Christopher Nolan's Inception

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Was anyone a bit surprised that

there was no betrayal of some sort among the group? Like Arthur for instance. We seemed to know the least bit of info about him and he also made the mistake of not thoroughly researching the person they were going to use Inception on.

I also thought it could have been Saito after being shot and the possibility of being in Limbo forever, he could have called the whole operation off by taking someone hostage or something.

Possibly even Eames, he seemed to jump on board with the idea without any doubts or hesitation.

But with that many characters I felt like a betrayal was a certainty.
 
Dear god this is ****ing insane! I've seen the movie twice, I've read all the theories. I took in account many of the properties and I still, I still dont know
if the end was a dream or not
dear god this movies gonna be stuck in my mind for a while.
 
i think the ending [BLACKOUT]was real too[/BLACKOUT]
the movie pretty much started and ended with him trying to save Saito, and i don't remember saito's line but it was something like die old or grow old with regret and something about him and Cobb coming back to land, they mentioned this line a few times in the movie, and we saw it at the end when Saito was old he said it again, then Leo wakes up, just makes more sense if it was real

This is a very good theory on the ending.

I still think the ending might be a dream, but reading other's comments do give me some fresh insight on this movie.
 
I still don't understand why people need a definitive answer to the ending. Why does it have to be one way or another?
 
I think that first topple of the... top was enough. As an audience, of course we're going to doubt the reality of the ending, as Nolan obviously wanted. The film is up for discussion no matter where you go. It's obviously a complex film with more to analyze as you watch it multiple times. But even the slight topple was enough for me. After spending the last fews day trying to figure it out ( this is no joke, I lost sleep that first night trying to figure it out) that topple was enough for me. Not just as a function of the totem, but from Nolan himself. It's obvious he wanted people to discuss it throughly, but, to me, that slight topple was enough. I honestly think the ending was was real.

Now, the only aspect of the film I've had trouble figuring out was did Cobb plant in Mal's mind? What was his inception on her?
 
I think that first topple of the... top was enough. As an audience, of course we're going to doubt the reality of the ending, as Nolan obviously wanted. The film is up for discussion no matter where you go. It's obviously a complex film with more to analyze as you watch it multiple times. But even the slight topple was enough for me. After spending the last fews day trying to figure it out ( this is no joke, I lost sleep that first night trying to figure it out) that topple was enough for me. Not just as a function of the totem, but from Nolan himself. It's obvious he wanted people to discuss it throughly, but, to me, that slight topple was enough. I honestly think the ending was was real.

Now, the only aspect of the film I've had trouble figuring out was did Cobb plant in Mal's mind? What was his inception on her?
The inception planted by Cobb was the idea that this world isn't real (since Cobb knew how the top worked, it would obviously keep spinning...in her vault of secrets let's say... since he knew they were in limbo...but Mal thought they were in the real world since they recreated from their own memories making it hard to decipher if they were in the real world or not)
 
The inception planted by Cobb was the idea that this world isn't real (since Cobb knew how the top worked, it would obviously keep spinning...in her vault of secrets let's say... since he knew they were in limbo...but Mal thought they were in the real world since they recreated from their own memories making it hard to decipher if they were in the real world or not)

OH. Yay. I kinda had this theory before, but watching it a second time messed me up a bit. Thanks for clearing it up! :yay:
 
But if that fortress doesn't even exist in real life...there is no way he could of remembered how it looked when the only time he saw that place was through a dream within a dream...at the beginning...

Of course he can, don't you remember him saying "its like something out of a half remembered dream. And Fischer remembered being kidnapped while in another dream, so it was possible.
 
Of course he can, don't you remember him saying "its like something out of a half remembered dream. And Fischer remembered being kidnapped while in another dream, so it was possible.
Ahh...I see...it's just odd that he would recreate that particular place...
 
would I be correct in thinking cobb and mal killed themselves in limbo as old people to 'go up a level' and then when you see them with their necks on the train track ready to commit suicide they are killing themselves for the second (or whatever) time?
 
Ahh...I see...it's just odd that he would recreate that particular place...

I can see your point, but since its in his memory it probably was only a matter of time. And doing so, he got lost in the dream and couldn't remember that he was dreaming until Cobb showed up.
 
Oscar speculation underway for "Inception" (Reuters)

Source: Reuters Mon Jul 19, 2010, 1:19 am EDT

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Can "Inception" safely dream of Oscar glory? That's one conundrum that will linger long after average moviegoers have stopped debating the ambiguities of Christopher Nolan's twisty new thrill ride into the subconscious.

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences failed to reward Nolan's most recent movie, mega-grossing "The Dark Knight," with a best picture nomination, though it collected eight other nominations. And though the producers, directors and writers guilds all nominated Nolan for that movie, the Academy didn't. To date, Nolan has earned only one Oscar nomination, for his original screenplay for "Memento."

