Christopher Nolan's Inception

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Was this the only time you've seen Inception?



I watched The Matrix about 2-3 weeks ago and still love the movie. It's hard to compare the two because they're pretty different films. Overall, i'm going to have to say I like Inception a lot more. If you go back a few pages I think Crook said it best. Something about The Matrix being an action film with depth and Inception being a deep film with action. That's major paraphrasing of course

Huge difference in emotional journey between the two films. Keanu Reeves has none of the talent of Leonardo DiCaprio, nor was the writing for Neo anywhere near as strong as it was for Cobb and Mal.

Suicide scene was heartbreaking to watch. The climax where he finally is able to let her go is also heartbreaking, yet at the same time it's comforting. We all face these kinds of moments in life at some point where we lose loved ones. We have to move on from our grief and can't let it come to destroy our lives. The acting in this scene between the two of them is very powerful IMHO.
 
You know i quite agree with that. They do tread on some similar grounds however as in what is reality? and if you could live in a dream would you etc. I wonder if inception could have a similar cultural impact to the matrix had a decade ago?

If it does, it will be due to the depth of the film and how it leaves you thinking and asking questions. A lot of The Matrix's impact was due to the mind blowing effects at the time. Once again, Crook said it best in his post a few pages back.
 
question: What happens if someone touches your totem? Because in [blackout]limbo, Ken Watanabe touches Cobb's totem if I recall[/blackout].... is that a big clue about the ending?


You're just not supposed to let anyone else hold it so they don't know how much it weighs and such so they can't re-create it perfectly in a dream to mess with you. But Saito wouldn't mess with Cobb like that, I don't think, so him holding it doesn't really matter.
 
Was this the only time you've seen Inception?



I watched The Matrix about 2-3 weeks ago and still love the movie. It's hard to compare the two because they're pretty different films. Overall, i'm going to have to say I like Inception a lot more. If you go back a few pages I think Crook said it best. Something about The Matrix being an action film with depth and Inception being a deep film with action. That's major paraphrasing of course

That's got to be the best way to describe it. They both have shifting realities but don't feel comparable.
 
apparently you people dont go to the community section of the hype. :/
 
I just saw it a 5th time with my family...10 pm show at times square and its sold out on a wednesday. Wow

Now I paid attention to all the details of the wedding ring and narrative and this is my final conclusion
I looked at all times when Cobb had his wedding ring...He only wears it in his dreams and in LIMBO on the left hand..Clearly visible when talking with old saito. In every reality scene the ring is not on. You can also notice Nolan zooming in on Cobb and Mal's hands everytime (holding hands) the ring is always present and stands out...In the end, Cobb got home to his kids in reality.

Ultimately, the strangeness and ambiguity of the ending, I believe was intentionally done by Nolan. Because that was his inception on the audience. He placed an idea of a top spinning and almost falling and then cutting to black. Leaving the idea that the ending was a dream...when it truth the ending was reality.

The wedding ring is the key easter egg and red herring. In a way it's the audience's/Cobb's totem.
 
I just saw it a 5th time with my family...10 pm show at times square and its sold out on a wednesday. Wow

Now I paid attention to all the details of the wedding ring and narrative and this is my final conclusion
I looked at all times when Cobb had his wedding ring...He only wears it in his dreams and in LIMBO on the left hand..Clearly visible when talking with old saito. In every reality scene the ring is not on. You can also notice Nolan zooming in on Cobb and Mal's hands everytime (holding hands) the ring is always present and stands out...In the end, Cobb got home to his kids in reality.

Ultimately, the strangeness and ambiguity of the ending, I believe was intentionally done by Nolan. Because that was his inception on the audience. He placed an idea of a top spinning and almost falling and then cutting to black. Leaving the idea that the ending was a dream...when it truth the ending was reality.

The wedding ring is the key easter egg and red herring. In a way it's the audience's/Cobb's totem.


This.




Honestly, I have to agree with you on that.
 
Okay,I have changed my mind again,my new outlook on Inception is this:

Cobb's dream/Saito's limbo-> (act 1)
Cobb's flashback of dreams-> (act 1,act 2,act 3)
Cobb's dream/Saito's limbo-> (a continuation of act 1,act 3)
Cobb's,Arthur's,Saito's,Eam's,Fischer Jr's,Yusif's,and Ariadne's reality (act 3)


I was wrong,the dream machine and sedatives were used in reality,God.
 
