The Amazing Spider-Man Should Spidey-3 be retconned?

[Secret_Riddle]

Harry is dead.



Harry is dead.



Harry is dead.



Will probably come up/has already been forgotten.



Symbiote is gone, he cried because his best friend was about to die or he was about to lose the girl he loved. Didn't need to see it but I wouldn't show up at Harry's funeral to laugh at Peter for being sad.



Harry is dead.



Eddie is dead.

Obviously a few bad moves were made, but there really isn't a problem. The next movie will have no Sandman, no Eddie and no Harry (and by extension, no butler) so there isn't really any chance they need to be brought up and explained all over again, especially not when they're trying to get the franchise back on track.

Well, I would think that in a sequel to Spider-Man 3..Peter would in some part still be mourning Harry. The whole butler thing is..in my opinion, this franchises biggest embarrassment. That's why for me, a minor retcon, which could rewrite little things like that, is what I would like the most.

This is all speculation of course.

 

[chaseter]

They retconed Uncle Ben's death...why not smooth over some of the gaping issues with SM3?

 

[Reikowolf]

i dont think a retcon is needed for this. 4 can be its own story and still keep the events of 3

 

[Matt Murdock]

I think that since Batman Begins people have gone a bit reboot and retcon crazy. We're seeing possible reboots of Back to the Future, Fantastic Four, and X-Men. Enlisting retroactive continuity is using the delete button, and if it becomes too simple, we'll never get any films of any quality. They made Spider-Man 3, and now they have to live with it.

 

[Sentinel X]

The only franchise I feel (as of now) that could use a retcon is Alien...(retconning Alien 3) other than that no.


Just go and make SM4...SM3 was bad but it was not THAT bad. Retcon should be done when you have a point of no return (and a remake and reboot would not be suitable either). Also they need to mention the death of Harry because its an important part of the entire trilogy even though it was VERY poorly handled. Other than that they shouldn't mention anything else from SM3. No eddie brock, no sandman, no uncle ben murder twist, and I don't want to even see gwen stacy (at least not in SM4)

 

[LiveWire777]

SM3 was awful IMO so in this case i wouldn't mind a retcon.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Really? How can you immediately retcon a film?

 

[LiveWire777]

I was just so disappointed in that movie -_-' i wouldn't just mind forgetting about it, but not everybody feels that way so i'm pretty sure they won't retcon it no matter how many people complain.

 

[Eggyman]

I don't think anything that happened in 3 will be mentioned/used as much of an influence. It'll just move on - not denying them, but also not being forced into a corner by them when it's needless seeing as now the story should be fresh and on a new chapter.

 

[The Joker]

Just acknowledge Harry's death. Everything else in SM-3 is forgettable.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea nothing that happened apart from Harry's death was major or able to effect the next movie.

 

[dark_b]

Well, I would think that in a sequel to Spider-Man 3..Peter would in some part still be mourning Harry. The whole butler thing is..in my opinion, this franchises biggest embarrassment. That's why for me, a minor retcon, which could rewrite little things like that, is what I would like the most.

This is all speculation of course.

this is bad writting IMO. its a comicbook movie realesed in summer. harry is dead. move on. this is not a tv series where the previous episode is connected to the new. this will be a new movie. a new adventure. lets move on.

people will not come in the theater to watch how peter talks about this. they want a fun movie with spiderman.

if they still didnt learn their leasson then its over.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think some of you are assuming to much. Each one of these films has in many ways been stand alone entities. However, the continuity of the films, come from Peter, MJ, and Harry's relationship.

With that said, they are not going to ignore events that have transpired in SM3 as it relates to Peter, MJ, and Harry. That's still and on going story. Not only will the events surrounding Harry's death continue; but, the events surrounding Peter(Symbiote) personality change may be touch upon as well. A'la physical, verbal, & mental abuse toward MJ.

