "continuity is tighter than ever"....i don't know what you mean or are "seeing"....because continuity is more messed up than ever..imo...but i guess we all see what we want to.....

I mean, you can like the reboot, but i wouldn't say continuity specifically is a strong aspect of it, in anyway.

And what "Continuity" they HAVE put it....feels like a jigsaw puzzle from multiple puzzles hammered into place after the fact to crudely give some sort of explanantion, tho logically stuff won't make sense because the core foundation of the reboot doesn't make sense.

It is like trying to take a mangled waffle and forcing it later to look like a three layer cake.

Just enjoy the mangled waffle for what it is.

 

[Blader5489]

Honestly, I wish the comics had taken this route. If they *HAD* to reboot him, why not just do it properly? Why not just tell the last story of Spider-Man (one last big epic that brings JMS' awesome futuristic Spidey suit) and then say "THE END?"

"Thanks for reading folks, see you next year when we're going to be getting back to his Peter's roots and bringing you new Spidey stories."

They might as well have. There's little to no continuity left, so why pretend there is? Just reboot the whole damn Marvel universe.

Spider-Man =/= the whole damn Marvel universe

 

[kguillou]

Originally posted by TheManofBat

The continuity appears tighter NOW than any time during the "fabled JMS run"...
...Or during the last 15 years for that matter...



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Come on TMOB, i respect your opinion of BND, i really do, but even YOU havta admit that the continuity right now is VERY screwy, there's so many things that dont make sense and that are not compatible with things that happened in Spidey's past it makes my head hurt.

 

[stillanerd]

Spider-Man =/= the whole damn Marvel universe

Agreed. While the idea of "restarting" the series does have it's appeal and has been proved to be something which has been accepted in the past (after all, Ultimate Spider-Man is, for all practical purposes, a "restart" of the series) in the case of Spider-Man in the mainstream Marvel Universe, because the comics are so integrated into each other, it would mean having to restart all of Marvel's comics, not just Spider-Man's, just like what DC did with Crisis on Infinite Earths.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I'm curious about something; One year into this new direction, and some people are still under the Impression/ assumption that Spider-Man's continuity has somehow been...i don't know, changed or altered completely?

We were told at the beginning of all this that everything was the same, everything happened, EXCEPT Peter and MJ's marrriage...

That, and some type of "event" happened that wiped away the knowledge of Peter's secret identity from everyone's mind...

And that's how i go into it each month when i read the book, and i havent seen anything that leads me to believe that anything else from Peter's continuity has been removed.

So, honest question; what is it exactly, that some of you feel has been altered?

 

[Themanofbat]

Come on TMOB, i respect your opinion of BND, i really do, but even YOU havta admit that the continuity right now is VERY screwy, there's so many things that dont make sense and that are not compatible with things that happened in Spidey's past it makes my head hurt.

But with what they've thrown at us thus far makes sense, and the writers involved (especially Slott) are Marvel Continuity ****es, and even with the Stern issue, while it was filler, still made references to stuff that happened a long time ago... those little "asterix" boxes haven't made their usual appearances in a Spidey book in almost two decades...

And do I really need to list off all the recent JMS "who gives a rat's ass to Spidey's continuity as long as I can tell MY story" stuff?

 

[stillanerd]

I'm curious about something; One year into this new direction, and some people are still under the Impression/ assumption that Spider-Man's continuity has somehow been...i don't know, changed or altered completely?

We were told at the beginning of all this that everything was the same, everything happened, EXCEPT Peter and MJ's marrriage...

That, and some type of "event" happened that wiped away the knowledge of Peter's secret identity from everyone's mind...

And that's how i go into it each month when i read the book, and i havent seen anything that leads me to believe that anything else from Peter's continuity has been removed.

So, honest question; what is it exactly, that some of you feel has been altered?

Well, aside from the two things you mentioned, Quesada also stated in an interview on CBR right when One More Day came out that, as far as he was concerned, MJ never got pregnant the entire time Peter and her were together because it was just a "plot device" the creators came up with at the time to get Peter and MJ out of the titles for Ben Reilly to step in and take over. Of course, this puts the entire Clone Saga into question since it was MJ's pregnancy that resulted in Peter believing he was a clone and Ben "the original." And yet, the Clone Saga still happened.

Likewise, The Green Goblin's motive for "returning form the dead" is also been altered significantly. Originally, it was so he couldn't stand that Peter life, after making him believe he was a clone, was still "perfect" while his son was dead. Yet, now that we know Harry never actually died and Norman was key to covering that fact up, revenge against Peter for "killing his son" is no longer the case. Not to mention that, apparently, Osborn's own thoughts and journal entries were lies.

And don't forget, somehow, Peter Parker no longer has organic webshooters and his Wolverine-esque bone spears--although that certainly isn't any big loss--without any explanation. And yet, according to Wacker, he still does.