Chris Benoit Dead

[ArmyDragon92A]

Yes lets ignore the last three days of his life where he destroyed everything that was or should have been truly important to him. Yeah, what a hero.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Yes lets ignore the last three days of his life where he destroyed everything that was or should have been truly important to him. Yeah, what a hero.

Yeah, because you were there and you know what happened.

You never answered my question. What will you do if you're proven wrong?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actors and actresses actually get too much respect as it is.

ill agree to that as well

 

[Shoemeister]

I enjoy wrestling and still watch Monday Night RAW, usually every week. Chris Benoit was a hell of an athlete and an amazing wrestler... one of the best ever. For his talent and work ethic, as a performer, I had the utmost respect for the guy. I also had the privelege of seeing him before at live events.

But to hear what he, as a person, may have done to his family is just so unbelievably sad. If it was indeed a "double murder-suicide" like they're reporting, then his act of cowardice is downright dispicable and leaves me, as a fan of his wrestling career, HIGHLY disappointed. Despite all of his accomplishments, this will be what he's *really* remembered for and that's very sad to go out like that, but he obviously made the decision entirely himself. I feel horrible for the family and especially that poor 7-year old son of his, as well as his daughter and other son who are now without parents. It just really made me sick to my stomach when I learned of the details. I dread what the the results of the autopsies and such will be. I'll forever appreciate the thrills his matches were able to provide for me, but his image is now tainted in my mind. A wrestling legend who will forever be remembered as a coward who took the easy way out. Awful... just awful.

A sad day for the sport of wrestling. My heart truly goes out to the family.

 

[Dope Nose]

I don't kid myself ever. Let alone say a man is guilty when a court of law says otherwise. I know damn well he did it. But I wanted someone to prove it.

he was found liable in the civil trial.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Paris is being released later today and what are you talking about? OJ never did anything.

thought she still had a week or 2? anyway.. a club was throwing a "paris hiltron release party" the other day, i wanted to puke, she should be in jail longer. and are you that much in denile? OJ got away with murder man

 

[Joker]

the fact you call it a "match" and holding a belt.. i'ts scripted NOT REAL the MATCH is not real.. the accidents are though... wrestling fans seem to confuse the two. "winning" a match or a belt is nothing more then a promotion, and of course you'd get paid more you have a bigger fanbase and are more marketable..

Look, no one is arguing the fact that everything is scripted. No one is arguing the fact that the outcomes are determined beforehand. What we are arguing is the fact that most wrestling matches themselves are not rehearsed beforehand, they are done improv. The larger spots will be, but other than that it's all down to rythym, timing, and being good at what you do in there. Regardless of how you do it, putting someone in the ankle lock, or crippler crossface is going to hurt. Getting german suplexed off the top rope is going to hurt. That's why alot of wrestlers careers dont last more than 20 years or so, because by that time they're so injured from being constantly working they just can't do it anymore. It's not just the accidents that hurt, it's almost everything they do out there. Not only is there athletecism involved, I would go so far as to say it's almost an art form, such as ballet (but with big sweaty guys instead of tiny little girls...the tights are the same though...).

And the titles come from going out there and busting your ass everynight to entertain. Yes, they don't actually win them in a competition, but in a way, yes they do. Whoever is in the best shape, and is the best worker is usually going to end up with a belt. And with that belt comes knowing that you are the best at what you do. Who cares if what you do isn't a sport in the traditional sense. There's still competition there, to go out and put on the best match and get the biggest cheers and get to be the most popular worker, so you can be on top. If you don't understand this, you must be thicker than any of us dumb wrestling fans who can't read, according to you .

 

[KangConquers]

Yes lets ignore the last three days of his life where he destroyed everything that was or should have been truly important to him. Yeah, what a hero.

Did you miss the part where I said that I am apalled with what he did, or were you too busy stroking off to some Elisha Cuthbert manip in some other thread?

His body of work is intimidatingly good, and worthy of respect. Doesn't make him a good person, though it pains me to say that someone who I thought was a good person for over 10 years turned out to be this.

 

[Joker]

Yes lets ignore the last three days of his life where he destroyed everything that was or should have been truly important to him. Yeah, what a hero.

