Christopher Nolan's Inception

[DarKJediKnight]

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yea i don't know about the expired seadtive part but maby this helps a little bit


Why is Saito so much older than Cobb in the final dream level?
A: It's likely that Cobb and Saito are in limbo for the same amount of time, however Cobb knows he's in limbo, so perhaps this keeps him from [COLOR=#0000A5 ! important][COLOR=#0000A5 ! important]aging[/COLOR][/COLOR] visibly. Saito on the other hand seems to have forgotten where he is, and so the passage of time (which could have been decades since time runs faster the deeper you go) has more of an affect on him. Similarly, the first time Cobb and Mal end up in limbo they aged because they've forgotten where they really are and accepted it as their reality.

How do Cobb and Saito survive limbo for such an extended period of time? Isn’t your mind supposed to burn out in there?
A: The film never actually says your mind will burn out there, merely suggest that you'll become lost there and be unable to find your way out. The real obstacle to getting out of limbo seems to be realizing that you're in limbo. At the end of the film, it takes an appearance by Cobb to remind Saito that the world he's in isn't real, and once he realizes Saito reaches for a gun and, presumably, shoots himself in order to escape. It could be that your brain only actually is damaged out if you stay in Limbo for the full term, or if you stay there after the machine connection powering the dream is disconnected.

I've already read it since it's already linked in previous pages, and I've already understood that

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in order to get out of limbo or any level of dream, you just have to kill yourself. It's just that in the limbo, you only have to realize that you're still dreaming. But I think Anita (answering to AirUpThere) already have provided the answer to my question.

 

[Anita18]

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If the hotel part was Gordon-Levitt's dream...why was it full of Cillian Murphy's friends? Why were Gordon Levitt's own projections trying to kill him the entire freaking time??? You're telling me that Gordon Levitt made a dream world where everyone was trying to stop him from achieving his goal, made up of the targets friends...and made things as difficult as humanly possible?? Why would he do that?? Again...the much simpler concept is that it was Cillian Murphy's dream and Gordon Levitt was the intruder....which is what the movie said, and what the movie showed.

That's because they "create the world of the dream."

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The environment and all of the inanimate objects in the dream are the dreamer's. So they can control little things within it, but they can't go too far or else the mark's projections will realize something's wrong. And only the forger can pretend they're someone else in the dream.

The subconscious of the mark is the one that's filling it with people, and often they act against the other people in the dreamshare because the mark doesn't know he's in a dreamshare.

I think that the goons in the snow fortress were still fighting Cobb and Co, but it seemed like they were fighting Fischer too but that was because Fischer was with them.

 

[-Arya-]

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So you are saying that they orchestrated everything to be as difficult as possible. And Cillian is able to have projections in other peoples dreams, which is not at all what the movie stated.

Gotcha...the architects were complete morons who were suicidal in your opinion...which is why they created gunmen to hunt them down and populated the world with Cillian Murphy's allies...and spent the entire time trying to break into the subconscious of a guy, when they could have just entered his dream instead. Sounds like a stupid group of people.

How did the architects know about the pinwheel memory??? Oh...never mind...you are going to say that Cillian Murphy created it...in someone else's dream...when the movie flat out said otherwise.

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They obtained a picture of Fischer as a child holding a pinwheel with his father in the background prior to the Inception.

 

[Ziggyman]

Is what is said on the Incepion imdb faq "What really happened in this movie?"...true?

...because that would just take this whole film to aother level...

 

[Anita18]

Is what is said on the Incepion imdb faq "What really happened in this movie?"...true?

...because that would just take this whole film to aother level...

Dude, anyone can add to that.

Whatever you want to believe is true, how's that?

 

[Heretic]

That's because they "create the world of the dream."

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The environment and all of the inanimate objects in the dream are the dreamer's. So they can control little things within it, but they can't go too far or else the mark's projections will realize something's wrong. And only the forger can pretend they're someone else in the dream.

The subconscious of the mark is the one that's filling it with people, and often they act against the other people in the dreamshare because the mark doesn't know he's in a dreamshare.

I think that the goons in the snow fortress were still fighting Cobb and Co, but it seemed like they were fighting Fischer too but that was because Fischer was with them.

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The dreamer creates the projections, right??? Then if it is Gordon-Levitt's dream as people are claiming...THE PROJECTIONS ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM. At no point do the projections even care at all about Cillian Murphy...who would be an intruder according to this theory.

