Christian man forced to reproduce lesbian videos

[Man-Thing]

Christian forced to reproduce lesbian films sues
Businessman claims county-order violates his religious beliefs, values

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Posted: June 8, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A film-and-video lab owner has filed suit against a county Human Rights Commission for ordering him to duplicate two pro-homosexual videos produced by a lesbian activist.

Tim Bono and Bono Film and Video, Inc. of Arlington, Va., is challenging the authority of the Arlington County Human Rights Commission, the Arlington County Board and Arlington County.

The controversy began when Tim Bono was contacted by lesbian activist Lilli Vincenz via e-mail to reproduce documentaries entitled "Gay and Proud" and "Second Largest Minority."

Bono told Vincenz his company does not duplicate material that is obscene, could embarrass employees, hurt the company's reputation or runs counter to the company's core values and to Christian ethics.

Vincenz filed a complaint with the Arlington Human Rights Commission under the county's nondiscrimination ordinance, which was amended to include "sexual orientation."

On April 13, the commission entered a decision directing Bono Film to "provide the requested duplication service at the complainant's expense or in the alternative to assist the complainant in locating a suitable facility where this service can be provided at the Bono Film and Video's expense."

Bono, represented by Florida-based Liberty Counsel, argues Virginia law, under a provision called "Dillon's Rule," prohibits local government from passing or enforcing nondiscrimination laws that are not authorized by the state.

The state does not list "sexual orientation" as a protected civil right or class.

Liberty Counsel says that in addition to removing the county commission's authority to enforce "sexual orientation" nondiscrimination laws, the lawsuit also will affect several other Virginia counties that have illegally passed "sexual orientation" antidiscrimination laws.

The suit also alleges violations of Bono's freedom of speech and free exercise of religion.

Erik Stanley, chief counsel of Liberty Counsel, contends that just as a newspaper is not required to run every proposed ad, a duplicator or printer is not obligated to reproduce every proposed copy.

"Mr. Bono does not have to reproduce a customer's hate speech, obscenity or pornography, nor may a customer hijack Mr. Bono's business and force him to promote a homosexual agenda," he said.

Stanley points out that several years ago, the Virginia attorney general issued an opinion concluding that local "sexual orientation" laws violated state law.

Bono's case is similar to that of Scott Brockie, a Canadian Christian printer who was penalized $5,000 in 2001 for refusing to print letterhead for a homosexual advocacy group.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50554

I don't see any other way around it than if you agree this man should be forced to reproduce something by the government- then you hate liberty.:

 

[jks]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50554

I don't see any other way around it than if you agree this man should be forced to reproduce something by the government- then you hate liberty.:

Quite the opposite. This man is clearly discriminating against a group of people, which is illegal according to the ordinance listed.

 

[Addendum]

Businesses don't have to take every job offer that comes their way.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Businesses don't have to take every job offer that comes their way.

^Yep

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Businesses don't have to take every job offer that comes their way.

A buisness can turn down you down for any or no reason. So you are correct there.

 

[The Overlord]

Are these real lesbians or porno lesbians, because if these are porno lesbians, I would reproduce the tapes, for free.

 

[Man-Thing]

real
lol

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Are these real lesbians or porno lesbians, because if these are porno lesbians, I would reproduce the tapes, for free.

I agree with you except for the free part. I would have to have a personal copy.

 

[Batty for Bats!]

Lol! that dyke makes baby Jesus question his sexuality.
I'm glad the video store owner won out. Nobody should force someone to do anything reguarding "favors" cause the guy doesn't have to do ****.

 

[kainedamo]

Businesses aren't allowed to discriminate on the grounds of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

If the video were a black rights video and the guy refused because "it went against the company's core values" people would be crying foul.

 

[Addendum]

Businesses aren't allowed to discriminate on the grounds of race, religion, or sexual orientation.

If the video were a black rights video and the guy refused because "it went against the company's core values" people would be crying foul.

Buisnesses are not required to take all the job offers that come their way.

Why should a business that is faith-based take a job offer that goes against their beliefs?

 

[Batty for Bats!]

One's rights stop where another person's begin. Since it was the video owner's store, he should have been able to turn down the business.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Buisnesses are not required to take all the job offers that come their way.

Why should a business that is faith-based take a job offer that goes against their beliefs?

A faith based buisness should not.

 

[Addendum]

And one would be safe in guessing that there are more businesses that duplicate film and video besides a faith based one.

The store owner of this faith-based business should not suffer because the person who initiated contact failed to research the company or find other companies

 

[Emrys]

I have to agree, if someone would tell me I would have to print some christian hate propaganda I'd politely tell them to not let the door hit them where God split them. on the other hand, it's mighty devisive and that in the end is not a good thing. The logical consequence to such a thing is that you would have to split society into tiny little fractions at war with each other, a christian one, an attheist one etc.

