Christopher Nolan's Inception

[Heretic]

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This is because Murphy was the only one in the dream who didn't know that he was dreaming, that's why his subconscious (which cannot be controlled) was active and tried to stop the other members of the team. The exception of that was Leo, who couldn't control Mal, an aspect of his own unconscious, from ruining the plan due to his guilt.

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Cillian Murphy is UNCONSCIOUS in realm 1 AND realm 2, and even in realm 3. The sky could have been filled with purple unicorns and he never would have known...because he was not "present" in those realms. Maybe there's something I'm missing there...but it just seems like a copout to say they didnt do anything at all to help their situation because they might alert Murphy, and Murphy was not at all able to be clued into anything (example: once a bag was placed over his head, his subconscious was not able to see who was around him)

If Gordon levitt said in realm 2 that HE was the dreamer...then yeah...Im willing to admit that it is completely and totally his dream. No question. I didnt hear that though. I remember him saying "kiss me"...but not "they are looking for the dreamer...me". Besides, why would they be looking for the dreamer anyway? Why would it be important for him to not be seen, since he's in control of the projections anyway. everyone else should be trying to avoid being seen (as we see that Leo Dicaprio is not wanting to be seen by the projections either...on the SAME LEVEL as Levitt apparently claims to be the dreamer).

 

[Team Andino]

Just got back from my second viewing of Inception and I feel TERRIBLE that I rated it 9/10 after my first viewing. after re-watching it just now it deserves a 12/10. I wish I could go back and change my vote to 10/10

 

[Rock Sexton]

No that's just one of the many theories out there.

I buy it. It would explain her behavior throughout the entire film.

 

[Heretic]

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This is because Murphy was the only one in the dream who didn't know that he was dreaming, that's why his subconscious (which cannot be controlled) was active and tried to stop the other members of the team. The exception of that was Leo, who couldn't control Mal, an aspect of his own unconscious, from ruining the plan due to his guilt.

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Under this theory, if you are aware of being in the dream, you cant create projections...which both Page and Dicaprio would have been earlier in the film. I get that Dicaprio's guilt blew his subconscious out of control though.

 

[CelticPredator]

I once created my own dream. I was in a Nazi Occupied city in the future, and I stole a snow mobile and chased down those nazis! I knew I was controlling it because I had to aim for them. I remember actually thinking go, this way, and I did, shoot there...and I did.

Great dream that was. So much fun. Mom woke me up before it ended though.. lame.

 

[omid17]

Tom Hardy was ****ing amazing in this film, he was just too sick JGL did an awesome job too

DiCaprio as Dom Cobb

 

[Rock Sexton]

Another explanation .......

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When Cobb speaks to his kids on the phone, the voices change and he isn't sure which one he's talking to. This happened during the time people perceived was "reality" when indeed it wasn't.

 

[redhawk23]

I buy it. It would explain her behavior throughout the entire film.

well mal is beyond a doubt part of hissubconscious. what is in doubt is how much of everything was within a dream

by the way i'm quite enjoying the upswing in decent-amazing scifi films in the past year or so

 

[Anita18]

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Cillian Murphy is UNCONSCIOUS in realm 1 AND realm 2, and even in realm 3. The sky could have been filled with purple unicorns and he never would have known...because he was not "present" in those realms. Maybe there's something I'm missing there...but it just seems like a copout to say they didnt do anything at all to help their situation because they might alert Murphy, and Murphy was not at all able to be clued into anything (example: once a bag was placed over his head, his subconscious was not able to see who was around him)

If Gordon levitt said in realm 2 that HE was the dreamer...then yeah...Im willing to admit that it is completely and totally his dream. No question. I didnt hear that though. I remember him saying "kiss me"...but not "they are looking for the dreamer...me". Besides, why would they be looking for the dreamer anyway? Why would it be important for him to not be seen, since he's in control of the projections anyway. everyone else should be trying to avoid being seen (as we see that Leo Dicaprio is not wanting to be seen by the projections either...on the SAME LEVEL as Levitt apparently claims to be the dreamer).

You know what? Fine.



Watch the last 10 seconds. He says, "His subconscious is looking for the dreamer - me." That part IS in the film.

 

[Rock Sexton]

well mal is beyond a doubt part of hissubconscious. what is in doubt is how much of everything was within a dream

by the way i'm quite enjoying the upswing in decent-amazing scifi films in the past year or so

Read my comment right above yours.

 

[redhawk23]

21.6 million on friday. not terrible

i hope this movie has legs, i think it will

 

[Figs]

Hmmmmmmmmm

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I did wonder as it cut to black if i heard it topple over but I wasn't sure, people need to listen out on their next viewings.​

Not sure if anyone answered this for you already but when I saw it in Imax(maybe that's why, with it's crazy sound system)a split second before

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the screen went black you could hear the sound that a top makes as it's spin starts to wear off. The editing was perfect though because the top is still spinning at full speed and doesn't look like it's going to fall or slow down when you hear that noise, which is when it cuts to black at almost the same exact time you hear it just so the audience can assume it fell but then realize that at the same time...it never slowed down or started to lean to a side.