Remember, she had no idea that Peter had the Symbiote, or what it is, and what it does to people. All she knows is that Peter is not himself. I see that aspect as playing a role in the next film. They can't just ignore it... that's part of their trial & tribulation.

As far as Spidey and the villain(s) he will face, that will be a separate story all together... as the previous was.

 

[dark_b]

i think the only continuity was Harry and Norman Osborn. was Doc Ock mentioned?

so now that Harry is dead i think they should move on. peter and MJ can talk in between spiderman 3 and 4. but the movie 4 should be about something new.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think what he is saying is that the death of Pete's best friend shouldn't be completely ignored in the next film. And I would agree with that.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

no retcon. Period.

 

[bullets]

A part of the symbiote is with Dr Connors and I don't think that will be ignored.

Harry's death should be acknowledged , He was always a good character .

I don't think we've seen the last of Sandman.




There is nothing they could do besides making a really good spider-man 4.

 

[DACrowe]

A thread whining about SM3 in a SM4 board. Noooooooo, there is no thread like this on a Spidey movie board.

BTW Peter burning Harry and hitting MJ were two of the best aspects of that movie as it were the only few times that actually showed black suited Peter growing into a truly cruel person. Also, I'll take "surf board Harry" over green ranger Harry.

Anyway, how do you move on? You don't reference the events much but acknowledge the growth. Peter and MJ should be a little worn-battered and a lot more mature/adult after the events of SM3 and Harry should be dead and mourned. Do we need to go over him dancing in the streets and Peter rambling on about how much joy he took from watching Brock die? Not really and I doubt they will.

And to posters who say "I disliked SM3 enough that I want them to spend SM4 trying to "fix" its problems...." why? If you hated that movie, you would hate anytime wasted on it. And when you have 2+ hours to tell a story, why not focus on that story as opposed to making continuity-friendly concessions to the anal? Make SM4 a great film. A retcon at this point would be an awful lot alike when the butler revealed he cleaned Norman's wounds and knows how he died (that is your basic retcon and it SUCKS). No more, thanks.

 

[[A]]

A part of the symbiote is with Dr Connors and I don't think that will be ignored

I forgot about it

 

[Sentinel X]

this is bad writting IMO. its a comicbook movie realesed in summer. harry is dead. move on. this is not a tv series where the previous episode is connected to the new. this will be a new movie. a new adventure. lets move on.

people will not come in the theater to watch how peter talks about this. they want a fun movie with spiderman.

if they still didnt learn their leasson then its over.

No its not.

Harry's death should have an impact on Peter just like Uncle Ben's death is. He wasn't just a random villain turn good last minute...he was the 2nd biggest supporting character in the franchise and had an arc devoted to him that spanned throughout all 3 films.
Now, if the writers make this as melodramatic and corny as some of the "emotional" scenes in SM3 it can turn ugly and back fire but they should try hard not to. spider-man shouldn't be devoid of drama just because the 3rd used it poorly.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Right...

 

[SpeterMan3]

I think there is a thread about this... I think.

FOUND IT!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=322488

 

[Secret_Riddle]

FOUND IT!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=322488

Oh well, I suppose the unique aspect of my thread is the poll.

Were also discussing several different types of retconning, not simply whether or not it should be retconned in general.

It also may be a good idea to keep this thread alive, as story details will soon be coming in.

 

[luke1234]

i picked the minor retcon choice. Spider-man 3 was poor but not poor enough to retcon the whole thing. I think the staceys can make an appearance. I think there could be a small scene of Peter reflecting on him and Harrys relationship. But overall keep them minor. Spider-man 4 should be on a whole different level of the past 3 movies in my opinion. Not in terms of SFX but rather higher the intensity and give a sense of feeling that there is much to lose.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I don't see a problem with Pete hitting MJ (wait...that came soooo out wrong...). What I mean to say is, in the comics, Pete did exactly that (hitting MJ in a moment of rage when not realizing it was her that was behind him). So including that, albeit in a slightly different circumstances, is okay in my book.