1. You get into limbo if you're under heavy sedation in a dream and get killed. You won't wake up because you're so heavily sedated, so that's where you go. I think Mal and Cobb were testing out different chemicals for sedation and it got out of control. Maybe they were trying to escape a dream and found themselves in limbo instead. I think once you get into limbo, the sedation will eventually wear off and you get killed in the dream, you'll wake up for real like any normal dream. It's just that in limbo, you're in so deep that you have a very hard time judging whether you're in a dream at all. You accept it as your reality.
2. I'm not sure if the 4th dream layer is Cobb's limbo, since Ariadne and Cobb don't kill themselves to get there. It's definitely Cobb's dream though, so I'm not sure if it matters if it's THE limbo or not.
3. I think Saito and Cobb were at least in Saito's version of limbo at the end of the film. Saito died in level 1/3 and Cobb died in level 1 when he drowned in the van.
4. I think once the sedation wears off, you can get killed and return like normal.
Thank you for answering. I thought the same thing for each one as well. However, I still do not understand how they were able to bring Fischer back to life after he died in level 3. Wouldn't he have gone to Limbo because he died? How did he appear in level 4?
Also, they talked about being lost forever and your mind turning to mush. Is that if you die in limbo?
All this discussion makes me desperately want to see the movie again. Trying to read these posts whilst thinking about the movie is like, well, trying to remember a dream. LOL. Everything's a blur. I've gotta hand it to Solidus though for doing an awesome job on all fronts.
Now, I wanted to bring something up that I'm sure some of you diehards, like me, will certainly find interesting/amusing. Forgive me if it's been brought up before.
What I'm about to suggest is shocking, and is not for the fainthearted. It is a radical notion. Hehehe. (This is all in good fun, in case you haven't caught on. t
Ladies and gentlemen, Christopher Nolan has already told us what the true ending of the movie is. When do you ask? About a year ago. Whaaaaaa?
Think back to TDK. What was the very first, visual shot shown in the first trailer? Not the teaser that included the exploding symbol, but the trailer. What was the first piece of footage (outside of the prologue) that was unveiled? That's right. It was the batpod racing off into the night - the final shot in TDK. The final shot in the film was the first that we saw.
Now, think back to the first teaser trailer for Inception. What was the first piece of footage that Nolan unveiled to us?
That's right, it was...
Cobb's totem spinning, then toppling. I know, I know, it wasn't the exact same shot of it on the table at the end of the film, but I just wanted to spark some discussion. Is the teaser telling us something about the ending? Hehehe. Anyhow, I just thought it was interesting that twice now with Nolan's films, the first footage we see directly relates to the final shot in the film. Weird...
Hopefully some people will get a kick out of this.
Thank you for answering. I thought the same thing for each one as well. However, I still do not understand how they were able to bring Fischer back to life after he died in level 3. Wouldn't he have gone to Limbo because he died? How did he appear in level 4?
Also, they talked about being lost forever and your mind turning to mush. Is that if you die in limbo?
You know, I really don't know. I'll have to watch the movie again to make sure, but
I assumed that they hooked up Fischer to the machine with Cobb and Ariadne in the third level (although I think they only show Ariadne specifically getting hooked up), and that's how they were able to find him in the fourth level. He was close to death, but not quite dead yet. That's why Eames was getting him onto the defibrillator.
I think being in limbo would turn your mind to mush automatically, because you're convinced that you're in reality when you're not. From my understanding, when you die in limbo and are unsedated, you wake up in the real world.
Wouldn't it be kind of true that none of them were actually the "dreamer" since the world was created by the architect. More accurately, wouldnt they all be kind of in the same situation, except that only one person knew the full layout and info about the dreamworld??? Like, in the first world, one of the good guys says to another, after pulling out a grenade launcher type gun "you should dream bigger". No one is claiming that either of those guys were the dreamer in the first realm, and yet the clear concept is that either of them could have shown up with better weapons (though nothing that would tip the mark off that he was not in the real world). So, since they dreamed up their own weapons, and they werent the "dreamer' (the indian looking guy was) then that means that everyone has the "dreamer" abilities...but the mark simply isnt aware of it.
It still doenst explain why the good guys never bothered to dream up any projections or an arsenal of weapons/force fields to help them when there was ZERO chance of Cillian's character finding out...I suppose you could say that his subconscious/protection mechanism was still in place in all levels, and would be tipped off...but if the army was there protecting him, wouldnt they already be tipped off?? I mean, they are shooting at guys trying to mess with his head, implying they suspect something isn' right.
