Childish Spidey 3 vs Corny FF2

Which was better

  • Spiderman 3

  • Fantastic Four 2

  • Both of them sucked


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Both films angered me very much eventhough I'll admit I did somewhat enjoy SM3. Personally I can't wait for Iron Man, Hulk, Cap and Thor to come out, at least they won't be f'n juvenile and silly. Real movies that won't be targeted toward kids who don't know Superman from Spiderman. Movies that would surely please the real comic book fans who wait months and years for our babies to be put on big screen.

That being said I hear a lot of people say FF2 was better than Spidey 3. What say you?
 
Spider-Man 3>Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

Though I enjoyed both movies.
 
Do we really need another Spider-Man 3 vs..... thread?! Getting a bit old now.
 
Spider-Man 3 vs. Casablanca

Coming soon!
 
Well FF2 kept me entertained...SM3 did not.
 
I liked them both. But FF was shorter and featured different cities.
 
FF2 is underrated because people can't get past their hate for Tim Story.

If Sam Raimi directed it those same people would be defending it as a decent FF movie.
 
FF2 is underrated because people can't get past their hate for Tim Story.

If Sam Raimi directed it those same people would be defending it as a decent FF movie.

Right, because you know nobody can actually like Spider-Man 3 :whatever:
 
I am hust sick of hearing that SM3 is only liked because Raimi did it. My enjoyment of the movie is not because it was made by Raimi.

I love Tim Burton. He is my favorite director. That said, Mars Attacks and Planet of the Apes (which rapes the original) are two of the worst movies I have ever seen. As a huge Burton fan, by this mentality, I should have just loved these.

This Raimi did SM3 excuse is old.
 
The Tim Story bashing is old.

FF2 is a good but some people won't give him credit because of his reputation.
 
Story doesn't deserve the hate he gets, but I will say I do have some problems with his direction.

My biggest one being the abrupt ways his climaxes end. Doom is defeated far too easily in both FF movies.
 
I didn't find SM3 to be childish. But it was better than FF2.
 
This Raimi did SM3 excuse is old.
Very.

Why is it so hard to accept that some people (okay, judging from the box office a lot of people) liked the movie because they enjoyed what they were watching?
 
I prefer SM3 for the obvious reasons.

Sam Raimi is a visionary director (at least when it comes to visuals and camera work) while Story's work looks like a TV movie.

The screenplay and direction of SM3 developed its characters into human beings. There were genuine moments of humanity and real emotion in SM3 and artistic value.

Story's movie is a commerical for action figures. The screenplay services the action set pieces and the sit com one-liners but has only one or two moments of genuine emotion (one between Johnny and Sue at the wedding and the other between Johnny and SS recalling his pasat).

Both disappointed in big villains, but Venom still got 15 minutes of glory and did more in the movie than he did in the comics. Galactus got a whopping 4 minutes as a cloud. Woo-hoo.


But I can see why some prefer FF:ROTSS it is a fun airy movie. As an adaptation it is semi-faithful and it is entertaining enough to enjoy. But it is a mindless summer movie. Fun popcorn but it is vapid and empty.

This includes boring action sequences like the ferris wheel and actions and motivations so stupid it makes the butler scene in SM3 look like a moment out of The Godfather. I am referring to things like the general siding with Dr. Doom, letting Doom walk around with only one guard in his bunker but not the FF, even though he KNOWS Doom has super powers. And Doom having no real reason to get the cosmic powers other than to have them and not caring that by doing so he is dooming the whole damn world around him he wants to rule.


But hey. Also, I wouldn't say FF2 has better pacing. It is shorter, but it has no momentum. It starts and stops with each scene. It maintains no mood or suspense. The only action scene where things feel like they are at stake is the last 2 minutes when Silver Surfer defeats a cloud. The movie just plods along with a sitcom beginning and middle with set pieces in between for the action.

SM3 has rising action and tension as Harry reverts, Peter goes off the deep end, when Venom is born and when Harry comes to rescue Pete. Not to mention the story moves and doesn't sit statically.

Really the only reason I can see you preferring FF2 is that it is mindless spectacle that is easy to just sit at like a sitcom (say Friends, which the first 20 minutes is with superpowers) and as soon as it ends it is in one ear and out the other. Nothing to rememmber.

SM3 was disappointing and had its flaws and faults but Raimi wanted it to stay with you and leave an impact. YOu can argue whether he failed or succeeded until you turn blue, but at least he tried something more than to push action figures.

Oh well.
 
P.S. If you honeslty think Iron Man or The INcredible Hulk or Captain america or whatever else won't be aimed at kids you are deluding yourself.

Every one of them will have a PG-13 rating slapped on it sold in the form of action figures, lunch boxes and happy meals and have kid friendly moments. I think Iron Man stands the chance of being amazing (as does TDK which makes next year a real treat for comics fans).

Plus, I doubt even if LL's Hulk has less camp and humor it will be nearly as mature as Raimi's Spider-Man films.
 
FF2 - Shorter, focused, don't delude itself as a comic book movie
SM3 - Too much time wasted on close-ups, dumb dancing number

Both will be spanked by Iron Man, I'l' guarantee you that.
 
Very.

Why is it so hard to accept that some people (okay, judging from the box office a lot of people) liked the movie because they enjoyed what they were watching?
Thank you, why can't people understand this basic concept. It's as if fans are being driven by film critics these days. The critics say Spiderman 2 is a cinematic masterpiece, and the fans rejoice, Raimi is considered a god. Critics pan Spiderman 3, fans cry like little confused puppies, Raimi is "discovered" to not be as godly as he was once thought to be. Seriously, the world would be a better place if people weren't so dependent on the opinions of others.
 
That is asking a lot of society man. Tons of people today are too lazy to even think for themselves.
 
I was pleasantly surprised by FF2.

SM3 was like: Oh for god sake stop talking about your relationship!!!
FF2 was like: By all means, please continue talking about your relationships.

I think Tim Story deserves way more credit for stepping up than Sam Raimi does for dropping the bomb.
 
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