And again...if they created the world...and the dreamer populates the world...and Gordon levitt is the dreamer...THEN WHY IN HADES DID THEYT CREATE THE MOST DIFFICULT WORLD POSSIBLE??? WHY DID THEY STACK THE ODDS AGAINST THEMSELVES????? It makes absolutely zero sense. They could have just created a world, Gordon-levitt could opt to not really create very many projections...and then they could have easily achieved their goals without a fight. Instead...Gordon levitt's own projections attacked him the entire time and tried to prevent him from achieving his goal??? It makes NO sense...and is not supported at all by evidence in the film.

It was Cillian Murphy's dream...THAT makes total sense.

 

[Poeman]

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So you are saying that they orchestrated everything to be as difficult as possible. And Cillian is able to have projections in other peoples dreams, which is not at all what the movie stated.

Gotcha...the architects were complete morons who were suicidal in your opinion...which is why they created gunmen to hunt them down and populated the world with Cillian Murphy's allies...and spent the entire time trying to break into the subconscious of a guy, when they could have just entered his dream instead. Sounds like a stupid group of people.

How did the architects know about the pinwheel memory??? Oh...never mind...you are going to say that Cillian Murphy created it...in someone else's dream...when the movie flat out said otherwise.

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You dont seem to understand...It goes to the original tagline of the film. These guys take the SUBJECT into a dream that Cobb's crew created. Fischer's subconscious gets militarized which Arthur overlooked so they have to fight the guys in Fischer's dream...
They can easily enter his dream for EXTRACTION but for INCEPTION you have to go further and further which makes it difficult, because you have convince Fischer whatever you want him to believe....

 

[Solidus]

Again Heretic it just is not that way.

Again the line from the trailer:

Cobb: We create the world of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream and they fill it with their subconscious."

And the rest people have been telling you. But I'm off to the land of Inception myself, my eyes are droopy. I explained in full how it goes, so I have exhausted myself lol.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

That's because they "create the world of the dream."

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The environment and all of the inanimate objects in the dream are the dreamer's. So they can control little things within it, but they can't go too far or else the mark's projections will realize something's wrong. And only the forger can pretend they're someone else in the dream.

The subconscious of the mark is the one that's filling it with people, and often they act against the other people in the dreamshare because the mark doesn't know he's in a dreamshare.

I think that the goons in the snow fortress were still fighting Cobb and Co, but it seemed like they were fighting Fischer too but that was because Fischer was with them.

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Yeah, and if ever Fischer's subconscious army is trying to attack him (I will look for it the second time I see the film, and I will do it in about an hour t, I guess that's the point of the subconscious army. Kill Fischer to wake him up since Cobb's crew is trying to invade and implant an idea in Fischer's idea. That's my take on it though, and is not YET a fact.

 

[Heretic]

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They obtained a picture of Fischer as a child holding a pinwheel with his father in the background prior to the Inception.

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Ah...the only time I remember that photo prior to them being put to sleep was the scene where Murphy was in the room with his dad and his dad knocked the picture over. Not sure how the picture then ended up in the hands of the enemy.

 

[Anita18]

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The dreamer creates the projections, right??? Then if it is Gordon-Levitt's dream as people are claiming...THE PROJECTIONS ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM. At no point do the projections even care at all about Cillian Murphy...who would be an intruder according to this theory.

And again...if they created the world...and the dreamer populates the world...and Gordon levitt is the dreamer...THEN WHY IN HADES DID THEYT CREATE THE MOST DIFFICULT WORLD POSSIBLE??? WHY DID THEY STACK THE ODDS AGAINST THEMSELVES????? It makes absolutely zero sense. They could have just created a world, Gordon-levitt could opt to not really create very many projections...and then they could have easily achieved their goals without a fight. Instead...Gordon levitt's own projections attacked him the entire time and tried to prevent him from achieving his goal??? It makes NO sense...and is not supported at all by evidence in the film.

It was Cillian Murphy's dream...THAT makes total sense.

I think you're missing some key pieces of info that the movie gives us.

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Cobb's projections populate the training dream with Ariadne even though she's the dreamer. She proves this by manipulating the buildings, and Cobb's projections attack her when she goes too far. I don't think they were supposed to attack her like that, it's just that Cobb's mind is messed up.

When they're in Level 2, which is Arthur's dream, Fischer's projections start to stare at Ariadne and Arthur. Arthur SAYS, "The projections are looking for the dreamer - me." This line even shows up in one of the marketing spots.

I don't know what kind of proof you need beyond that.

 

[Solidus]

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The dreamer creates the projections, right??? Then if it is Gordon-Levitt's dream as people are claiming...THE PROJECTIONS ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM. At no point do the projections even care at all about Cillian Murphy...who would be an intruder according to this theory.