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This.




Honestly, I have to agree with you on that.

Thanks...my explanation was a brief and quick...Now, I just saw on IMDb a few minutes ago this guy wrote it beautifully..word for word what I was thinking and probably what you were too...It will make even more sense

It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.

I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.

My analysis as follows:

The Wedding Ring:

We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?

So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.

After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.

HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.

In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.

Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:

I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.

When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.

Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?

Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.

And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.

Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.

Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.

But all the evidence points to reality.

Perfect..Just a perfect wrapup!
 
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Thanks for this Poe...really apprecite your Batman work on the whole ring theory...
 
Okay I'm pretty sure the ending is in reality, but for the sake of discussion

Saito never explains how he can get Cobb back home. If I remember correctly Saito touches Cobb's totem. Could Saito have messed with his Cobb's totem to finish his end of the Bargain and send Cobb "Home"?
 
Thanks...my explanation was a brief and quick...Now, I just saw on IMDb a few minutes ago this guy wrote it beautifully..word for word what I was thinking and probably what you were too...It will make even more sense

It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.

I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.

My analysis as follows:

The Wedding Ring:

We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.

Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?

So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.

After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.

HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.

In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.

Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:

I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.

When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.

Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?

Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.

And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.

Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.

Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.

But all the evidence points to reality.

Perfect..Just a perfect wrapup!


My exact thoughts! I saw the movie 3 times, I sliglty noticed it the 2nd time but my 3rd viewing really nailed that theory.
 
Okay I'm pretty sure the ending is in reality, but for the sake of discussion

Saito never explains how he can get Cobb back home. If I remember correctly Saito touches Cobb's totem. Could Saito have messed with his Cobb's totem to finish his end of the Bargain and send Cobb "Home"?

The spinning top in LIMBO (not reality- key here) kept spinning. It helped trigger both their minds about the real world and what they had talked about earlier in the film
 
The spinning top in LIMBO (not reality- key here) kept spinning. It helped trigger both their minds about the real world and what they had talked about earlier in the film


Gotcha. The wedding ring's pretty much confirmed it now, but I figured I'd ask. Thanks.
 
I saw the movie yesterday and I love the theories. One think I can add is that [blackout]I agree that it's reality at the end. There were very little details about the children's clothing that was different from Cobb's dreams of the kids. One big clue is that if you are dreaming, you won't know how you got to the dream, but we see Cobb wake up in the plane, go through customs, meet his father-in-law to take him home, if Cobb was dreaming, he would have just ended up in his house, but we see the steps he took to get there.[/blackout]

this is just a smart movie, NOLAN ROCKS
 
Man, I can't wait for the weekend to be over to stop using these tags...

Much in the movie is made of leaps of faith and states of limbo. Dom asks Mal to take a leap of faith and kill herself to escape limbo. At the end of the movie, Dom asks Saito to take the same leap to escape from his own limbo. These are very literal instances of these two themes.

The figurative, yet very real, example is Saito's asking Dom to take a leap of faith in his ability to bring him home. In a sense, he asks the audience as well. Many critics and audience members have lampooned this as some sort of deus ex machina, but that is because they are unwilling to accept it, unwilling to take that leap for themselves along with Dom. Dom is in his own limbo, being exiled away from home and family, searching desperately for that ticket home, where his children are his own personal reality. This job is the kick he needs to ride to get back to that reality.

Dom has provided the kick from limbo for Mal and Saito, and they were both rewarded with a return to reality. Likewise, when that same act of compassion is performed for Dom, it would detract from the catharsis if he were not rewarded with a return home from his own limbo, a return to his "reality."

The final leap of faith is Nolan directly asking the audience to believe by not showing us the top stop spinning (believing is knowing without seeing). We have been in the dream of the movie, the limbo of not knowing whether Dom will return home. If we take that leap, we are similarly (and correctly) rewarded with the knowledge that Dom has indeed made it home, and we can return to reality outside of the theater.

More than the totem or the marker of the wedding ring, this is what I really believe as the indicator that Dom has indeed returned to reality and his children. I love it because it's so much more cerebral, adds so much complexity to the story. Definitely one of the best movies I've ever seen.
 
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Very nicely drawn parallels there. I think that's the first time I've seen someone interpret the ending as Nolan's own request of trust, rather than a slyly deceptive trick of an auteur. :funny:
 
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