The Dark Knight Rises Cillian Murphy Keeping Fingers Crossed For 'Dark Knight' Sequel

[El Payaso]

It's like you don't understand the character of scarecrow at all!

Yerah, I never got he was the unfunny comedic relief in comics.

 

[brook_33]

I see plenty of opportunity for Scarecrow to return. There are multiple scenarios:

- Arkham Asylum is shown again, and he'd be an inmate
- The new villain might orchestrate a breakout at Arkham and maybe Blackgate to cause havok while the cops are distracted with Batman, or to lure Batman out
- Talia al Ghul is a villain and comes seeking answers about her father and breaks out or at least visits Scarecrow in Arkham
- If he never was arrested in TDK, as Batman only left him to be arrested, so he could be a villain or help the new villain
- This could be stretching it for the Nolan-verse, but I think that if Bane ever shows up his syrum could be used to turn Scarecrow into the Scarebeast
- I always felt that, since he was a doctor that worked with Arkham patients, Batman or Gordon could approach him for information about the new villain and their madness kinda like Hannibal Lector

 

[El Payaso]

We don't lack of scenarios for Scarecrow, I think we lack of a proper treatment for the character.

 

[Jick]

\- I always felt that, since he was a doctor that worked with Arkham patients, Batman or Gordon could approach him for information about the new villain and their madness kinda like Hannibal Lector

I think they could do that with the Joker, in a dark room, where we can barely see his face. They just need someone who looks and express himself like him and manipulate the voice to sound like Ledger's.

 

[The Guard]

A second consecutive subpar use of The Scarecrow? Sign me up!

 

[Ipodman]

He will be frozen in Freeze's ice lair

 

[Keyser Soze]

Yerah, I never got he was the unfunny comedic relief in comics.

I think the point TheBatman072 was making is that The Scarecrow is SUPPOSED to be a puny wimp. He's a nice contrast to Batman because, while Batman is the real deal, underneath all his scare tactics Crane is just a poseur. So complaining because Crane wasn't some fearsome super-strong badass kinda misses the point.

 

[mothy]

We don't lack of scenarios for Scarecrow, I think we lack of a proper treatment for the character.

nolan always wanted a costume for crane, he just wanted a reason for crane to have the costume, and therefore asked screenwriter david goyer, "why does he need the mask?" hence the explanation behind the mask within the story (and the character's richer for it).

and as a longtime batman fan, i thought scarecrow was done 100% right. nothing about him was really "watered-down," since the essence of the character was entirely intact. and i'd even argue his minimalistic costume is far more effective than his garb in the comics.

 

[Grommers]

Character is fine, and I do think he's run his course, at most just a cameo like most have said, perhaps in more of a scarecrow costume to show how crazy gotham is really getting.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Crane was trying to keep his illegal deeds under cover in order to keep his job, so he couldnt dress up fully in a scarecrow costume. Now that his cover is blown, he could wear the whole costume and its a pity he didnt do it at the beginning of TDK.

Then, Scarecrow was the first freak to appear in Gotham, so he had to be watered down. When noone is wearing a costume in the city, how could he start dressing like a scarecrow all of a sudden? Now that Gotham is filling up with freaks and the precedent is set, its easy for newcomers to just dress flamboyantly and run around the city. They need no practical reason. They'll just do it for fame, recognition and theatricality.

Btw, kudos to Nolan for adapting the iconic image of Scarecrow from the comics where he is wearing a straitjacket while on horseback. Not only did he do it, he found a way to justify it!

 

[Ipodman]

Character is fine, and I do think he's run his course, at most just a cameo like most have said, perhaps in more of a scarecrow costume to show how crazy gotham is really getting.

Small criminal cameo from him in full costume... with some other misc villain running beside him...

 

[mjbull23]

I like scarecrow, and if anything I wish they would've given him a large role in TDK, but let's leave him be. I say give him a cameo in the next movie, and close the character out.

 

[returntovoid]

It's like you don't understand the character of scarecrow at all!

Exactly! without his fear gas, Scarecrow is nothing but a cowardly wimp in the comics and he always gets defeated pathetically like a sissy.

Besides, Batman gave Scarecrow a taste of his own medicine, in the warehouse.

Demon Batman after effects of fear gas:

So, Batman defeating him again at the end would be redundant and Batman was busy going after stopping Ra's Al Ghul, in Batman Begins.

