Christopher Nolan's Inception

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Agreed. I think the people who may have left the film confused or puzzled are the ones who over think things.

After reading all the reviews I was shocked at how straightforward everything was.

And I read nothing whatsoever going in and I had no problem following it at all.

It was just great - by the time they were going into the 3rd level I turned to my mom and whispered "This is insane!" and she agreed. She loved it too, and like I said before, she was worried it would be hard to follow and didn't have a problem with it either.

The audienced into it as well. Our show was sold out and usually they get fidgety when they're not liking a movie, but they were really quiet (like, paying attention quiet) and it got a collective "ARGH!!!!" and applause at the end. Heard a lot of people raving about it on the way out. :up:
 
this answers a lot of the questions

Inception Explained: Unraveling The Dream Within The Dream

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Inception-Explained-Unraveling-The-Dream-Within-The-Dream-19615.html

How did Mal get involved in all the dream invasion stuff to begin with?
A: It’s seems pretty clear from the context of the movie that Mal and Cobb were married and engaged in legitimate dream exploration together before Mal’s death. After her death, Cobb was forced to use his knowledge of dreams to become a thief.

How do the never-ending staircases work, and how was Arthur able to use one without Ariadne, as the architect, there to alter the architecture?
A: The never-ending staircases are paradoxes (logical fallacies that can’t exist in reality). Though Ariadne designed the levels and probably designed the staircase, in the level where Arthur uses it he's the dreamer. Similar shortcuts were worked in, in advance, to the snow dream by Eams. Ariadne tells Cobb about them when they need a faster route to the fortress.

What causes the loss of gravity in the hotel dream world?
A: As it is in real life, the dreamer's dream can be affected by things happening outside the dream. If it gets cold while you’re sleeping, sometimes people dream of ice or snow. If a person falls out of bed, sometimes they’ll dream of skydiving or falling in their dream. So when the van in the dream level above the hotel falls off the bridge, the motion of those inside the van is thrown off, and that feeling of falling carries over into the dream, making it as though there’s no gravity in the hotel level below the van. This effect does not, however, seem to extend any further than one level in a [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]dream[/COLOR][/COLOR] within a dream within a dream.

Arthur blows up an elevator to create a Kick in anti-gravity. How does that work?
A: Since there is no gravity, Arthur disconnects the elevator from the cables and then uses an explosion to propel it, as it would be propelled if there were gravity. When it hits the bottom they're shaken around, creating a Kick. Arthur uses the elevator because he needs a way to insure that the Kick occurs quickly and to everyone at once so he doesn't have to do them one at a time, in much the same way the falling van drops them together.

After he’s shot and killed, they resuscitate Fisher Jr. Why couldn’t they save Saito in the same way?
A: This one had us stumped but Max Miller offers this explanation in the comments below: "Saito is shot on the first level of the dream, but doesn't die until the third. If they resuscitated him on the third level, it would only bring him back to the second where he was still dying, and if he survived that, then it would only bring him back to the first where he was dying the fastest anyway. Meanwhile, since Fischer was shot on the third level and sent to Limbo, his "bodies" on the other two levels were totally fine. The kick from the defibrillator timed correctly with the falling sensation he experienced after Ariadne pushed him off the building was enough to bring him back to normal level 3 so he could complete the mission. If she had just shot him again down in Limbo, he probably would have woken up for real and the mission would have failed."

Aren’t you supposed to be alone in limbo? Why are Cobb’s projections of his wife and kids there?
A: Our understanding is that limbo only contains things you’ve built in it, which could explain why Cobb’s limbo has so few projections. The projection of his wife is something he tells Mal at the end that he’s tried to recreate over time, so it could be that she’s more than a projection and is actually an intentional creation of his. Similarly, Saito could have created the guards which populate his limbo.

Why did Ariadne jump off the building in Cobb’s limbo if Eames was going to wake her up with his Kick in the level above?
A: Ariadne may not have been certain Eames’ Kick would work, so she was attempting to kill herself by jumping off the building. Even though we’d been told killing yourself inside the dream would only push you into limbo, Cobb has just told her that once he got to limbo with Mal they escaped by killing themselves so Ariadne knows that death is a way to escape, even though in this case it wasn’t necessary.