Fischer dies...goes to limbo...Cobb/Ariadne go another level through Cobb's dream (4th level) where Cobb is the architect and is filled with Cobb's subconscious (which can't be possible unless all the experiments he did gave him this ability)...therefore it would have to be Ariadne's dream filled with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...so as soon as Ariadne jumped, she would have to be in limbo (which didn't happen)...plus, how do they find Fischer when he is supposed to be in limbo...not Cobb's dream...
Went to see Inception on Saturday, and it has replaced Toy Story 3 as my #1 movie of the year. The movie is just so complex in its storytelling and plot, and even after thinking about it thorough I still can't figure everything out. However, here's my theory about the movie and its ending:
I think the movie is real, even though I've read some arguments from CHUD.com that the posters think it was all a dream. I don't think Nolan would set up Fischer's background with his dad if he was just a projection from Cobb's dream. However, I think the ending clearly shown that Cobb was dreaming, and the spinning top (before the screen fades to black) did not drop, even though it wobbles. However, wasn't the top a totem that belongs to Cobb's wife Mal? Just another thing I haven't figured it out.
Fischer dies...goes to limbo...Cobb/Ariadne go another level through Cobb's dream (4th level) where Cobb is the architect and is filled with Cobb's subconscious (which can't be possible unless all the experiments he did gave him this ability)...therefore it would have to be Ariadne's dream filled with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...so as soon as Ariadne jumped, she would have to be in limbo (which didn't happen)...plus, how do they find Fischer when he is supposed to be in limbo...not Cobb's dream...
Fischer dies...goes to limbo...Cobb/Ariadne go another level through Cobb's dream (4th level) where Cobb is the architect and is filled with Cobb's subconscious (which can't be possible unless all the experiments he did gave him this ability)...therefore it would have to be Ariadne's dream filled with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...so as soon as Ariadne jumped, she would have to be in limbo (which didn't happen)...plus, how do they find Fischer when he is supposed to be in limbo...not Cobb's dream...
I have a theory on it I don't think it's a plothole. It is just complicated lol. Again tomorrow afternoon I will post more ideas on this.
I think no one in limbo has to be the dreamer, it is just that limbo, and it only consists of the raw stuff of those who have been there. So everyone if they chose can fill it with their subconscious. But I will explain more later, I maybe rambling now I have not slept in a while lol.
The first 2 hours and 30 minutes were a dream, and the final scene is the only reality. Cobb could have very well been in the other room with his own device dreaming for a matter of minutes, whereas the whole story could have taken place in a matter of hours, days, weeks, years etc.
This could explain the kids wearing the same clothes and not changing in age. Perhaps the last time Cobb saw the kids was just earlier that day before he went into his dream state. Maybe he was going under the dream state for self-therapeutic reasons -- like the old people in Mombassa, and he came out a changed man.
I think these stock characters were all just Cobb's projections -- albeit well-developed, sophisticated projections. Cobb created his own dream with his own goals and rewards... if Cobb accomplished the Fischer inception, then he gets to "go home" and rid himself of all the guilt.
AND HERE'S THE MAIN EVIDENCE THAT JUST HIT ME RIGHT NOW:
When Cobb and Mal were dreaming together, they were doing it together in their own living room. They were using it recreationally in the comfort of their own home. They weren't using it for extraction or any illegal purposes. They were using for their own pleasure (and was mentioned by Miles when Cobb approached Miles at school, something about teaching Mal and Cobb the legitimate uses of using dreams). This tells me that Cobb has his own dream-making machine at home, and he was just in the other room the whole time... using it to get closure on the real-life death of Mal.
He made it clear in his scene with Mal that he only wanted his children in the real world and not in the dream world. That would seem like a really cruel move on her part to trick him like that.
The first 2 hours and 30 minutes were a dream, and the final scene is the only reality. Cobb could have very well been in the other room with his own device dreaming for a matter of minutes, whereas the whole story could have taken place in a matter of hours, days, weeks, years etc.
This could explain the kids wearing the same clothes and not changing in age. Perhaps the last time Cobb saw the kids was just earlier that day before he went into his dream state. Maybe he was going under the dream state for self-therapeutic reasons -- like the old people in Mombassa, and he came out a changed man.
I think these stock characters were all just Cobb's projections -- albeit well-developed, sophisticated projections. Cobb created his own dream with his own goals and rewards... if Cobb accomplished the Fischer inception, then he gets to "go home" and rid himself of all the guilt.
