Christian man forced to reproduce lesbian videos

[Harlekin]

Like I said, the consequence is that I as a business owner would have the right to say to a christian costumer he can shove it cause I'm offended by his religion but by doing that I would discriminate against a religion.

I still don't see why that is a problem. Your business, your clients. Now if it were about employees, sure, you would have a case, but clients can be refused. They don't even need to be refused on any grounds, you can just refuse to take the job.

 

[Danalys]

the punishment for such is loss of earnings. is that enough?

 

[Emrys]

I still don't see why that is a problem. Your business, your clients. Now if it were about employees, sure, you would have a case, but clients can be refused. They don't even need to be refused on any grounds, you can just refuse to take the job.

Then I see no problem, If a business can refuse christians then it's all okay, except for the fact that it causes bad blood but oh well, tribalism rules.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

I still don't see why that is a problem. Your business, your clients. Now if it were about employees, sure, you would have a case, but clients can be refused. They don't even need to be refused on any grounds, you can just refuse to take the job.

Very valid points.

 

[Man-Thing]

Then I see no problem, If a business can refuse christians then it's all okay, except for the fact that it causes bad blood but oh well, tribalism rules.

nevermind the fact that it's bad for the government to tell businesses every little detail of how to operate.

 

[kainedamo]

The company in question is faith-based. Why should a company that was founded on a certain set of beliefs (in this case a christian one) take a job offer FROM A CLIENT, not an employee, whose material goes against what that company was founded on?

The same arguments here...

I still don't see why that is a problem. Your business, your clients. Now if it were about employees, sure, you would have a case, but clients can be refused. They don't even need to be refused on any grounds, you can just refuse to take the job.

And here...

These arguments can be used to turn away black people, or chinese, or many people of different ethnic backgrounds. Do you think that is right?

Harekin is wrong. Say you own a shop. You can't say "get out of my shop, you're chinese!!". If you drive a bus, you can't refuse people that want to get on the bus because they're black. If you do that, you will get complaints. And justly and rightfully so, the law will come down on you for discrimination.

The problem with religion is that is sometimes used to justify things that normally aren't justifiable, like discrimination. Don't you see something wrong with "it's ok for them to discriminate, because their discrimination is faith-based".

 

[kainedamo]

The problem with religion is that is sometimes used to justify things that normally aren't justifiable, like discrimination. Don't you see something wrong with "it's ok for them to discriminate, because their discrimination is faith-based".

 

[Man-Thing]

The problem with religion is that is sometimes used to justify things that normally aren't justifiable, like discrimination. Don't you see something wrong with "it's ok for them to discriminate, because their discrimination is faith-based".

that's something that is a "tough luck if you don't like it" type thing. In a free market society (which is the best and most fair) people should be able to sell to whoever they want without the government sticking it's nose in it.

This goes for all people including Christians, Athiests, Hindus, Homosexuals, Satanist ect.

 

[Harlekin]

These arguments can be used to turn away black people, or chinese, or many people of different ethnic backgrounds. Do you think that is right?

Harekin is wrong. Say you own a shop. You can't say "get out of my shop, you're chinese!!". If you drive a bus, you can't refuse people that want to get on the bus because they're black. If you do that, you will get complaints. And justly and rightfully so, the law will come down on you for discrimination.

The problem with religion is that is sometimes used to justify things that normally aren't justifiable, like discrimination. Don't you see something wrong with "it's ok for them to discriminate, because their discrimination is faith-based".

I don't think it's right to turn away people of different creeds or races, but it's possible. The bus isn't a good example because its government funded, and in a shop I buy a product. But let's not dumb it down to race or creed.

Say you own a store that duplicates video tapes and somebody asks you to duplicate a porn tape. Let's imagine that you are against pornography of any kind. You have the right to refuse to duplicate that tape. You don't even need to state your reasons. You can just say: Take a hike.

Same thing here, with the pro-gay tape. If you're anti-gay, you have every right to refuse it. Thing is, if the guy had said: "I refuse because I don't want too." that would be okay. Just turns out that he doesn't want to do because it's pro-gay.

 

[Emrys]

that's something that is a "tough luck if you don't like it" type thing. In a free market society (which is the best and most fair) people should be able to sell to whoever they want without the government sticking it's nose in it.

This goes for all people including Christians, Athiests, Hindus, Homosexuals, Satanist ect.

Fine then don't complain if a restaurant owner says" No I won't serve blacks, or chinese because I don't like them"

 

[Matt]

I bet if someone refused to sell to Christian's because they were Christians, Man-Thing would have a hissy fit.

 

[Man-Thing]

Fine then don't complain if a restaurant owner says" No I won't serve blacks, or chinese because I don't like them"

okay

 

[Man-Thing]

I bet if someone refused to sell to Christian's because they were Christians, Man-Thing would have a hissy fit.

I bet if Matt were given a brain he would still be a dick.

 

[Danalys]

if i were a lesbian i'd reproduce lesbian videos with my lover. good to try things you see at times.

 

[Matt]

I bet if Matt were given a brain he would still be a dick.

How Christian of you.

 

[Man-Thing]

How Christian of you.

and how Catholic of you.

 

[Matt]

and how Catholic of you.

What is? To think that God loves everyone regardless of sexual orientation? I think that is very Catholic of me (although the church may disagree). I'm not the one calling names to my brothers and sisters. Now am I?

 

[Man-Thing]

What is? To think that God loves everyone regardless of sexual orientation? I think that is very Catholic of me (although the church may disagree). I'm not the one calling names to my brothers and sisters. Now am I?

you were being a jerk, I called you out on it. Now your pitching a hissy fit.

 

[logansoldcigar]

okay

and when its your son that loses on a college place cos he is white, are you going to say "tough luck son, them's the breaks: off to community college for you"

 

[Man-Thing]

and when its your son that loses on a college place cos he is white, are you going to say "tough luck son, them's the breaks: off to community college for you"

this is completely different from affirmative action. Affirmative Action is set up by the government, whereas this is an example of a private buisness.

two different things.

 

[Man-Thing]

I forgot to add, that if it is the colleges decision to be a "black college", then hey all the more power to them. The bottom line is it should be them to decide, not the government. The government can't pave a road correctly, I really don't think they can tell anyone how they can run their business effectively.

 

[Matt]

So if you were a law maker Man-Thing, there would still be segregation...black and white restraunts, drinking fountains, bathrooms, etc...right?

 

[logansoldcigar]

this is completely different from affirmative action. Affirmative Action is set up by the government, whereas this is an example of a private buisness.

two different things.

who said losing due to affirmative action? what oif he lost it cos the recruiter was black and didnt want to take him cos he is white. Just cos he didnt like white people.not even an all black college

Just to point out, affirmative action is , imo, discriminatory by its nature, so is wrong anyways.

 

[Man-Thing]

So if you were a law maker Man-Thing, there would still be segregation...black and white restraunts, drinking fountains, bathrooms, etc...right?

no because if it were a truly immoral thing like seperate water fountains would weed themselves out by boycotts and buisness patrons taking their buisness elsewhere. The only thing I would change in race legislature would be affirmative action.

your making it sound like I'm for the people who are racist or whatever. I'm not, I just believe people have the right to be a jerk, but jerks ultimately loose out in the longrun especially in buisness.

 

[Man-Thing]

who said losing due to affirmative action? what oif he lost it cos the recruiter was black and didnt want to take him cos he is white. Just cos he didnt like white people.not even an all black college

Just to point out, affirmative action is , imo, discriminatory by its nature, so is wrong anyways.

well, I assumed sorry.

I would basically have to suck it up and say "tuff luck".