If the world with crumbling buildings is Cobb’s limbo, what is the place he ends up in with Saito?
A: Two different theories possible, let’s break them down one at a time:

Theory 1 The simplest answer here would be that this world isn’t actually limbo but a deeper level which perhaps Cobb has mistaken for limbo or misrepresented as limbo. You have to die to go to limbo and neither Cobb nor Ariadne dies in the ice fortress, they merely go to [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]sleep[/COLOR][/COLOR] again and enter Cobb's dream, which only resembles the world he and Mal built in limbo because Cobb has created it. (Their kids weren't with them in their original limbo, so if this were limbo again, why would they magically be there with them to live happily ever after?) Also, Cobb could have deliberately been planning how the whole level worked out - he used it to detach himself from Mal, create a projection of Fischer to compel Ariadne to get out and not go into limbo and stayed as the whole thing crumbled to get to the real limbo to help Saito. And maybe that's the reason Fischer can be revived. He wasn't really shot dead.

Theory 2 But since Ariadne tried to kill herself to escape it, and we know that killing yourself in any level but limbo will only send you to limbo, it seems as though Ariadne must have believed she was in limbo. If the crumbling city level really is a form of limbo, could that mean both Cobb and Saito in limbo, but in different limbos? If dreams are the machinations of the subconscious, and limbo is the subconscious that Cobb has built, the locations are one in the same. It’s the same reason why Cobb can no longer work as an architect. Perhaps Cobb and Saito’s final locations are the same place. If so, how does Cobb find Saito’s fortress? How does he end up on that beach? We’re full of questions on this one, but given the context of the movie this theory seems like the most likely of the two.

Why is Saito so much older than Cobb in the final dream level?
A: It's likely that Cobb and Saito are in limbo for the same amount of time, however Cobb knows he's in limbo, so perhaps this keeps him from [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]aging[/COLOR][/COLOR] visibly. Saito on the other hand seems to have forgotten where he is, and so the passage of time (which could have been decades since time runs faster the deeper you go) has more of an affect on him. Similarly, the first time Cobb and Mal end up in limbo they aged because they've forgotten where they really are and accepted it as their reality.

Does Cobb’s totem keep spinning at the end or is it about to fall off the table?
A: The fact that the film cuts away before we know for certain suggests that they want us to keep guessing. But we think it kept spinning. Here’s our reasoning: Note that at the end of the film Cobb’s kids haven’t aged. They match exactly his memory of them. A memory which must almost surely by now be out of date, since he’s been away from them for many months. Though he finally sees their faces, otherwise they look exactly as he envisioned them. They're even wearing the same clothes. In reality, his kids would now be older and different than his memories of them. This could suggest that Cobb is still in the dream and the top does indeed keep spinning after the credits roll.

Alternate Theory Aaron points this out in our comments section: "In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring." If the ring only appears when he's in a dream and he's not wearing at the end of the film, that could be confirmation that in fact, the top does stop spinning after the credits and Cobb is at last in the real world.

If the top really does keep spinning at the end and Cobb’s reality really is a dream, then why didn’t it keep spinning when he tried it earlier in the film?
A: Assuming for a moment that Cobb is still in the dream when the movie ends, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was in a dream for the entire film. The Cobb we see at the end could in fact be a man still trapped in limbo. This seems unlikely though since the film seems to indicate that Saito and Cobb killed themselves to escape it, right before waking up on the plane. See alternate theory.

Alternate Theory Ivan in the comments below suggests that it's still possible that the entire movie could be a dream because the totem may only work to ensure you're not in someone else's dream. "Think about it, YOU know your totem's trick exactly so if you were in your own host dream then you could replicate it perfectly. It is only when you are in someone else's dream that your totem does not behave in it's trick form since that host cannot architect it so. This is why [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]nobody [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]knows[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] the trick functionality of anyone else's totem!"

How do Cobb and Saito survive limbo for such an extended period of time? Isn’t your mind supposed to burn out in there?
A: The film never actually says your mind will burn out there, merely suggest that you'll become lost there and be unable to find your way out. The real obstacle to getting out of limbo seems to be realizing that you're in limbo. At the end of the film, it takes an appearance by Cobb to remind Saito that the world he's in isn't real, and once he realizes Saito reaches for a gun and, presumably, shoots himself in order to escape. It could be that your brain only actually is damaged out if you stay in Limbo for the full term, or if you stay there after the machine connection powering the dream is disconnected.