Like I said, it was some damn good editing/mixing for that last shot.

 

[CelticPredator]

It started to a tad.....not by much.

 

[Heretic]

You know what? Fine.



Watch the last 10 seconds. He says, "His subconscious is looking for the dreamer - me." That part IS in the film.

hey, you're right!!!

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Of course, that is followed with a joke...

And why did he have to explain to the architect that he was the dreamer. She would have already known since she taught him the world. Also, why are the projections also looking at Dicaprio in that same realm? Looking for the dreamer?

See, I went into the movie thinking that they were invading peoples dreams, not creating their own...so I got stuck on that one part, and really never understand the role of the architect since I didnt really understand how they fed the dream to the mark. I just brushed it off really. I am now fully behind the concept of it being a "fake" dream. Where the dream is fed into the network of unconscious minds, and the events can play out, except the mark isnt aware that it is a dream (or that they are involved in a real world plot). That would mean that someone "controls" the dream, since they know the layout and the goals, while the mark simply runs on subconscious. That doesnt necessarily make the term "dreamer" correct...its more like "controller". Someone who is aware of the layout and plans, and works to make that stuff happen. The dream itself is not really theirs, it's being fed in from the source/created by the architect. I think that's a better explanation than "they were in so and so's dream"...although a simpler explanation would be "I'm the dreamer" since they are in control.

Besides, in realm one...which was NOT Gordon levitts dream...Hardy pulls out a giant grenade gun and says "you should dream bigger". That implies that Gordon Levitt had control of what gun he dreamed up in someone elses dream...and it is absolute proof that Hardy had the ability to dream up his weapon of choice in someone else's dream. So...since they all had that ability, why not use it? Cillian Murphy was unconscious in level one, and it showed that if he cant see it, his subconscious doesnt know about it...so why doesnt the indian guy just do some crazy weapon stuff? It is HIS dream, and Hardy just showed that it didnt even have to be his dream to invent cooler weapons...I'm not questioning who's dream it was...just looking for a reasonable explanation for things. The "dreamer" in each level chose not to populate their world with ANYONE...despite the fact that the movie made a point of saying it was the dreamers responsibility to do so. Instead, it seems that they made an off camera agreement to not make any inhabitants and for some reason just let Murphys inhabitants run rampant...to not clue Murphy in? What about in level 2 and 3 where murphy knew he was dreaming already? No harm could have come from letting him know that he was dreaming...

 

[redhawk23]

hey, you're right!!!

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Of course, that is followed with a joke...

And why did he have to explain to the architect that he was the dreamer. She would have already known since she taught him the world. Also, why are the projections also looking at Dicaprio in that same realm? Looking for the dreamer?

See, I went into the movie thinking that they were invading peoples dreams, not creating their own...so I got stuck on that one part, and really never understand the role of the architect since I didnt really understand how they fed the dream to the mark. I just brushed it off really. I am now fully behind the concept of it being a "fake" dream. Where the dream is fed into the network of unconscious minds, and the events can play out, except the mark isnt aware that it is a dream (or that they are involved in a real world plot). That would mean that someone "controls" the dream, since they know the layout and the goals, while the mark simply runs on subconscious. That doesnt necessarily make the term "dreamer" correct...its more like "controller". Someone who is aware of the layout and plans, and works to make that stuff happen. The dream itself is not really theirs, it's being fed in from the source/created by the architect. I think that's a better explanation than "they were in so and so's dream"...although a simpler explanation would be "I'm the dreamer" since they are in control.

Besides, in realm one...which was NOT Gordon levitts dream...Hardy pulls out a giant grenade gun and says "you should dream bigger". That implies that Gordon Levitt had control of what gun he dreamed up in someone elses dream...and it is absolute proof that Hardy had the ability to dream up his weapon of choice in someone else's dream. So...since they all had that ability, why not use it? Cillian Murphy was unconscious in level one, and it showed that if he cant see it, his subconscious doesnt know about it...so why doesnt the indian guy just do some crazy weapon stuff? It is HIS dream, and Hardy just showed that it didnt even have to be his dream to invent cooler weapons...I'm not questioning who's dream it was...just looking for a reasonable explanation for things. The "dreamer" in each level chose not to populate their world with ANYONE...despite the fact that the movie made a point of saying it was the dreamers responsibility to do so. Instead, it seems that they made an off camera agreement to not make any inhabitants and for some reason just let Murphys inhabitants run rampant...to not clue Murphy in? What about in level 2 and 3 where murphy knew he was dreaming already? No harm could have come from letting him know that he was dreaming...

of course they let fischers projections run free, the whole point of the thing is that that he fill the world they've created with his subconscious. they just didn't expect him to bring an army

 

[Heretic]

of course they let fischers projections run free, the whole point of the thing is that that he fill the world they've created with his subconscious. they just didn't expect him to bring an army

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Once he did though, why not call an audible? They did many other times...why not with this? And the "we cant let his subconscious know" isnt a valid excuse since his subconscious could not possibly have known anything that happened while he was unconscious. I'm not complaining about the film...I loved it...but these decisions made by the characters served to ONLY put the mission in jeopardy.