I belive you were reffering with this post to LastSunrise saying to go to Chris Jericho's website. Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit are two totally different people. Jericho is in fact semi-retired right now, doing nothing but touring with his metal band Fozzy and sitting on his ass.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Exactly. But how exactly do you fake a fall? How exactly do you fake falling on REAL thumbtacks? How do you fake sometimes being hit in the face with a chair?

Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if you're educated at all when it comes to wrestling. No one is saying it's real and that the outcomes aren't decided. It is basically acting in its purest form. But to not respect what they do is an insult to them and the profession.

Just so you know, it takes a ****load of training to be able to get into professional wrestling.

Accidents do happen, but I found a new respect for them when I see the amount of training they have to do in order to become a professional wrestler. I always had respect for those men and women who risk their lives basically wanting to entertain fans.

You say it's not a sport? I like you to walk up to Bret Hart, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Steve Austin, The Rock, Edge, and say what you said with a straight face. You remind me of that reporter who interviewed Edge and tried to mock him saying "We all know wrestling is fake. Sorry guys."

Edge owned her in brilliant fashion "Well, you know this "fake" sport gave me a broken neck."

falling on thumbtacks wasn't planned.. lol, and yes falling isn't fake.. but they know how to land, and practice falling so they dont kill themselves like stuntmen do.

and like i said things sometimes go unplanned and they get seriously injured

 

[Jerry!]

For all of you hating on the Benoit fans, you have to understand what Benoit meant to his fans.

Benoit was not The Rock or Hulk Hogan; he wasn't 6'6". He was only 5'11", he was kind of ugly, and not very charismatic. He was told through out his career that he would fail, because so much of wrestling is trash talking.

Benoit busted his ass for 22 years, and never gave it less than 100%. When I was younger, he gave people like me a hero to believe in. Someone who busted their ass, and overcame adversity to reach the pinnacle of their field. He was a technical master, and that was enough. He wasn't hip, he wasn't cool, he was just the best.

Put John Lennon in the same situation; if he'd pulled a murder suicide, would his music not still be worthy of respect? If Tiger Woods shot his woman, and threw his baby in the river, would he cease to be the most talented golfer ever?

I'm not approving of what Benoit did. I'm hurt, and apalled. At the same time, Benoit was a hero to me, and though he may not have really been the man I thought he was, the fact that he carried himself that way, and I believed in him, and millions of fans believed in him says something.

As of Thursday, Benoit was not a murderer. That's what we're celebrating. Where he was for the first 40 years of his life, not the last 3 days.

As for those of you dissing on wrestling as an occupation, I could give a ****. What does the opinion of a bunch of 13 year old pimpled dickweeds mean to me in any area other than comic books. The fact is, you should love wrestling, since pro-wrestlers are the closest the world has to real super heroes.

If my comments offend you, well...too bad. That's how I feel.

Joker that was in response to this guy. Remember the 40 years of his life that he built and ignore the 3 days it took for him to completely destroy everything he stood for. Yeah, a person like that doesn't deserve respect.

And the closest thing to superheroes we have are wrestlers? Are you ****ting me? Firefighters for ****s sake. Medics, search and rescue workers, the list goes on.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Regardless of the accidents, getting slammed, chopped, put into submission holds (the same ones that are used in mat wrestling) still hurts like a b**ch. You keep focusing on one argument here, that isnt really even an argument as everyone agrees that things can go wrong. But even when things go right, it hurts like a b**ch.

so your telling me to respect the men of the show "jackass" now? lol..

i give these guys as much respect but the SAME respect as a stunt man, they put on a good show. but i wont respect them in the same way as i'd respect a "real" sportsman who uses there abilities to actually win, theres a dif

 

[Joker]

falling on thumbtacks wasn't planned.. lol, and yes falling isn't fake.. but they know how to land, and practice falling so they dont kill themselves like stuntmen do.

and like i said things sometimes go unplanned and they get seriously injured

falling on the thumbtacks eventually was planned, as is alot of the hardcore stuff they did in Attitude era WWE and ECW...flaming tables, barbed wire matches, etc. No way to fake any of that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

falling on the thumbtacks eventually was planned, as is alot of the hardcore stuff they did in Attitude era WWE and ECW...flaming tables, barbed wire matches, etc. No way to fake any of that.

aye aye aye, the way it's "suppose" to go as scripted though is to not cause alot of injury and nothing serious.