The resulting outcry from "Knight's" fans was so loud it influenced the decision last year to double the field to 10 nominees, with the Academy's then-president Sid Ganis acknowledging, "I would not be telling you the truth if I said the words 'Dark Knight' did not come up."

An "Inception" best picture nomination would be some compensation for the slight to "Knight," but with nominations still six months away, "Inception's" best picture prospects are a long way from a sure thing.
The Warner Bros. release cleared the first hurdle this weekend when it opened to a solid $60.4 million in North America. Oscar nominees don't have to be box office blockbusters, but if Nolan's fan base hadn't shown up en masse, that would have damaged the movie's chances.

Reviews have not been as ecstatic as those that greeted "Knight," which scored an 82 out of 100 at Metacritic.com. As of Sunday, "Inception" was rated 76. The movie did get a key endorsement from hometown reviewer Kenneth Turan of the Los Angeles Times who praised it for "expertly blending the best of traditional and modern filmmaking. If you're searching for smart and nervy popular entertainment, this is what it looks like."

But Leah Rozen, writing at theWrap.com, offered a caveat, saying the movie "proves more engaging to the mind and eyes than to the heart." That could prove a potential stumbling block for Academy members, who vote as much with their hearts as with their heads.

Such other visionary movies as "2001," "Blade Runner" and "The Matrix" all failed to earn best picture nominations, though they picked up nominations in other categories. On the other hand, it might be a good omen that Alfred Hitchcock's "Spellbound," his 1945 plunge into Freudian dream analysis and Dali-esque surrealism, earned best picture and director nominations. Also like "Knight," "Inception" should prove competitive in a wide range of categories, and, with 10 slots to fill, that would help push it into best picture contention.

Its chances in the acting categories -- where "Knight" brought the late Heath Ledger a best supporting actor trophy -- are the most problematic. The "Inception" cast boasts impressive credentials: Leonardo DiCaprio, Ellen Page and Ken Watanabe are all previous nominees, and Michael Caine and Marion Cotillard are past winners. But, here, the actors are all working in service of the Rubik's Cube plot, which rarely stops long enough to give them the sort of all-out dramatic scenes the Academy favors. And though DiCaprio could make a credible Oscar bid, he also could lose some votes to his companion performance this year as another man playing mind games in Martin Scorsese's "Shutter Island."

The rest of the key crew -- several of whom also were nominated for "Knight" -- all have to be considered contenders. Two-time Oscar winner Hans Zimmer performed the movie's relentlessly driving score at the "Inception" premiere last week in Los Angeles, which could be the overture to a successful Oscar run. (Good omen No. 2: Miklos Rozsa's classic score for "Spellbound" was an Oscar winner in its day.)

By cutting among three simultaneous dreams, film editor Lee Smith's work harkens to the granddaddy of bravura editing, Cecil B. DeMille's "Intolerance." Even New York magazine critic David Edelstein, who found a lot to criticize in the film, said of Smith, "He's all but sewn up this year's editing Oscar."

Now, it's all a question of how the industry responds over the coming weeks and months. First reactions, which trickled in over the weekend, were for the most part upbeat. "I saw Inception last night & had a good time, but must admit it's a bit trite & stilted. Still though, leagues above most drivel," producer Ted Hope wrote to his Twitter followers.

In another tweet, director Edgar Wright, whose "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" hits theaters next month, joked, "Amazing stuff. May have fallen asleep, but really who could tell?"

And "Lost" executive producer David Lindelof, no stranger to mind-bending puzzlers, exclaimed, "I wish that someone would break into my dreams and give me an idea HALF as good as INCEPTION."
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/oscar-speculation-underway-inception-reuters
 
I still don't understand why people need a definitive answer to the ending. Why does it have to be one way or another?

I think it is the ambiguity of the ending that makes people discuss it endlessly. And by cutting the film just before the top topples over or stays spinning, Nolan is encouraging this kind of discussion which he knew will inevitable happen. The ending is also tied up to the rest of the movie, and whether it supports the theory that everything else was a dream, or not.
 
I can write a essay long review of this movie but I won't and others already have but none the else, my short review
10/10
The response of this movie is bombarded with questions and figuring it out what the ending meant but the TRUE theme( and NOLAN likes themes) I believe I got from this Film is.....
Letting Go...
we have theses dreams we hold near and dear and we live with them hoping they will become a reality but in the end we all must let go and move on and let life take it's course and move on from there

which is ironic when you must
let go
with peoples theory's and just watch the film and be independent and make your own rules. The Smartest Film I ever watched and God I love when Movies make you Think and not DUMB it down for the average foke, Memento was a rare example but I don't know what ever happen to those guys who wrote and directed that~wink~ Best movie of the year so far besides Shutter Island (LEO better get a OSCAR) bring on BATMAN 3!
 
