The Amazing Spider-Man Should Spidey-3 be retconned?

[AnorexicBatman]

Simple question that begs a relatively complex answer. Spidey-3 is a very sepcialmovie but for all the wrong reasons. It was supposed to be the original Dark Knight a movie so wonderfully awesome, epic and thought provoking that it blows us away and changes forever what superhero movies can and cannot do...

Unfortunately it disappointed us greatly and it was later discovered that it was a mess to begin with. Avi Arad had an unhealthy amount of control over it and forced Sam Raimi to make some ill advised changes that killed the movie. It was financially successful though thanks to the hype.

But now, 3-4 years later Sam is set to return with Spider-Man 4 and has complete control over it so that he can make it however he wants. My dream would be that Marvel strikes a deal with Sony and lets them tie in the next few movies with the new Marvel Movie-verse and the Avengers.

Sam was also reportedly not very happy with the SM3 himself and that is clear. So it begs the question that should he or rather the Studio's consider wiping it off and pretending it never happened ala Hulk (2003) and TIH?
Or would it too confusing for the non-comic fans of the movies?

I think this is a very real possibility especially because all the movies have been made under same director and studio. The reason I say it would be nice to retcon it is so that they would be able to revisit certain characters (say Venom) and story lines or will it seem like they can't think of anything new or original and are hence retreating old ground....

More specifically, it also seems that they are creating a Venom spin-off which again begs the question... are hey actually considering such a movie since Venom died in SM3?

Discuss...

At the very least I would like to see Harry Osborn's character to return and be given a sidelines role as seen with his father in the "Spectacular Spider-Man" animated series

 

[MaskedManJRK]

My dream would be that Marvel strikes a deal with Sony and lets them tie in the next few movies with the new Marvel Movie-verse and the Avengers.

Sam was also reportedly not very happy with the SM3 himself and that is clear. So it begs the question that should he or rather the Studio's consider wiping it off and pretending it never happened ala Hulk (2003) and TIH?

The problem with trying to make 4 into something akin to TIH is that TIH had a couple more years of waiting in-between then 3 & 4, and TIH had a completely different cast and crew, so that's not really going to happen.

 

[Venom75]

As far as Venom goes,I think his solo film should be the project that sets things right as far as his character and the symbiote is concerned. Instead of making it Venom vs. Carnage,they should just make it Venom: Dark Origin. Have it be a complete retelling of Venom's origin,how Spidey got the suit,Eddie Brock's downfall;etc. That way,it would give a more detailed and darker version of what Spider-man 3 should've been. So,I think it would clear the character of Venom/Eddie Brock of the mistake of Spidey 3.
But when it comes to Spider-man 4,I don't think the 3rd one should be ignored. It had it's flaws but I don't think it's a horrible movie by any means. In my opinion,Raimi and co. will probably just forget about it and concern themselves with part 4. As far as The Hulk and TIH goes,the first one never really had a sequel and that probably made it much more easier to "remake" it.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

no, spider-man 3 should not be retconned.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Hahahahahahah

No

 

[Spider-Fan]

:facepalm

 

[The Squirrel]

It's shouldn't be retconned, but SM4 needs to take the franchise in a refreshing, new direction.

 

[Symbiote666]

Of course not. SM3 was overcrowded, simple as. It was poor, but not franchise ruining. (See Terminator 3, providing T4 does well).

 

[LightningFlash]

^^ There are flaws with your post.

1.) I have said many times that I hated Spider-Man 3, and I had NEVER said I wanted a wrestler to play Venom. I did think that Raimi should've found someone that could look the part for both, and stick with the 616 version, so we would have an actual built Venom in the end. And he should've been bigger, yes, but not "slobbery bigger"...just someone that easily looks bigger than Spider-Man, and it was hard to distinguish that in a battle during the night, imo.

Plus it wasn't just Venom: Sandman's storyline and him becoming a giant, then flying away into dust was just idiotic. He grew into a ******ed brown Frosty and then Peter didn't bring him in; Marko flew away.

2.) Terminator Salvation is pretty much after Judgment Day. There is no tie-in with Rise of the Machines because of its plothole with Connor's age and the death of Sarah.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

:facepalm

I second that.