If the dream they enter at the end of the film belongs to Fisher Jr., then why does Cobb enter the limbo he built with his wife? Shouldn’t it be Fisher Jr.’s limbo?
A: The snow fort dream is not Fisher's. That dream belongs to Eams. Each level is dreamt by a different member of Cobb's team, and then Fisher's subconcious is brought in to fill it. The first level is dreamed by Yusuf, who then stays behind to drive the van and initiate a kick to bring them back. The second level is dreamt by Arthur, who then stays behind to put them in the elevator and initiate another kick. The third level is dreamed by Eams, who again stays behind to plant explosives on the building, which drops them and initiates another Kick. The final level is Limbo. Limbo is a shared environment not limited to a single subconscious. Limbo contains nothing, excep the remnants of whatever might have been built by someone who has been there before. Cobb has been there before, so limbo contains the buildings he and his wife built over the 50 years they spent there.

If Mal and Cobb grew old together in Limbo, and we see them as an [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]elderly[/COLOR][/COLOR] couple, why are they young when at the end of the time in limbo they kill themselves on the railroad tracks?
A: The most likely explanation for this is that Cobb's memory of their youth was merely a fantasy of his, and in truth they aged together as we saw. This is supported by the film. The first time we see Cobb envisioning them killed by the train, they're young. A close up shot of their hands clasped reveals their hands to be young as well. Later when Cobb tells the real story of how they escaped limbo, we see their hands clasped on the railroad tracks and they're older and wrinkled, just as Cobb and Mal are when we see them walking through the city while Cobb talks about them growing old together. It seems likely this is the true version of the story and the version in which they're younger is part of the delusion Cobb constructed which was visited by Ariadne.

How did Cobb and Mal end up in Limbo in the first place?
A: The movie suggests it was an accident, caused by Cobb's desire to keep going deeper and deeper into the dream until he went too deep. Several different ways this could have been accomplished, perhaps they used the same type of sedation as Yusuf used and then intentionally killed themselves just to see what would happen.

Why did Cobb perform Inception on Mal?
A: Cobb and Mal were trapped in Limbo for 50 years, unaware that their world wasn't real. Cobb eventually discovered the truth, but Mal refused to accept it. In order to get Mal to kill herself and return to the real world, Cobb performed Inception on her, planting the idea that the world wasn't real in her mind. This worked, they killed themselves and escaped Limbo. Unfortunatley, the idea remained in Mal's mind and once they returned, she was unable to accept that the real world wasn't a dream.

Who were the dreamers for the different levels?
A: Level one, with the van, was dreamed by Yusuf (Dileep Rao). Level 2 in the hotel was dreamed by Arthur (Joseph Gordon-Levitt). Level 3 with the snow fort was dreamed by Eams (Tom Hardy). The final level was Limbo and dreamed by no one, since it's a place of shared consciousness.

How does the Architect have control over someone else's dream?
A: The Architect designs the dream levels in the real world, and then teaches the level design to the dreamer.

How does the Forger work?
A: Eams is the Forger. This name has two meanings. In the real world he can forge identities using his contacts and his ability to fake documents. In the dream world, he can alter his appearance and take on the personality of someone else he's studied, probably using much the same methods used to construct buildings.

Was Ariadne somehow aware of the numbers Fischer would come up with or did she change the hotel's floor plan so that 491 would be below 528?
A: It seems impossible that they could have known in advance, they must have left a blank place in their design to be filled in with the numbers as they learned them. If anyone has any other theories on this, sound off in the comments!

Why did dying wake dreamers up early in the movie, but later in the movie it sent them to Limbo?
A: The film explains this as being due to the types of sedatives used on the dreamers during the final sequence. When normal sedatives are used, death wakes you up. But in order to go three dream levels deep, heavier sedatives must be used, causing this unwanted side-effect.

Why didn't Arthur wake up when the van drove off the bridge?
A: When the van drives off the bridge, Cobb says they missed the first Kick. This is understandable since Cobb, Eams, Ariadne, and Fisher Jr. are two levels below it and can only be awakened by a kick in the level above them, where Arthur is. But Arthur is in the level directly below the vans, and the rules of the movie do seem to suggest that he should have awakened by that Kick. Perhaps experienced dreamers have some control over whether a Kick wakes them up? We're a little baffled by this one, let us know if you have a better theory.