I can see your point, but since its in his memory it probably was only a matter of time. And doing so, he got lost in the dream and couldn't remember that he was dreaming until Cobb showed up.
Yup...and then after that (the plane sequence) is where things get fuzzy again...
 
Ok, I've been reading through this entire thread to look up something I noticed after viewing the film. I had originally read about something being in the credits, but it turns out what people were referring to is completely different than what I had seen. Most have already brought up [blackout]the different actors playing the kids at different ages[/blackout]. However, did anyone else notice that:

The 'INCEPTION' title screen was displayed three different times during the end credits? Once, right at the end with the blackout. Then the main names are listed (not sure if it was the heist crew, or just the top-billed names)...then 'INCEPTION' displays on the screen again. The rest of the credits play out normally, and once again 'INCEPTION' is shown.

Now I don't want to be one of those crazy theorists out there, but surely this beyond odd. Not only because main titles are never displayed that much, but it was pretty odd for the titles to show up within a few seconds of each other. A bit repetitive, no? I can't remember if the titles were also at the beginning of the film, but if so, that'd make the title appearing four times throughout the movie. Silly coincidence?

Someone tell me I'm not crazy here. :o
 
Plus, I don't remember anything from the film that limbo could take on the form by whoever was there last. Level 4 is clearly Cobb's dream, with his own designs (not by Ariadne).
They do. Trust me. In the warehouse when they're all arguing, and when it is revealed that if they die they go to limbo.
 
I pretty much understood just about everything in this film with my first viewing since the movie is very linear and explains just about everything. I do have a few questions that still have me a tad bit puzzled.

When Cobb and Ariadne go down a level after Fischer gets shot, that's one more level into subconscious and not limbo correct? Same with the past when Cobb and Mal forget they are dreaming, that's also not limbo right? I ask because the movie clearly explains in the warehouse right after Saito gets shot that if you die in a dream when you're under heavy sedation, that's how you end up in limbo.

The other question is, was Fischer really dead from getting shot by Mal or just severly injured? I ask because you don't use defibrillator pads on someone who is still alive, only flat lines. If he was truly dead, then obviously Cobb and Ariadne went into his limbo which of course was populated with Cobb and Mal's creations since Cobb was the only one out of the whole team to have been into limbo before. This is also explained in the warehouse, that limbo is dead space(meaning anyone can fill it with whatever they want but if any of the team dies, they will end up in limbo with it being Cobb's design since he was the only one to have ever been in limbo out of everyone in the group before.

I ask these two questions to tie into
Cobb magically appearing on the beach and finding Saito. Limbo is dead space, so there isn't multiple levels of it like going further into someone's dreams or subconscious. So in that scene I take it he ended up in limbo with Saito since he drowned in the van. Only thing that confuses me is that if(key word if)he was in Fischer's limbo to get him out with Ariadne and then he drowns in the van shortly after on the first level, he's already in limbo apparently so why does he get moved to the beach near Saito's recreated house? Only thing I can think of is that Fischer wasn't dead from the bullet and Cobb and Ariadne just went into Cobb's subconscious into a 4th level of the dream bringing Fischer back to the third level.

There's a few possibilities and i'm mainly wondering which might be the right one, if there is in fact a correct answer.

Ok, I've been reading through this entire thread to look up something I noticed after viewing the film. I had originally read about something being in the credits, but it turns out what people were referring to is completely different than what I had seen. Most have already brought up [blackout]the different actors playing the kids at different ages[/blackout]. However, did anyone else notice that:

The 'INCEPTION' title screen was displayed three different times during the end credits? Once, right at the end with the blackout. Then the main names are listed (not sure if it was the heist crew, or just the top-billed names)...then 'INCEPTION' displays on the screen again. The rest of the credits play out normally, and once again 'INCEPTION' is shown.

Now I don't want to be one of those crazy theorists out there, but surely this beyond odd. Not only because main titles are never displayed that much, but it was pretty odd for the titles to show up within a few seconds of each other. A bit repetitive, no? I can't remember if the titles were also at the beginning of the film, but if so, that'd make the title appearing four times throughout the movie. Silly coincidence?

Someone tell me I'm not crazy here. :o

You're not. I can't remember either if the title was at the beginning of the movie but I did notice it appeared at least twice during the end credits. I didn't stay long enough to see it a third time.
 
It was not at the beginning. I know that for sure. I only stayed for a second at the end when it said Inception so I would not know beyond that.

But like Begins and TDK there is no title at the beginning.
 