 

[Fading]

please, you really think those tables and chairs are real? and that there not prepped how to fall to make things hurt less and more safe? i've taken a stunt acting class even, you can easily make things look like they hurt 10times more then they would (though again, i wont say what they do doesnt hurt them, but not nearly as much as it looks, (unless something goes wrong))

Actually Mic Foley was very hurt there....

First off that first fall dislocated his shoulders. So the fans wouldn't miss out since this was a PPV, he got back up while they were taking him out on a stretcher and ran back down. You could see blood and tell something was wrong. The second fall gave him a concussion and knocked out a tooth or two if memory serves and got a huge gash in his lip. One of his broken teeth aspirated into his sinus cavity. So basically one of his teeth was sticking out thru one of his nostrils, which yes you could see. Most of the damage to his face was caused by that chair that fell on his face with the second fall as it chased after him quick and smashed his face with the impact.

Not to count Mic Foley lost half his ear in a previous wrestling match. There are much better wrestlers to try and accuse of taking safe padded falls than Mic Foley. He's basically the poster boy for wrestlers who have taken very hard bumps, and gotten permanent damage in the ring.

 

[Fading]

Everytime a wrestler dies, some of us fans always get suckered into the real vs fake argument. Let it go guys. We did the same **** when Eddie died :

Agreed. It's stupid how ppl always find a way to bring up the real vs. fake argument when wrestlings mentioned, even when it's a thread about the death of a man, woman and child . I'll drop it.

 

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, Mic Foley was hardcore. He even used to do Back Yard wrestling, which actually was real.

 

[OverMyHead]

C'mon, Joker, don't watch wrestling, it's kids entertainment.

Go watch UFC or something--something raw and real.

 

[Fading]

so your telling me to respect the men of the show "jackass" now? lol..

i give these guys as much respect but the SAME respect as a stunt man, they put on a good show. but i wont respect them in the same way as i'd respect a "real" sportsman who uses there abilities to actually win, theres a dif

Stutmen go to Iraq and perform in front of the troops now? Take entire days out of their 320+ day a year schedules to talk to children with disabilities or dying children in hospitals? Perform for charities? Go out of their way when dead tired and beaten to sign autographs long after their job is over?

It's something non-wrestling fans will ever get I think. Their's a respect inbetween wrestling fans, and the wrestlers themselves that other forms of media just don't seem to have. It may sound stupid, but it's there. Wrestlers aren't like stars, they constantly thank the fans for putting food on their table. They aren't like stuntmen either because they go far, far out of their way to make the fans happy. Just because you aren't into something and don't respect it doesn't mean others can't.

 

[Jerry!]

So to sum up a few pages worth of going back and forth on this topic, wrestling story lines are fake, but the act itself takes skill and athleticism and a lot of work involved year 'round in which the wrestlers should gain respect for. Except for the ones that flush it all the down the drain and kill their family. Because as any sane person would agree, no person deserves anything no matter what they achieved after killing their family. Because they are murderers. "And thats the bottom line..."

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

so it's being reported now that he strangled them and hanged himself

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Gee. Things just keep piling up....people can start losing those avvys and RIP dedications to a murderer.

 

[Lantern Venom]

C'mon, Joker, don't watch wrestling, it's kids entertainment.

Go watch UFC or something--something raw and real.

One really has nothing to do with the other. UFC is sport. Pro wrestling is a live action movie. Fans watch for different reasons. Yes, some people thinks it low-brow and juvenile but most of those same people think the same thing about comic books.

 

[Lantern Venom]

so it's being reported now that he strangled them and hanged himself

I've been following wrestling for 30 years. Tragic death is unfortunately common in the biz. That being said, this may be the most awful thing ever connected with wrestling. This even surpasses the Bruiser Brody's death at the hands of Invader 1 in terms of sheer shocking horror.
I mourn for Benoit's remaining children and other surviving famiy members.

 

[Jerry!]

Gee. Things just keep piling up....people can start losing those avvys and RIP dedications to a murderer.

Yeah thats going to be interesting. Probably be a few that won't.