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Okay, I need more clarification regarding
this whole limbo thing. That's one of the mind boggling things on this board. So many people have so many different theories and ideas so it's hard to keep up with what's the truth.

Anyway, when Fischer gets shot by Mal, they go to Dom and Mal's limbo, a limbo that is universal, but only the two have been there so it only has their creations in them. But this is not the fourth level of the dream world correct? I could have sworn Leo said limbo was the next step, there are no other levels. So it's just plain limbo? No fourth level of the dream at all?

Along with that, Saito. If time gets slower in each dream level, and Saito died in the third, but he really died in the first becasue that's where he was shot, how come when he died in the first level (if he even died in the first level) and went to his own limbo from that first level did he age so much? Cobb went from him and Mal's limbo and was there. How much time went by in their limbo before he went to Saito's? If the time is shorter from where Saito died, Im confused why he aged more than from Leo when he was in the third level and went from limbo to there.

Or is limbo so universal, limbo itself has one time frame only. The time that goes by in limbo doesn't matter where you die in any dream level? When Saito dies in level one and then Cobb dies they are in the same time frame of limbo? I know Saito has his own limbo. Or is it because since both Saito and Cobb died in level one by drowining, Cobb was able to Saito through level one of dying from drowning. So the time he spent from when Saito died to when he rescused Fischer, time went by causing Saito to age in the single time frame of limbo (assuming limbo has one and only time frame that is)

My head is about to explode.
 
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Rock Sexton said:
One obscure thing about that movie that I thought was cool was how Nolan casted Leo, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and Lukas Haas together in a film. These guys at one point in time were all major child stars in film. Leo obviously the most successful of the three.
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Leo and Joseph were also both on Roseanne. :yay:
 
Doctor Jones said:
Okay, I need more clarification regarding
this whole limbo thing. That's one of the mind boggling things on this board. So many people have so many different theories and ideas so it's hard to keep up with what's the truth.

Anyway, when Fischer gets shot by Mal, they go to Dom and Mal's limbo, a limbo that is universal, but only the two have been there so it only has their creations in them. But this is not the fourth level of the dream world correct? I could have sworn Leo said limbo was the next step, there are no other levels. So it's just plain limbo? No fourth level at all?

If this is true then it answers my main question as well. I think that is true because I was bringing up the fact earlier that they say if you die in a dream under sedation you'll go to limbo but when you think about it, Cobb and Mal never died to get to limbo in the flashbacks, they died to get out. That means as Cobb mentioned, he kept pushing Mal to go deeper and deeper with him, so they must have reached limbo on that 4th level.

Along with that, Saito. If time gets slower in the dream levels, and Saito died in the third, but he really died int he first becasue that's hwere he was shot, how come when he died in the first level (if he even died in the first level) and went to his own limbo from that first level did he age so much? Cobb went from him and Mal's limbo and was there. How much time went by in their limbo before he went to Saito's? If the time is shorter from where Saito died, I"m confused why he aged more then from Leo when he was in the third level and went form limbo to there.

Saito only died in the third because ultimately he did in fact die in the first and that sent him to limbo before anyone else and as far as I can tell, he was in there a lot longer.

Or is limbo so universal, limbo itself has one time frame only. The time that goes by in limbo doesn't matter where you die in any dream level? When Saito dies in level one and then Cobb dies they are in the same time frame of limbo? I know Saito has his own limbo. Or is it because since both Saito and Cobb died in level one by drowining, Cobb was able to Saito through level one of dying from drowning. So the time he spent from when Saito died to when he rescused Fischer, time went by causing Saito to age in the single time frame of limbo (assuming limbo has one and only time frame that is)

That's also what I believe, that limbo is universal, it's not different in othe people's minds. When Cobb and Ariadne go in, what Cobb and Mal created in the past(the city)was falling apart and going away. Later on when Cobb is on the beach, it's the same limbo but what him and Mal created is gone...or at least on another side away from Saito's house.
My head is about to explode.
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It's pretty crazy and i'm honestly starting to think it wasn't explained properly in the movie. Nolan explained pretty much everything else but I think he missed one or two tidbits that would have helped. Which is why myself and a few others have been questioning the whole
universal/multiple limbo aspect as well as Cobb being in limbo with Ariadne but then dying in the van and being in a different spot of limbo, unless in that short time frame the city Mal and him created was entirely gone by that point.
 
Crook said:
I've sat through plenty of end credits. The titles never show up twice.
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The title shows up twice in both BB and TDK. Once when we first cut to black, and then again at the very end of the credits. With Inception, the title appeared once when we first cut to black, again after Leo's name (the rest of the cast followed the title) and a final time at the very end. Not sure what the significance of it all is, but seeing it again after only Leo's name so soon after it already appeared was indeed a tad weird.
 