And again...if they created the world...and the dreamer populates the world...and Gordon levitt is the dreamer...THEN WHY IN HADES DID THEYT CREATE THE MOST DIFFICULT WORLD POSSIBLE??? WHY DID THEY STACK THE ODDS AGAINST THEMSELVES????? It makes absolutely zero sense. They could have just created a world, Gordon-levitt could opt to not really create very many projections...and then they could have easily achieved their goals without a fight. Instead...Gordon levitt's own projections attacked him the entire time and tried to prevent him from achieving his goal??? It makes NO sense...and is not supported at all by evidence in the film.

It was Cillian Murphy's dream...THAT makes total sense.

No it makes complete sense that it is shared dreaming. The line in the trailer/ movie says it.
WE CREATE THE WORLD OF THE DREAM. WE BRING THAT SUBJECT INTO THAT DREAM AND THEY FILL IT WITH THEIR SUBCONSCIOUS.

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And that is how the rules work in the movie. All the facts point that way. Not the other. It is pretty clear actually. Lots of other stuff is much harder to figure out but not this aspect of the movie ,it is part of the rules.
The subconscious is all the projections. ALl the shared dreamers have the ability to bring their subconscious into the dream, but the highly skilled ones keep them at bay. Cobb can't for a few reasons. And Fischer all the people in it are the subconscious of FISHER in the shared dream of ARTHUR's. The subconscious sees that Arthur is the enemy and it attacks him.

 

[Poeman]

Again Heretic it just is not that way.

Again the line from the trailer:

Cobb: We create the world of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream and they fill it with their subconscious."

And the rest people have been telling you. But I'm off to the land of Inception myself, my eyes are droopy. I explained in full how it goes, so I have exhausted myself lol.

Exactly dude...Im trying to tell him the same thing...He's getting irritated and is starting off on a sarcasm rant lol

 

[Anita18]

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Ah...the only time I remember that photo prior to them being put to sleep was the scene where Murphy was in the room with his dad and his dad knocked the picture over. Not sure how the picture then ended up in the hands of the enemy.

I remember Eames getting a hold of it [blackout]when he lifts Fischer's wallet.[/blackout] I can't remember how.

 

[-Arya-]

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The dreamer creates the projections, right??? Then if it is Gordon-Levitt's dream as people are claiming...THE PROJECTIONS ARE TRYING TO KILL HIM. At no point do the projections even care at all about Cillian Murphy...who would be an intruder according to this theory.

And again...if they created the world...and the dreamer populates the world...and Gordon levitt is the dreamer...THEN WHY IN HADES DID THEYT CREATE THE MOST DIFFICULT WORLD POSSIBLE??? WHY DID THEY STACK THE ODDS AGAINST THEMSELVES????? It makes absolutely zero sense. They could have just created a world, Gordon-levitt could opt to not really create very many projections...and then they could have easily achieved their goals without a fight. Instead...Gordon levitt's own projections attacked him the entire time and tried to prevent him from achieving his goal??? It makes NO sense...and is not supported at all by evidence in the film.

It was Cillian Murphy's dream...THAT makes total sense.

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If the maze they created was simple, then Fischer's subconscious army would destroy everyone within seconds. Many posters have been clear about this. The people in the dream are not the dreamer's projections. They are the subject's (the person whom the idea is needed to be stolen from or placed) projections.

 

[Ziggyman]

I think you're missing some key pieces of info that the movie gives us.

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Cobb's projections populate the training dream with Ariadne even though she's the dreamer. She proves this by manipulating the buildings, and Cobb's projections attack her when she goes too far. I don't think they were supposed to attack her like that, it's just that Cobb's mind is messed up.

When they're in Level 2, which is Arthur's dream, Fischer's projections start to stare at Ariadne and Arthur. Arthur SAYS, "The projections are looking for the dreamer - me." This line even shows up in one of the marketing spots.

I don't know what kind of proof you need beyond that.

Yeah...I think someone should be seeing the light now...

 

[Solidus]

I remember Eames getting a hold of it [blackout]when he lifts Fischer's wallet.[/blackout] I can't remember how.

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His wallet? I think it was stolen in the cab when they held him up and talked about how the wallet was worth more than 500. The passport was stolen by Eames in the plane in "reality"

 

[Frodo]

Just saw it . Great Film !

 

[Heretic]

Again Heretic it just is not that way.

Again the line from the trailer:

Cobb: We create the world of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream and they fill it with their subconscious."

And the rest people have been telling you. But I'm off to the land of Inception myself, my eyes are droopy. I explained in full how it goes, so I have exhausted myself lol.