What do you guys say to the people that think Inception is a rip-off of the Matrix/Dark city?
 
I personally dont think this flick will get much oscar buzz, but hey who knows.
 
The plot is nothing like The Matrix or Dark City. Anyone making that accusation, IMO, doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
I pretty much understood just about everything in this film with my first viewing since the movie is very linear and explains just about everything. I do have a few questions that still have me a tad bit puzzled.

When Cobb and Ariadne go down a level after Fischer gets shot, that's one more level into subconscious and not limbo correct? Same with the past when Cobb and Mal forget they are dreaming, that's also not limbo right? I ask because the movie clearly explains in the warehouse right after Saito gets shot that if you die in a dream when you're under heavy sedation, that's how you end up in limbo.

The other question is, was Fischer really dead from getting shot by Mal or just severly injured? I ask because you don't use defibrillator pads on someone who is still alive, only flat lines. If he was truly dead, then obviously Cobb and Ariadne went into his limbo which of course was populated with Cobb and Mal's creations since Cobb was the only one out of the whole team to have been into limbo before. This is also explained in the warehouse, that limbo is dead space(meaning anyone can fill it with whatever they want but if any of the team dies, they will end up in limbo with it being Cobb's design since he was the only one to have ever been in limbo out of everyone in the group before.

I ask these two questions to tie into
Cobb magically appearing on the beach and finding Saito. Limbo is dead space, so there isn't multiple levels of it like going further into someone's dreams or subconscious. So in that scene I take it he ended up in limbo with Saito since he drowned in the van. Only thing that confuses me is that if(key word if)he was in Fischer's limbo to get him out with Ariadne and then he drowns in the van shortly after on the first level, he's already in limbo apparently so why does he get moved to the beach near Saito's recreated house? Only thing I can think of is that Fischer wasn't dead from the bullet and Cobb and Ariadne just went into Cobb's subconscious into a 4th level of the dream bringing Fischer back to the third level.

There's a few possibilities and i'm mainly wondering which might be the right one, if there is in fact a correct answer.



You're not. I can't remember either if the title was at the beginning of the movie but I did notice it appeared at least twice during the end credits. I didn't stay long enough to see it a third time.

Ariadne and Cobb go into Limbo to get Fischer. When Mal and Cobb forgot they were dreaming, that was limbo. Cobb says so when he and Ariadne get there. Also, Cobb doesn't magically appear on the beach. He drowns in the first level of the dream and since he's under heavy sedation, he's sent to limbo and all the following "Cobb"s cease to exist. But I see you've said this. Ariadne says in the warehouse that anyone who dies would go to the limbo of the person who's been there (Cobb) so they all end up in Cobb's limbo.
 
I pretty much understood just about everything in this film with my first viewing since the movie is very linear and explains just about everything. I do have a few questions that still have me a tad bit puzzled.

When Cobb and Ariadne go down a level after Fischer gets shot, that's one more level into subconscious and not limbo correct? Same with the past when Cobb and Mal forget they are dreaming, that's also not limbo right? I ask because the movie clearly explains in the warehouse right after Saito gets shot that if you die in a dream when you're under heavy sedation, that's how you end up in limbo.

The other question is, was Fischer really dead from getting shot by Mal or just severly injured? I ask because you don't use defibrillator pads on someone who is still alive, only flat lines. If he was truly dead, then obviously Cobb and Ariadne went into his limbo which of course was populated with Cobb and Mal's creations since Cobb was the only one out of the whole team to have been into limbo before. This is also explained in the warehouse, that limbo is dead space(meaning anyone can fill it with whatever they want but if any of the team dies, they will end up in limbo with it being Cobb's design since he was the only one to have ever been in limbo out of everyone in the group before.

Personally, that part also puzzles me, because both Cobb & Ariadne went to the Limbo, the place that Cobb & Mal spent alot of time constructing the city from their memories. It seems like when you ended up in Limbo, you washed up on the beach. But later, after Cobb stayed in that level, he appeared to really died (in the van on the 1st dream), and he was sent to another Limbo, but it appeared to belong to Saito, hence the reason he was washed on the beach again. After Saito picked up Cobb's pistol, Cobb appeared to have woke up, but whether he was in another dream or woke up for real is up for debate.
 
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I personally dont think this flick will get much oscar buzz, but hey who knows.

It will. Regardless of anything I'm almost positive it will get a nomination for best picture. Will it win? That's another story. Remember now they have 10 in the category mainly because of the uproar of TDK, even the president said so int hat article above. I think they may give it to him for the uproar of TDK. Regardless of the reason if he did get it, he deserved it for this film.

But I'm sure it will be nominated with such a big category list now. I mean if the Blind Side gets nominated I'm sure this will at least get a nom.
 
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