AND HERE'S THE MAIN EVIDENCE THAT JUST HIT ME RIGHT NOW:
When Cobb and Mal were dreaming together, they were doing it together in their own living room. They were using it recreationally in the comfort of their own home. They weren't using it for extraction or any illegal purposes. They were using for their own pleasure (and was mentioned by Miles when Cobb approached Miles at school, something about teaching Mal and Cobb the legitimate uses of using dreams). This tells me that Cobb has his own dream-making machine at home, and he was just in the other room the whole time... using it to get closure on the real-life death of Mal.
One of my theories is that perhaps Miles was behind bringing Cobb "home" or at least thinking he was home?
Miles taught both Cobb and Ariadne....and he has more experience than all of them when it comes to depths of the dream world. In the end we see Miles bringing Cobb "home". Perhaps Miles' was the puppet master?
Fischer dies...goes to limbo...Cobb/Ariadne go another level through Cobb's dream (4th level) where Cobb is the architect and is filled with Cobb's subconscious (which can't be possible unless all the experiments he did gave him this ability)...therefore it would have to be Ariadne's dream filled with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...so as soon as Ariadne jumped, she would have to be in limbo (which didn't happen)...plus, how do they find Fischer when he is supposed to be in limbo...not Cobb's dream...
it explicitatly states in the movie that when a person goes into limbo while sharing a dream with some one who has already been there, that they will enter that persons version of limbo, in this case cillian murphy entered doms limbo. someone had a really good idea as to why this didn't also happen for saito but i cannot remember
The first 2 hours and 30 minutes were a dream, and the final scene is the only reality. Cobb could have very well been in the other room with his own device dreaming for a matter of minutes, whereas the whole story could have taken place in a matter of hours, days, weeks, years etc.
This could explain the kids wearing the same clothes and not changing in age. Perhaps the last time Cobb saw the kids was just earlier that day before he went into his dream state. Maybe he was going under the dream state for self-therapeutic reasons -- like the old people in Mombassa, and he came out a changed man.
I think these stock characters were all just Cobb's projections -- albeit well-developed, sophisticated projections. Cobb created his own dream with his own goals and rewards... if Cobb accomplished the Fischer inception, then he gets to "go home" and rid himself of all the guilt.
AND HERE'S THE MAIN EVIDENCE THAT JUST HIT ME RIGHT NOW:
When Cobb and Mal were dreaming together, they were doing it together in their own living room. They were using it recreationally in the comfort of their own home. They weren't using it for extraction or any illegal purposes. They were using for their own pleasure (and was mentioned by Miles when Cobb approached Miles at school, something about teaching Mal and Cobb the legitimate uses of using dreams). This tells me that Cobb has his own dream-making machine at home, and he was just in the other room the whole time... using it to get closure on the real-life death of Mal.
Someone already answered this but it does show a shot of them as old during their final confrontation. I think Mal (the subconscious) wouldn't let Cobb remember her as old because it would kill the illusion he was trying to create in keeping her alive.
Someone already answered this but it does show a shot of them as old during their final confrontation. I think Mal (the subconscious) wouldn't let Cobb remember her as old because it would kill the illusion he was trying to create in keeping her alive.
exactly which is why at the climax of it all it is that realization that finally frees him from her. she tries to guilt trip him by saying that he dreamed that they would grow old together, and it is only then that accepts that in their own way they did, that they had their time together
I'm still looking for an explanation as to why everyone's subconscious was completely and utterly useless except for Cillian Murphy's...if it was a shared experience, then they should have been able to imagine projections etc. But again...they chose not to...and the only reason I've heard as to why has been "because"...even though there was zero chance of Cillian Murphy seeing them do it. When Murphy was unconscious in level 1, 2 or 3, the "dreamer" as you guys put it...could have easily just created ANYTHING to make the situation turn in their favor. They simply chose not to. Meanwhile they struggled against the subconscious of Murphy. Especially in realm 2, there was absolutely no one around except for who you say is the dreamer, yet projections kept attacking over and over again...for some reason...and the dreamer never bothered to imagine anything. One of you said "they cant control what their subconscious does..." but they knew armed soldiers would be waiting for them, so their subconscious would SURELY prepare for that on the next level.
Heck, how is a guy shot in one guys dream, and bleeding because of it in another guys dream? If he's the dreamer...just heal the wound! No one in that dream realm would be the wiser.
Why are Dicaprio and Murphy's subconscious able to impact every single dream, no matter who is dreaming it...and none of the others can do anything, even in their own dreams???