When Arthur plans his Kick, why is it important for everyone to wake up at the same time?
A: We're not entirely sure it is. It's more important that he wake them up quickly when it comes time for the Kick, to time it to occur before the Kick in the level above. By putting them in the elevator he can give them a Kick all at once, which would be much faster than doing them one at a time.

What did Cobb putting a spinning top inside the safe mean?
A: The safe is a creation of the subconscious that Cobb exploits, in this case Mal. The safes are constructed so that the dreamer believes that it is a safe place for them to store their secrets. The top is Mal's totem, which she uses to determine whether she's in a dream. If it never stops spinning, that tells Mal that she's in a dream. By placing a constantly spinning totem in the safe, Cobb is placing an idea (and a very simple one) inside her subconscious. It's not that she saw the totem spinning, but that it was always spinning in her subconcious mind. This is why she thought she was trapped in the dream world.

Why did Cobb need to use Inception on Mal to convince her to kill herself? Couldn't he have simply snuck up on her and shot her?
A: Concievably. But perhaps Cobb, madly in love with Mal, simply couldn't bring himself to do it. Remember, he was barely able to shoot a projection of her. It might be all but impossible to kill the real Mal, no matter how important he thought it was to do so

Limbo: A place where dreamers may end up if they go too deeply. It’s a place where time runs quickly and people seem to forget reality. We’re told a person flung there might burn out their mind, though somehow Saito, Cobb, and Mal all survive it and escape. Because of the drugs used in the dreamers in Inceptions final mission, we learn a dreamer can in this one instance also be flung into limbo if they’re killed in the dream.

Totem: An object constructed by someone who plans to invade a dream, whose exact weight and composition only they know. This object can be used to help verify whether you’re in the real world, or the dream world. Cobb uses a top which, when spun inside a dream never stops spinning. Ariadne constructs a chess piece, which she plans to use as her totem.

Projection: A person created by the subconcious mind of the subject. Projections are not real. They function like white blood cells and should the subject begin to realize that the dream he's in isn't his, Projections respond violently and attempt to seek out the Dreamer and destroy him.
 
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after letting it sit in my mind, this might be the second or third best nolan film, imo.

memento is clearly the best, followed by inception or tdk.

interestingly, i went to sleep last night and dreamt that i was actually part of cobb's crew, and i got shot in the back by arthur with a shotgun, for whatever reason, and i felt a burning pain in my back. then i woke up.

freaky.

LOL. Hunter and I were talking about that. Nothing happened to us. Except Hunter had a headache when he woke up and my back was sore. So maybe we fought people or rolled a van in our dream lol.

Though oddly enough a few weeks ago I had one of those dreams that felt so real I was freaking out. I met a girl for about 5 hours and decided to marry her, and her parents were coming for the wedding from across the country and all that jazz and the wedding was in a few hours and I did not want to marry this girl at all I knew nothing of her. It freaked me out I remember freaking out to my friends wondering what to do. Dreams are funny like that.

One dream I still remember that happened when I was 12 or something so about almost 14 years ago I still remember as clear as day is being chased by Terminator endoskeletons down a mountain at night. It lasted for ever and scared the crap out of me. I still remember it so well to this day.
 
The audienced into it as well. Our show was sold out and usually they get fidgety when they're not liking a movie, but they were really quiet (like, paying attention quiet) and it got a collective "ARGH!!!!" and applause at the end. Heard a lot of people raving about it on the way out. :up:

same here :up:
 
true
, just hard to believe Saito was stuck there that long

1. how did Leo get him out? i thought you would always be stuck in limbo

Why would you think that? It is shown earlier in the movie that Leonardo and his wife were in limbo for so long that they grew old. In the film, only five went into limbo...and three of them grew old in it (Leo and his wife back in the day, Saito right then...Ellen Page left right after she helped Cillian Murphy escape). In the movie, not a single person who goes into limbo is stuck there...not one. All of them escape by waking up. Saito's character had been there so long (keep in mind that limbo world can go for decades in the time while only seconds pass in the real world) that he likely assumed it was how things were meant to be. Therefore, Leo simply had to remind him that it was a dream and that he should wake up.
 