 

[kainedamo]

You guys are missing the point entirely.

The guy is running a business. Businesses have many regulations and laws that they are supposed to follow. It is a business!! You can't refuse a person a job because they are gay, you can't fire a person because they are gay, and *shock horror* you can't turn away a client because they are gay.

 

[Addendum]

I have to agree, if someone would tell me I would have to print some christian hate propaganda I'd politely tell them to not let the door hit them where God split them. on the other hand, it's mighty devisive and that in the end is not a good thing.

Since when is dissention a bad thing

 

[Addendum]

You guys are missing the point entirely.

The guy is running a business. Businesses have many regulations and laws that they are supposed to follow. It is a business!! You can't refuse a person a job because they are gay, you can't fire a person because they are gay, and *shock horror* you can't turn away a client because they are gay.

Show the law that states that businesses must take EVERY job offer from prospective clients that comes their way...

...waits...

 

[Emrys]

Since when is dissention a bad thing

Because it fractures society down into groups that cannot handle each other thanks to a fundamental difference in their believe system. The end of that spiral would be violent conflict.

 

[Addendum]

Because it fractures society down into groups that cannot handle each other thanks to a fundamental difference in their believe system. The end if that spiral would be violent conflict.

Everyone does not have to agree with everyone about everything.

 

[kainedamo]

Show the law that states that businesses must take EVERY job offer from prospective clients that comes their way...

...waits...

Why are you being so illogical??

No one ever said that businesses have to take EVERY job that comes their way. All that is being said is that businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. The dude in the story discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation, nothing else. THAT is discrimination, which is businesses are not allowed to do. Businesses can turn away clients for many reasons, but not on the basis of race or sexual orientation or religion.

 

[Emrys]

Everyone does not have to agree with everyone about everything.

Oh agreed, the point is that this is going beyond simple disagreements this is stating to turn into a full fledged wedge that separates society. The last time that happened in western civilization was when it was fragmented into protestantism and catholicism, and that lead to a pretty bloody war. Now of course I don't predict that but it is not a good sign when subcultures start to become exclusive of other subcultures. That leads only to mistrust and hatred among the groups. Ask yourself do you really want a society that consists of a christian block, an atheist block, a block for every other religon and cultural wave without anything that connects them? That's tribalism and tribes tend to go to war against each other.

 

[Emrys]

Why are you being so illogical??

No one ever said that businesses have to take EVERY job that comes their way. All that is being said is that businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. The dude in the story discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation, nothing else. THAT is discrimination, which is businesses are not allowed to do. Businesses can turn away clients for many reasons, but not on the basis of race or sexual orientation or religion.

I agree too because it leads to more harm than it does good. My answer in said situation would be "eye for an eye", in essence I would immediately cease all business ties with christians and my reason would be, because your religion goes against my core values.

And you can bet christians would cry "bloody murder" almost instantly. The fun thing is, they demand protection against discrimination like this but don't want others to have the same protection too.

The funny thing is, they are now experiencing what they subjugated others too in the past. Talk about karmic justice. Sucks to have to walk a mile in the others shoes.

 

[Addendum]

Why are you being so illogical??

No one ever said that businesses have to take EVERY job that comes their way. All that is being said is that businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. The dude in the story discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation, nothing else. THAT is discrimination, which is businesses are not allowed to do. Businesses can turn away clients for many reasons, but not on the basis of race or sexual orientation or religion.

The company in question is faith-based. Why should a company that was founded on a certain set of beliefs (in this case a christian one) take a job offer FROM A CLIENT, not an employee, whose material goes against what that company was founded on?

It's not discrimination. It's a company standing firm to it's principles and not going against them because "the money was right".

Businesses have every right to refuse a job offer from a client.

It's on the client to research the company and find out what they do. Again, I highly doubt that this christian-based film and video duplication company is the ONLY film and video duplication company in Arlington, Virginia

 

[Emrys]

The company in question is faith-based. Why should a company that was founded on a certain set of beliefs (in this case a christian one) take a job offer FROM A CLIENT, not an employee, whose material goes against what that company was founded on?

It's not discrimination. It's a company standing firm to it's principles and not going against them because "the money was right".

Businesses have every right to refuse a job offer from a client.

It's on the client to research the company and find out what they do. Again, I highly doubt that this christian-based film and video duplication company is the ONLY film and video duplication company in Arlington, Virginia

Like I said, the consequence is that I as a business owner would have the right to say to a christian costumer he can shove it cause I'm offended by his religion but by doing that I would discriminate against a religion.