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I get that the architect creates the world of the dream...but that doesnt even remotely touch on the idea of multiple dreamers being in charge of each world. You guys are adding way more to the idea than was actually in the movie. Again...the guys you claim were in charge of the dreams spent the entire time escaping from their own subconscious trying to kill them. The indian guy was dreaming in the first world? Then why was he on the run the entire time with no projections to help him?? Not a single projection of his own to battle Cillian murphy's projections. Then in the hotel world, you claim it was Gordon-levitt's dream...yet he was on the run and being attacked the entire time...with no projections of his own to stop Cillian Murphy's projections...and then the snow layer...you guys say it was the other dudes dream...and yep...he spent the whole freaking time being shot at by Cillian Murphys projections...without a single projection of his own to help. Why did NONE of them have a single projection that would realize that people were infiltrating??? No...for some reason...under this theory...only Cillian Murphy can create projections. No one else can or does. Makes NO sense.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I'm having trouble quoting the "You're waiting on a train...you dont know where this train is taking you" line
HELP!

 

[Anita18]

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His wallet? I think it was stolen in the cab when they held him up and talked about how the wallet was worth more than 500. The passport was stolen by Eames in the plane in "reality"

I remember [blackout]the passport.[/blackout] I don't remember how they get [blackout]the wallet with the photo in it.[/blackout] But I do remember Eames looking pleased after he finds it and as he's prepping himself.

 

[Solidus]

I think you're missing some key pieces of info that the movie gives us.

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Cobb's projections populate the training dream with Ariadne even though she's the dreamer. She proves this by manipulating the buildings, and Cobb's projections attack her when she goes too far. I don't think they were supposed to attack her like that, it's just that Cobb's mind is messed up.

When they're in Level 2, which is Arthur's dream, Fischer's projections start to stare at Ariadne and Arthur. Arthur SAYS, "The projections are looking for the dreamer - me." This line even shows up in one of the marketing spots.

I don't know what kind of proof you need beyond that.

That's a Bingo.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

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I get that the architect creates the world of the dream...but that doesnt even remotely touch on the idea of multiple dreamers being in charge of each world. You guys are adding way more to the idea than was actually in the movie. Again...the guys you claim were in charge of the dreams spent the entire time escaping from their own subconscious trying to kill them. The indian guy was dreaming in the first world? Then why was he on the run the entire time with no projections to help him?? Not a single projection of his own to battle Cillian murphy's projections. Then in the hotel world, you claim it was Gordon-levitt's dream...yet he was on the run and being attacked the entire time...with no projections of his own to stop Cillian Murphy's projections...and then the snow layer...you guys say it was the other dudes dream...and yep...he spent the whole freaking time being shot at by Cillian Murphys projections...without a single projection of his own to help. Why did NONE of them have a single projection that would realize that people were infiltrating??? No...for some reason...under this theory...only Cillian Murphy can create projections. No one else can or does. Makes NO sense.

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the architect that builds the dream has no protections...its they that are in the dream that have subconscious projections...cobb explains to pages character in her first lesson in shared dreaming

 

[Anita18]

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I get that the architect creates the world of the dream...but that doesnt even remotely touch on the idea of multiple dreamers being in charge of each world. You guys are adding way more to the idea than was actually in the movie. Again...the guys you claim were in charge of the dreams spent the entire time escaping from their own subconscious trying to kill them. The indian guy was dreaming in the first world? Then why was he on the run the entire time with no projections to help him?? Not a single projection of his own to battle Cillian murphy's projections. Then in the hotel world, you claim it was Gordon-levitt's dream...yet he was on the run and being attacked the entire time...with no projections of his own to stop Cillian Murphy's projections...and then the snow layer...you guys say it was the other dudes dream...and yep...he spent the whole freaking time being shot at by Cillian Murphys projections...without a single projection of his own to help. Why did NONE of them have a single projection that would realize that people were infiltrating??? No...for some reason...under this theory...only Cillian Murphy can create projections. No one else can or does. Makes NO sense.

Did you even read my post?

I gave you several concrete examples of the film as to why it's happening the way we describe it. Heck, the proof is in the dialogue in one of the TV spots.

 

[omid17]

I've already read it since it's already linked in previous pages, and I've already understood that

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in order to get out of limbo or any level of dream, you just have to kill yourself. It's just that in the limbo, you only have to realize that you're still dreaming. But I think Anita (answering to AirUpThere) already have provided the answer to my question.

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Saito killing Cobb and sending him further into limbo makes more sense than killing them would bring them back. Cobb and Mal were able to do that but they weren't under heavy sedatives.

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