Watched the film today, first time in ages that I've seen tickets sell out for a film.

Were Cobb's kids in exactly the same position before they turned around, when he returned home in the end like in his dreams? Could he be in limbo?

and....

Everyone at the screening groaned when the totem was still spinning, and the credits started
 
That's your fault putting stock into someone saying it's the greatest film of all time. Of course it won't be. Especially for a Nolan film. You know how people use hyperboles to describe his films. Did you honestly expect this to be the greatest film of all time?

Now it wasn't as mindblowing as The Matrix, because something already like that happened. It can't be duplicated. Instead Nolan used what The Matrix gave us in terms of continuing in that kind of science fiction realm of perception. I don't think he was trying to top it.

You see, your theory is as good as mine.
But it's open to interpretation. So if you believe it was a dream, that's fine. There are countless threads on the two different interpretations. There's explanations that lead to the other in how each turn out. Like for you, you think he got in way to easily, well if he was dreaming, that would have been apart of it, if he wasn't Saito kept to his agreement and pulled the right strings to make things turn out perfectly.


No, of course I didnt think it would be the best film I had ever seen. I didnt put TOO MUCH stock in anything, but if I hear review after review saying it was the best movie ever and completely mind blowing, I do expect a little more than I got. However, I really did expect a mind blowing experience rather than a great movie. I got a great movie and I am satisfied with that.

And I agree with what you are saying about the ending. If someone else feels differently than me, thats perfectly fine with me. In fact, I LIKE the fact that 4 or 5 people could have 4 or 5 different versions, that adds to the enjoyment of discussing it afterwards and such.

There is more than that too. Read a lot of the observations that myself and many others have seen with the film. Truly on multiple viewings more things open up. There is more to the story than looked at with first glance.The complexity lies on the layers below, not with just the general story itself I believe.

The perfectness of him letting go of his wife has to do with because he had inception done to him by Page. Because they said that inception will change a person's entire being, almost who they are as a person. So it is very possible with inception done to him that that is why he let such a clean break. But at the same time I don't think it was a clean break. There will always be hurt there for him, its just the movie did not need to explain that, its just that he stopped trying to keep her projection locked up for his use so that he could be with her all the time.

The more I watched the movie there is a lot more emotional connection there. It's just not the typical kind, the movie deals with the subconscious not the normal way of a persons feelings, it is going deep into the mind and not just talking to the person face to face. In doing so I think the emotions are more shown through All of the things happening to Cobb through out the heist, and his problems with it.

Glad you liked it, but I recommend at least one more viewing. To me it got way better on second viewing.

Good points and I may see it again just for the reasons that you gave. And I am still reading some of the comments here. I didnt go too deep with my mini review, just offering a surface level score, a couple of simple comments (more about what I had heard) and ending analysis. Again, you guys have given me some things to ponder and I appreciate it.
 
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Were Cobb's kids in exactly the same position before they turned around, when he returned home in the end like in his dreams? Could he be in limbo?

exactly! which is why
he is in limbo
 
Why would you think that? It is shown earlier in the movie that Leonardo and his wife were in limbo for so long that they grew old. In the film, only five went into limbo...and three of them grew old in it (Leo and his wife back in the day, Saito right then...Ellen Page left right after she helped Cillian Murphy escape). In the movie, not a single person who goes into limbo is stuck there...not one. All of them escape by waking up. Saito's character had been there so long (keep in mind that limbo world can go for decades in the time while only seconds pass in the real world) that he likely assumed it was how things were meant to be. Therefore, Leo simply had to remind him that it was a dream and that he should wake up.
got it :up:
 
Thanks. So did you and Jstorm get to see it on IMAX? Or regular? Cuz I'm sure its awesome one IMAX lol.

No, we saw it on a regular screen. The IMAX here is more like a pseudo IMAX. I told him a few days ago that we could go to Atlanta to see it on a real IMAX at the Mall of Georgia, but we never talked about it again.
 
No, of course I didnt think it would be the best film I had ever seen. I didnt put stock in anything, but if I hear review after review saying it was the best movie ever and completely mind blowing, I do expect a little more than I got. However, I really did expect a mind blowing experience rather than a great movie. I got a great movie and I am satisfied with that.

That's why I tend to not read reviews for movies I want to see until after I've seen them. You can get carried away by too much hyperbole and wind up disappointed at the end.
 