 

[thejon93]

Simple question that begs a relatively complex answer. Spidey-3 is a very sepcialmovie but for all the wrong reasons. It was supposed to be the original Dark Knight a movie so wonderfully awesome, epic and thought provoking that it blows us away and changes forever what superhero movies can and cannot do...

Unfortunately it disappointed us greatly and it was later discovered that it was a mess to begin with. Avi Arad had an unhealthy amount of control over it and forced Sam Raimi to make some ill advised changes that killed the movie. It was financially successful though thanks to the hype.

But now, 3-4 years later Sam is set to return with Spider-Man 4 and has complete control over it so that he can make it however he wants. My dream would be that Marvel strikes a deal with Sony and lets them tie in the next few movies with the new Marvel Movie-verse and the Avengers.

Sam was also reportedly not very happy with the SM3 himself and that is clear. So it begs the question that should he or rather the Studio's consider wiping it off and pretending it never happened ala Hulk (2003) and TIH?
Or would it too confusing for the non-comic fans of the movies?

I think this is a very real possibility especially because all the movies have been made under same director and studio. The reason I say it would be nice to retcon it is so that they would be able to revisit certain characters (say Venom) and story lines or will it seem like they can't think of anything new or original and are hence retreating old ground....

More specifically, it also seems that they are creating a Venom spin-off which again begs the question... are hey actually considering such a movie since Venom died in SM3?

Discuss...

At the very least I would like to see Harry Osborn's character to return and be given a sidelines role as seen with his father in the "Spectacular Spider-Man" animated series

I see that you're obviously trying to bring up interesting discussion. However, it doesn't really help when you've heard it all before.

Instead of, taking the luxury of, telling people what would be "cool" to do, why don't you give us a sense of logic behind such an idea? How is it even the slightest bit logical to bring back Harry Osborn and his father back from the dead? If you can give me a logical answer to my question, I'll gladly accept it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

^^ There are flaws with your post.

1.) I have said many times that I hated Spider-Man 3, and I had NEVER said I wanted a wrestler to play Venom. I did think that Raimi should've found someone that could look the part for both, and stick with the 616 version, so we would have an actual built Venom in the end. And he should've been bigger, yes, but not "slobbery bigger"...just someone that easily looks bigger than Spider-Man, and it was hard to distinguish that in a battle during the night, imo.

Plus it wasn't just Venom: Sandman's storyline and him becoming a giant, then flying away into dust was just idiotic. He grew into a ******ed brown Frosty and then Peter didn't bring him in; Marko flew away.

2.) Terminator Salvation is pretty much after Judgment Day. There is no tie-in with Rise of the Machines because of its plothole with Connor's age and the death of Sarah.

Once again, :facepalm

 

[LightningFlash]

Once again, :facepalm

Once again, you pull the Picard, but nothing valuable to say.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think I said all that needed to be said

 

[Doctor Jones]

Only in your dreams will it happen.

Seriously, do you people think it could really happen?

 

[Eelectro 2]

its as simple as spider-man 4 needs to be a great film. whether they use lizard, morbius, kraven, or whoever, as long as it s a good film it doesn't matter.
i like spider-man 3 very much, i would just like it more if they put the extended cut out. they deleted scenes that were crucial to understanding sandmans and eddies motives for what they were doing in the film. i'm sure the movie would have been good if they left it at what raimi originally intended (vulture replacing venom and gwen stacy being in the finale instead of mary jane) but since that changed i can live with how it is as long as part 4 brings the standards back up to where they seemed to be with the general public with s-m 1 and 2.

 

[The Joker]

No need to retcon it. It happened. It was a terrible movie. But it's done now.

Lets get the series back on it's feet by making SM-4 great.

 

[Adrian89]

^^ There are flaws with your post.

1.) I have said many times that I hated Spider-Man 3, and I had NEVER said I wanted a wrestler to play Venom. I did think that Raimi should've found someone that could look the part for both, and stick with the 616 version, so we would have an actual built Venom in the end. And he should've been bigger, yes, but not "slobbery bigger"...just someone that easily looks bigger than Spider-Man, and it was hard to distinguish that in a battle during the night, imo.

Plus it wasn't just Venom: Sandman's storyline and him becoming a giant, then flying away into dust was just idiotic. He grew into a ******ed brown Frosty and then Peter didn't bring him in; Marko flew away.