 

[J.Howlett]

Ariadne called an audible on level three to get Eames to the compound quicker. Ariadne's paradox came into play in Arthur's level (level 2). Heretic, you've mentioned Eames audible in level 1.

But remember, you can't change too much or the projections become known to the whole thing. And since Fischer was trained by an "extractor", which created an army, doing too many changes would've basically unleashed a war within the dream.

At the end of the day, they are in a race against time because of Fischer's projections, but they have to careful about it too.

And remember, in the "reality", there are in Fischer's mind the whole time, even though they go through four different levels (Yusif, Arthur's, Eames, Cobb's) within his mind. It's still his mind

I know for a fact I just didn't explain that well but...

EDIT: What a second...when they begin the mission, who's mind do they start off in again?

I'm so confused (3PO voice)....

 

[Ajendo]

This film was fantastic!! Everyone was on top form. Dicaprio in my mind is a screen legend. People can complain about how he's oscar chasing, who cares? The guy's a bloody good actor and he just owned in this film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Ok, What was the reason Saito wanted to perform inception on Robert again? I want the specifics on the condition of the two companies.

 

[CelticPredator]

He wanted to take out the competion.

 

[Ajendo]

So, this film was basically some mind-f***ed love story and corporate espionage by way of a rather elaborate means that involves manipulating one's subconscious.

just one question because I'm hearing different stories now...

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by the end of the film, was it still a dream or was Cobb in reality? Because I didn't see nor hear the totem spinner-top drop

 

[El KnightoDarko]

So, this film was basically some mind-f***ed love story and corporate espionage by way of a rather elaborate means that involves manipulating one's subconscious.

just one question because I'm hearing different stories now...

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by the end of the film, was it still a dream or was Cobb in reality? Because I didn't see nor hear the totem spinner-top drop

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No one saw the totem drop. It's an equivocal ending, intentionally left open to interpretation. This has been a hot topic of discussion on this thread. Of course, there are enough arguments to support either ending, and no one can say for sure which is correct.

 

[Longshot777]

Great film!!!

But I think Nolan has implanted an Inception to the critics to spread to the public how this is the breakthrough film of all time.


It does not have the breakthrough IMPACT spiritually, socially, politically, and philosophically that the Matrix did on 1999.

Even the fight scenes on the Matrix was innovative.

But nevertheless, Inception is a great film.


Few questions:

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Shouldn't the architect be on every dream since she's the one that creates it?? So why in the beginning, She was not suppose to go with Cobb on the first place??

Everyone was afraid of Limbo but it has the same ESCAPE CLAUSE like the rest of Dreams....Just kill yourself. Why were they afraid of Limbo if it has the same rules and Cobb knows it?

Why does Cobb has to implant the IDEA to his wife??......why can he just SAY....look..lets just kill ourselves???


So Cilian's father at the end was all staged by the crew right?? His father was never proud of him in reality wanting to be his own man?

 

[cheungcheung]

This thread really would be better if we just put SPOILERS in the topic title.

agreed.....

 

[Doctor Jones]

Great film!!!

But I think Nolan has implanted an Inception to the critics to spread to the public how this is the breakthrough film of all time.


It does not have the breakthrough IMPACT spiritually, socially, politically, and philosophically that the Matrix did on 1999.

Even the fight scenes on the Matrix was innovative.

But nevertheless, Inception is a great film.


Few questions:

Spoiler

Shouldn't the architect be on every dream since she's the one that creates it?? So why in the beginning, She was not suppose to go with Cobb on the first place??

Everyone was afraid of Limbo but it has the same ESCAPE CLAUSE like the rest of Dreams....Just kill yourself. Why were they afraid of Limbo if it has the same rules and Cobb knows it?

Why does Cobb has to implant the IDEA to his wife??......why can he just SAY....look..lets just kill ourselves???


So Cilian's father at the end was all staged by the crew right?? His father was never proud of him in reality wanting to be his own man?

That's because The Matrix already happened. Nolan never tried to upstage that film and what it did. It was inspired by it. You can't create the wow factor twice since it already happened. The visuals in this film had some wow moments, but it wasn't because it was tied to the kind of visuals from The Matrix.

It's a good thing I didn't read any of the reviews.