No, we saw it on a regular screen. The IMAX here is more like a pseudo IMAX. I told him a few days ago that we could go to Atlanta to see it on a real IMAX at the Mall of Georgia, but we never talked about it again.

Yea I saw it on regular too. But for the first time I get to see it on IMAX (first film I"ve seen on IMAX) in Portland cuz I gotta go there for work. So I'm kinda stoked.

The nearest one to my hometown is like 5 hours away. So it's not something I really get to go to on a whim. Maybe for Batman 3 though.
 
That's why I tend to not read reviews for movies I want to see until after I've seen them. You can get carried away by too much hyperbole and wind up disappointed at the end.

Yeah, maybe it had a little bit of the "Gladiator Effect" on me....again, I didnt put too much stock in these reviews (these were all from real world folks like us, not pros by the way). HOWEVER, hearing that over and over..I guess I expected different.
One thing I did make sure to do on this film is not read any real information about it. Other than the trailers, I knew NOTHING about this film. I didnt read any articles, spoilers, etc...because I wanted to go in and see it without any real insight.
 
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I saw it in a Liemax, which I honestly prefer to our closest IMAX, since that theater is old and the new place has the amazing digital projection (it's like watching a giant blu-ray), and it looked amazing. I'm going to have to see the regular version when I go back this week and I'm a little disappointed about it.
 
Yea I saw it on regular too. But for the first time I get to see it on IMAX (first film I"ve seen on IMAX) in Portland cuz I gotta go there for work. So I'm kinda stoked.

The nearest one to my hometown is like 5 hours away. So it's not something I really get to go to on a whim. Maybe for Batman 3 though.

Yeah, thats something to consider for sure (Batman 3 on IMAX). Mall of GA is only 2 hours away, so its not a bad drive at all.
 
some good evidence here :here:

Does Cobb’s totem keep spinning at the end or is it about to fall off the table?
A: The fact that the film cuts away before we know for certain suggests that they want us to keep guessing. But we think it kept spinning. Here’s our reasoning: Note that at the end of the film Cobb’s kids haven’t aged. They match exactly his memory of them. A memory which must almost surely by now be out of date, since he’s been away from them for many months. Though he finally sees their faces, otherwise they look exactly as he envisioned them. They're even wearing the same clothes. In reality, his kids would now be older and different than his memories of them. This could suggest that Cobb is still in the dream and the top does indeed keep spinning after the credits roll.

Alternate Theory Aaron points this out in our comments section: "In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring." If the ring only appears when he's in a dream and he's not wearing at the end of the film, that could be confirmation that in fact, the top does stop spinning after the credits and Cobb is at last in the real world.

If the top really does keep spinning at the end and Cobb’s reality really is a dream, then why didn’t it keep spinning when he tried it earlier in the film?
A: Assuming for a moment that Cobb is still in the dream when the movie ends, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was in a dream for the entire film. The Cobb we see at the end could in fact be a man still trapped in limbo. This seems unlikely though since the film seems to indicate that Saito and Cobb killed themselves to escape it, right before waking up on the plane. See alternate theory.

Alternate Theory Ivan in the comments below suggests that it's still possible that the entire movie could be a dream because the totem may only work to ensure you're not in someone else's dream. "Think about it, YOU know your totem's trick exactly so if you were in your own host dream then you could replicate it perfectly. It is only when you are in someone else's dream that your totem does not behave in it's trick form since that host cannot architect it so. This is why nobody knows
the trick functionality of anyone else's totem!"
 
some good evidence here :here:

Does Cobb’s totem keep spinning at the end or is it about to fall off the table?
A: The fact that the film cuts away before we know for certain suggests that they want us to keep guessing. But we think it kept spinning. Here’s our reasoning: Note that at the end of the film Cobb’s kids haven’t aged. They match exactly his memory of them. A memory which must almost surely by now be out of date, since he’s been away from them for many months. Though he finally sees their faces, otherwise they look exactly as he envisioned them. They're even wearing the same clothes. In reality, his kids would now be older and different than his memories of them. This could suggest that Cobb is still in the dream and the top does indeed keep spinning after the credits roll.