2.) Terminator Salvation is pretty much after Judgment Day. There is no tie-in with Rise of the Machines because of its plothole with Connor's age and the death of Sarah.

Absolutely correct, I agree on everything.

And I also find the Sandman part really annyoing (his storyline, the way he turned into giant lameness, everything about him in SM3) and tieing him up with Ben Parker's past was just a stupid excuse for Raimi to bring his favorite villain on screen.

Well, like Joker wrote above, no need to recon it, let's just hope for a good SM4.

 

[Crook]

I think as many elements of SM3 need to be ignored for SM4. Imo there were so many problems I had with SM3 that I hope to god isn't even addressed with future stories. Raimi doesn't necessarily have to retcon/abolish it from continuity, but make it so that people can go from SM1-SM2-SM4 with absolutely no problems. Just move on and try to step on as little feet as possible.

Please everyone that way.

 

[venom892]

The only thing that has to carry on from 3 to 4 is that Harry is dead.That's it.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Sony would make money,the fans would be happy,Raimi would be happy since he would have total control.Sandman and Venom are two cool villains but they weren't in SM3.They shouldn't of been in the same movie.

As much as I want to see the Lizard next,I would rather see them remake SM3 while making SM4 back to back.SM3 could be really dark,there shouldn't be any happy endings in it.

SM3:
-Brother(Pete) vs (Harry) Brother
-Harry should be the main villain.
-Show Harry working with independent scientists on high tech weapons.
-Have MJ get killed when Pete and Harry are fighting,so it will be both of their fault.

-Make Harry the Hobgoblin so fans can see their favorite villain on screen.
-Have Harry get paralyzed from the neck down during a fight with black spidey.

-Show Flint Marko being bailed out of jail,as Flint Marko walks out of the police staion,a limo pulls up where paralyzed Harry makes Flint Marko a deal he can't refuse.

-Show paralyzed Harry,a scientist,and Flint Marko in a room where they are doing an experimental procedure (Makes Sandman).

-Don't show red/blue spidey in the movie at all.
-Black spidey kills Sandman on purpose.
-Show Harry moving more of his body through out the movie.
-Black spidey visits Harry after he finds out that Harry created Sandman to kill him.
-Harry all healed up in Goblin's lair when an alarm goes off.Harry sees on the monitor that black spidey is the intruder.Harry suits up and exits the Goblin's lair to face black spidey.
-Black spidey kills Harry (Hobgoblin),so he thinks.
-Black spidey decides to take off the symbiote.
-Venom cliffhanger.
-No happy endings.

SM4:

Would be about redemption for Pete and for Harry.They were both villains in SM3,but in SM4 they would both be heroes.

-While spidey is back in the red/blue costume trying to redeeme himself,he faces Venom.
-Venom frees all the prisoners in a prison,undoing what spidey has done.
-Crime goes up.
-Venom takes Aunt May hostage.
-When Spidey is about to be killed,Harry(Hobgoblin) shows up to try and redeem himself.
-Aunt May finds out the identity of spidey,Hobgoblin,and Green Goblin when they have a chat after the battle when Aunt May gives a speech.

 

[Adrian89]

-Venom takes Aunt May hostage.
-Aunt May finds out the identity of spidey,Hobgoblin,and Green Goblin when they have a chat after the battle when Aunt May gives a speech.

Oh come on now, do you really think her heart can endure all of that?

I think as many elements of SM3 need to be ignored for SM4. Imo there were so many problems I had with SM3 that I hope to god isn't even addressed with future stories. Raimi doesn't necessarily have to retcon/abolish it from continuity, but make it so that people can go from SM1-SM2-SM4 with absolutely no problems. Just move on and try to step on as little feet as possible.

Please everyone that way.

Agreed!

 

[webhead731]

Simple question that begs a relatively complex answer. Spidey-3 is a very sepcialmovie but for all the wrong reasons. It was supposed to be the original Dark Knight a movie so wonderfully awesome, epic and thought provoking that it blows us away and changes forever what superhero movies can and cannot do...

Unfortunately it disappointed us greatly and it was later discovered that it was a mess to begin with. Avi Arad had an unhealthy amount of control over it and forced Sam Raimi to make some ill advised changes that killed the movie. It was financially successful though thanks to the hype.