It just seems like theres a million holes in the multiple dreamers theory. I'm not saying it isn't true...I'm just looking for answers. Remember, I'm one of the very few people here who admits when he's wrong and actually changes his mind when evidence proves me wrong. I'm not saying that multiple dreamers isnt the right answer...I'm saying that Occam's Razor says that it doesnt need to be, so why bother?
I'm still looking for an explanation as to why everyone's subconscious was completely and utterly useless except for Cillian Murphy's...if it was a shared experience, then they should have been able to imagine projections etc. But again...they chose not to...and the only reason I've heard as to why has been "because"...even though there was zero chance of Cillian Murphy seeing them do it. When Murphy was unconscious in level 1, 2 or 3, the "dreamer" as you guys put it...could have easily just created ANYTHING to make the situation turn in their favor. They simply chose not to. Meanwhile they struggled against the subconscious of Murphy. Especially in realm 2, there was absolutely no one around except for who you say is the dreamer, yet projections kept attacking over and over again...for some reason...and the dreamer never bothered to imagine anything. One of you said "they cant control what their subconscious does..." but they knew armed soldiers would be waiting for them, so their subconscious would SURELY prepare for that on the next level.
Heck, how is a guy shot in one guys dream, and bleeding because of it in another guys dream? If he's the dreamer...just heal the wound! No one in that dream realm would be the wiser.
Why are Dicaprio and Murphy's subconscious able to impact every single dream, no matter who is dreaming it...and none of the others can do anything, even in their own dreams???
It just seems like theres a million holes in the multiple dreamers theory. I'm not saying it isn't true...I'm just looking for answers. Remember, I'm one of the very few people here who admits when he's wrong and actually changes his mind when evidence proves me wrong. I'm not saying that multiple dreamers isnt the right answer...I'm saying that Occam's Razor says that it doesnt need to be, so why bother?
i'm not disagreeing that it doesn't really make sense at first, and theirs probably something we are missing,but the multi-dreamer thing is not a theory is it? JGL directly mentions to page that they are in his dream when they are sitting on the bench in the second level. this is the conversation that leads to the kiss. the people are projections from murphies mind but the dream is within arthurs. he says that is why they keep looking at him. now if this is ultimately a hole then its a problem with the writing (gasp!) but there are a number of instances throught the movie that this is the case, including the OPENING SCENE (the true first level of dreaming in fact being luke haas's while they were within saitos subconscious for the second level
edit: i meant to quote an earlier post from heretic
I'm still looking for an explanation as to why everyone's subconscious was completely and utterly useless except for Cillian Murphy's...if it was a shared experience, then they should have been able to imagine projections etc. But again...they chose not to...and the only reason I've heard as to why has been "because"...even though there was zero chance of Cillian Murphy seeing them do it. When Murphy was unconscious in level 1, 2 or 3, the "dreamer" as you guys put it...could have easily just created ANYTHING to make the situation turn in their favor. They simply chose not to. Meanwhile they struggled against the subconscious of Murphy. Especially in realm 2, there was absolutely no one around except for who you say is the dreamer, yet projections kept attacking over and over again...for some reason...and the dreamer never bothered to imagine anything. One of you said "they cant control what their subconscious does..." but they knew armed soldiers would be waiting for them, so their subconscious would SURELY prepare for that on the next level.
Heck, how is a guy shot in one guys dream, and bleeding because of it in another guys dream? If he's the dreamer...just heal the wound! No one in that dream realm would be the wiser.
Why are Dicaprio and Murphy's subconscious able to impact every single dream, no matter who is dreaming it...and none of the others can do anything, even in their own dreams???
It just seems like theres a million holes in the multiple dreamers theory. I'm not saying it isn't true...I'm just looking for answers. Remember, I'm one of the very few people here who admits when he's wrong and actually changes his mind when evidence proves me wrong. I'm not saying that multiple dreamers isnt the right answer...I'm saying that Occam's Razor says that it doesnt need to be, so why bother?
This is because Murphy was the only one in the dream who didn't know that he was dreaming, that's why his subconscious (which cannot be controlled) was active and tried to stop the other members of the team. The exception of that was Leo, who couldn't control Mal, an aspect of his own unconscious, from ruining the plan due to his guilt.
Probably one of the greatest films my eyes have laid themselves upon. This isnt no TDK hype...this movie was legit.
It also proved a few things...
Christopher Nolan is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. I cant think of one BAD movie he's made. (TDK haters are just hyperboles, they may not have liked it..but it's in no way a bad film...)
Leonardo DiCaprio is one of our greatest actors. (Who'd thunk it?
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and finally
Joseph Gorden Levett is underused.
10/10. Disagree if you want...but this movie was life changing.
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