Alternate Theory Aaron points this out in our comments section: "In the opening moments you get a glimpse of Leo's hand. Specifically, he's wearing his wedding ring. Now, if you follow the rest of the movie keeping an eye out for this you will notice that he only has the ring on when he's in the dream world. At the end of the movie he isn't wearing the ring." If the ring only appears when he's in a dream and he's not wearing at the end of the film, that could be confirmation that in fact, the top does stop spinning after the credits and Cobb is at last in the real world.

If the top really does keep spinning at the end and Cobb’s reality really is a dream, then why didn’t it keep spinning when he tried it earlier in the film?
A: Assuming for a moment that Cobb is still in the dream when the movie ends, it doesn’t necessarily mean he was in a dream for the entire film. The Cobb we see at the end could in fact be a man still trapped in limbo. This seems unlikely though since the film seems to indicate that Saito and Cobb killed themselves to escape it, right before waking up on the plane. See alternate theory.

Alternate Theory Ivan in the comments below suggests that it's still possible that the entire movie could be a dream because the totem may only work to ensure you're not in someone else's dream. "Think about it, YOU know your totem's trick exactly so if you were in your own host dream then you could replicate it perfectly. It is only when you are in someone else's dream that your totem does not behave in it's trick form since that host cannot architect it so. This is why nobody knows
the trick functionality of anyone else's totem!"

You see with this theory, like all others no matter hpw the outcome there are always alternatives to them. No matter how much you think it could be your theory, something leads it to the alternative theory of it being in reality of the dream world. I really like these discussions. Like Blade Runner, it's all healthy debate where no flaming wars can happen. Because everyone's else's theory is no more better than the other person's theory.
 
My God, I just realized. I can't wait to get on Blu Ray and watch this on my 50 inch Sony Bravia. :awesome::up:
 
Yeah. So when they killed themselves in limbo, there was nowhere else to go.

I'm still confused on this though. Saito died in level one from drowning, and he dies in level three from the gunshot wound. Why didn't he end up in the same limbo as Fischer. I thought limbo was a shared space.

No, Saito died in level one from his gun shot wound, which affected him in level two and level three. We only see his death when he is in level three but throughout the whole movie we see his other selves bleeding from the chest and mouth. This also explains his advanged age in comparison to Cobb when they meet in limbo because he dies first. Thanks to Hunter for clearing this one for me.
 
You see with this theory, like all others no matter hpw the outcome there are always alternatives to them. No matter how much you think it could be your theory, something leads it to the alternative theory of it being in reality of the dream world. I really like these discussions. Like Blade Runner, it's all healthy debate where no flaming wars can happen. Because everyone's else's theory is no more better than the other person's theory.
This is a double edged sword for me a lot of the time. Sometimes, I just want a definitive answer.
 
This is a double edged sword for me a lot of the time. Sometimes, I just want a definitive answer.

But it's much more interesting
if there is no definite answer. Where is the fun in that if there wasn't? If there was, the film wouldn't be as deep.
 
But it's much more interesting
if there is no definite answer. Where is the fun in that if there wasn't? If there was, the film wouldn't be as deep.
But it is clear that films have been made which are intricate, 'deep' and 'brilliant' which do not have endings like this. So it's transparently obvious that this movie could have still been brilliant with a different ending.
 
[BLACKOUT]the wedding ring was a bigger sign than the totem imo[/BLACKOUT]
 
So my views on a couple of things

Theres been a lot of complaining that the concept of bending the world was abandoned after it is introduced in the paris scene. This is explained though. The more you change things and bend reality the faster the marks subconscious picks up on the fact that you're there. If you are attempting to pull off an insanely complex and carefully timed heist or in this case inception, you wouldn't go and call attention to yourself.
However I do have one problem now that I've had time to think about the film some more. There are so many references to mazes, and the fact that the dreams were being set up as mazes (or at least the snow scenes) but then the maze concept was more or less abandoned and magically they have an emergency shortcut air shaft that takes them right into the base. I know it was a failsafe and allowed for the completion of the plan on time but it bugged me. Not in that I see it as bad writing but because the maze setup is wasted. Unless the concepts of the mazes were just a metaphor for the layers of emotional blocking and guilt from which Dom needed to escape, and that Ariadne was meant to lead him out of.

also everyone loves Leo and JGL, but seriously the standouts to me were Tom Hardy and Marion Cottilard (sp?)
 
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