But now, 3-4 years later Sam is set to return with Spider-Man 4 and has complete control over it so that he can make it however he wants. My dream would be that Marvel strikes a deal with Sony and lets them tie in the next few movies with the new Marvel Movie-verse and the Avengers.

Sam was also reportedly not very happy with the SM3 himself and that is clear. So it begs the question that should he or rather the Studio's consider wiping it off and pretending it never happened ala Hulk (2003) and TIH?
Or would it too confusing for the non-comic fans of the movies?

I think this is a very real possibility especially because all the movies have been made under same director and studio. The reason I say it would be nice to retcon it is so that they would be able to revisit certain characters (say Venom) and story lines or will it seem like they can't think of anything new or original and are hence retreating old ground....

More specifically, it also seems that they are creating a Venom spin-off which again begs the question... are hey actually considering such a movie since Venom died in SM3?

Discuss...

At the very least I would like to see Harry Osborn's character to return and be given a sidelines role as seen with his father in the "Spectacular Spider-Man" animated series

People have to understand that just because some fans weren't happy with it doesn't mean EVERY fan was unhappy with it. You scrap Spider-Man 3, you'll piss alot of people off, you'll make some people happy too.

And where are you getting all this Dark Knight BS? Dark Knight wasn't even advertised at the time of Spider-Man 3, we barely had anything to go off of.
All the Spider-Man movies have been serious, but have had plenty of humor in them as well. Batman is a completely different story.

 

[LightningFlash]

I think I said all that needed to be said

Wait, wait...just figured something out...

I wasn't even replying to a post by you, I was replying to someone else...so why the hell did you even reply to me?

I said nothing about Spider-Man 3 needing a retconned; I just cleared out what someone's post said.

So what you needed to say really meant nothing to my post.

So good job on just replying to me twice, which was just you pretty much spamming because your nonsense replies weren't needed.

Congrats.

Maybe go to the Iron Man forums next and there you can try this:

Yes?

 

[thejon93]

Sony would make money,the fans would be happy,Raimi would be happy since he would have total control.Sandman and Venom are two cool villains but they weren't in SM3.They shouldn't of been in the same movie.

As much as I want to see the Lizard next,I would rather see them remake SM3 while making SM4 back to back.SM3 could be really dark,there shouldn't be any happy endings in it.

SM3:
-Brother(Pete) vs (Harry) Brother
-Harry should be the main villain.
-Show Harry working with independent scientists on high tech weapons.
-Have MJ get killed when Pete and Harry are fighting,so it will be both of their fault.

-Make Harry the Hobgoblin so fans can see their favorite villain on screen.
-Have Harry get paralyzed from the neck down during a fight with black spidey.

-Show Flint Marko being bailed out of jail,as Flint Marko walks out of the police staion,a limo pulls up where paralyzed Harry makes Flint Marko a deal he can't refuse.

-Show paralyzed Harry,a scientist,and Flint Marko in a room where they are doing an experimental procedure (Makes Sandman).

-Don't show red/blue spidey in the movie at all.
-Black spidey kills Sandman on purpose.
-Show Harry moving more of his body through out the movie.
-Black spidey visits Harry after he finds out that Harry created Sandman to kill him.
-Harry all healed up in Goblin's lair when an alarm goes off.Harry sees on the monitor that black spidey is the intruder.Harry suits up and exits the Goblin's lair to face black spidey.
-Black spidey kills Harry (Hobgoblin),so he thinks.
-Black spidey decides to take off the symbiote.
-Venom cliffhanger.
-No happy endings.

SM4:

Would be about redemption for Pete and for Harry.They were both villains in SM3,but in SM4 they would both be heroes.

-While spidey is back in the red/blue costume trying to redeeme himself,he faces Venom.
-Venom frees all the prisoners in a prison,undoing what spidey has done.
-Crime goes up.
-Venom takes Aunt May hostage.
-When Spidey is about to be killed,Harry(Hobgoblin) shows up to try and redeem himself.
-Aunt May finds out the identity of spidey,Hobgoblin,and Green Goblin when they have a chat after the battle when Aunt May gives a speech.

That's pretty much what I wanted from 'Spider-Man 3' to begin with. With the caliber of Franco's performance in 'Spider-Man 3', I really did wish that he was featured as the main villain in the movie. That's what pissed me off so much about the movie; they wasted great characters, great actors and great conclusions to well-developed storylines.