Yeah, a little more clarification would have been helpful but I do think that the fourth level was indeed limbo. What leads me to think this is when Mal and Cobb wake up in the room with the sun rising behind. This scene occured after they died in the place where they built the city and I think the few scenes that followed that were other dream realms. I could be wrong about that though.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/19/inception.ending.ew/index.html?hpt=C2

(EW.com) -- Pretty sure the headline makes it clear enough, but I'm gonna go ahead and slap a big ol' SPOILER ALERT on this one anyway, because some people are too busy to actually read headlines. But yes, for those who haven't seen "Inception" yet: First off, do so, because it's a blast and definitely a "worth seeing in the theaters" pic with all the collapsing cities-type effects and such. Secondly, avert your eye, because I wanna talk about that last scene.

My first reaction when the movie ended and that damn top was still spinning was a chuckle (most every one else in my theater seemed to prefer a groan). What a pain in the ass, I thought lovingly of director Chris Nolan, for teasing us. I mean, OF COURSE Leo's character got home. He woke up on the plane with the rest of the gang, went through customs, got to the house, and the kids finally turned around -- something that did not, seemingly COULD not happen in his dreams. Ever. So what if the top kept spinning. It was just Nolan having a little fun with us. It even started to wobble there at the end, right? It was just a matter of time, a technicality. It probably fell the moment the screen went black.

But as I got up to leave the theater, I realized I wasn't going to be able to stick with that explanation for long. Because it DIDN'T fall before the screen went black. We never saw it topple. It was still spinning, so there is no way we know for certain it was reality and not Cobb stuck in a new dimension of his subconscious, this time not with Mal but with his smiling kids. In retrospect, the final minutes wrapped up really quickly and perfectly. After the moment of tension at the first customs stop, Cobb breezed through the rest of the airport, met up with Miles who, without much chit-chat at all, led him straight to the kids, who were outside playing in the same position as in the dreams (Were they also wearing the same clothes as in the dreams? Were they the same age? How long had he been away?), and quickly turned around and jumped up into their daddy's arms. Sure, it could've just been a tidy dénouement. No real dialogue or additional tension was required. Saito put in the call as he said he would, Miles was notified to pick up Cobb at the airport, done and done. But still, I kept thinking, as I walked out of that theater, that it all seemed a lot like a "dream come true," devoid of any of the nuance and hiccups that clog up reality.

What's more, Cobb didn't even wait around to see for himself if his totem would fall. He rushed off to be with the kids. It was as if he didn't care -- he wanted to live that reality whether in dream or consciousness. Maybe he came back 10 minutes later and spun it again. And maybe it fell. Or maybe there's a sequel coming.

I loved this movie with or without that final wrinkle. That top could've fallen the split second before the screen went to black and I'd have been just as happy with it. Yet, I can't help but obsess over the fact that it was a mystery left for us to discuss. So PopWatchers, over to you: Was Cobb dreaming or did he finally find a way home?
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Do you guys consider this Nolan's best film?

I think it is...Right there with Dark Knight and Memento...But this film was crafted by a magician.

1) Inception
2) Dark Knight
3) Memento
4) Prestige
 
I can't compare this to the rest of his movies. They are totally different from each other.

Memento is more intimate BUT I DO think it's more REVOLUTIONARY and ORIGINAL than Inception.

Prestige is one of my favorites...about rivalry and total dedication to your art.

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are tHE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIES

Inception is the MOST EPIC...but is it the best of his movies....Can't say.


Matrix, Inception, and Vanilla Sky are up there for dream movies
 
Is there any word on a possible sequel? I wouldn't be too upset if there wasn't. This movie is great just by itself, still the idea's presented were awesome and I just want more.
 
Figs said:
In the same limbo correct? Meaning there aren't multiple types of limbo but just a universal one.
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I think it was explained in the movie (by Cobb I think) that when multiple people are sharing a dream, the Limbo that they will descend to is the one that were visited by one of the people in the dream. Since Cobb & Mal already spent time in the Limbo, that's why everybody goes to the Limbo that Cobb created.
 
A sequel would completely take away the ambiguity of Inception. That's why I don't see it happening.
 
Longshot777 said:
I can't compare this to the rest of his movies. They are totally different from each other.
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No they aren't. All of his movies share two common themes; obsession and loss.

Insomnia: Dormer is haunted by the loss of his partner, which fuels his desire to catch the serial killer.

Memento: Leonard is dealing with the loss of his wife and is obsessed with finding her killer.

Batman Begins: Bruce is haunted by the loss of his parents and becomes obsessed with Batman.

The Prestige: Angier, spurred on by his wife's death, becomes obsessed with out doing Borden.

The Dark Knight: Bruce is still obsessed with the idea of Batman. Loses Rachel because of it.

Inception: Cobb is obsessed with the dream world and is haunted by his "dead" wife.

So yeah, his movies deal with same themes and are very much comparable.
 
Didn't Page ask Cobb
where Saito was when they went to the next level after Fischer got shot, and he said something like " he's down here somewhere" so that would mean they were all in the same limbo right?
 
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