 

[El Payaso]

I think the point TheBatman072 was making is that The Scarecrow is SUPPOSED to be a puny wimp. He's a nice contrast to Batman because, while Batman is the real deal, underneath all his scare tactics Crane is just a poseur. So complaining because Crane wasn't some fearsome super-strong badass kinda misses the point.

The point of any Batman villiain - or any valuable villian - is to be able to put our hero in problems. If you're handling a villiain, in a movie about fear, who's able to terrorize people with fear gas and that fear gas is all over the city and you write a final scene where an average girl can beat him in 5 seconds then you're not making the villiain a worthy character.

I remember Scarecrow being even a physical threat to Batman in comics.

nolan always wanted a costume for crane, he just wanted a reason for crane to have the costume, and therefore asked screenwriter david goyer, "why does he need the mask?" hence the explanation behind the mask within the story (and the character's richer for it).

and as a longtime batman fan, i thought scarecrow was done 100% right. nothing about him was really "watered-down," since the essence of the character was entirely intact. and i'd even argue his minimalistic costume is far more effective than his garb in the comics.

The essence of the chcracter was partially there. Murphy's portrayal was quite weak and external IMO though.

Now I thought Nolan didn't want the costume OR the mask and it was Nolan who convinced him of keeping the mask. But the explanation for it was... just a line in the movie, not something too convincing or elaborated.

That said, I can't see what the Scarecrow's suit has to do with anything I've said.

Btw, kudos to Nolan for adapting the iconic image of Scarecrow from the comics where he is wearing a straitjacket while on horseback. Not only did he do it, he found a way to justify it!

And then a way to ruin it only 10 seconds after achieving such an amazing presence of the character.

The image of him on the horse was fantastic. It was the beginning of the character... and it ended in such an embarassing way so soon.

Exactly! without his fear gas, Scarecrow is nothing but a cowardly wimp in the comics and he always gets defeated pathetically like a sissy.

Never by an average girl. Writers have this idea that villiains should be defeated by the heroes. That way they justify the presence of both.

Besides, Batman gave Scarecrow a taste of his own medicine, in the warehouse.

Yes, up to that the thing was more or less a good fight between them.

 

[returntovoid]

The image of him on the horse was fantastic. It was the beginning of the character... and it ended in such an embarassing way so soon.

How was that the beginning of the character???

I think the beginning of the character was when he drove Falcone insane with fear gas, spraying fear gas and setting Batman on fire etc.

When he was on the horse, I think he got too overconfident.

 

[El Payaso]

How was that the beginning of the character???

I mean he was fully dressed and completely insane. And he stated that he was Crane no more but Scarecrow which at this point is the official start of a villiain. But yes, I can see what you're talking about.

When he was on the horse, I think he got too overconfident.

Which leads me to another point; the inconsistencies about the fear gas.

Crane gasses Rachel and he says it's a "concentrated dose. The mind can only take so much." Later Batman gives Crane the same gas but somehow the effects were quite different.

Anyways, overconfident or not that's not a watchable way to say good-bye to a villiain.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The point of any Batman villiain - or any valuable villian - is to be able to put our hero in problems. If you're handling a villiain, in a movie about fear, who's able to terrorize people with fear gas and that fear gas is all over the city and you write a final scene where an average girl can beat him in 5 seconds then you're not making the villiain a worthy character.

But you re forgetting that it was Ras who orchestrated everything and not Scarecrow. But even so, its true that his defeat was lame.

I remember Scarecrow being even a physical threat to Batman in comics.

I dont think so.

The essence of the chcracter was partially there. Murphy's portrayal was quite weak and external IMO though.

Murphy was amazing!

Never by an average girl. Writers have this idea that villiains should be defeated by the heroes. That way they justify the presence of both.

The scarecrow's threat was never a physical one. Even in comics its not so much about Batman beating him up, but stopping him before he gases the city or whatever he's about to do.

 

[El Payaso]

But you re forgetting that it was Ras who orchestrated everything and not Scarecrow. But even so, its true that his defeat was lame.

I agree with you about Ras being the mind behind the plan. But still one would say they were doing enough to make Scarecrow a worthy villiain.

I dont think so.

Oh, I know so. He even had a fight style and everything. Not it was a real threat but he could fight a little here and there. Again, it's not that he needed to fight in the movie but not to be defeated the way he was unless Batman did it. But nevermind, we agree on that.

Murphy was amazing!

To a certain extent. I was amazed at how an actor could still think that being effeminate and opening your eyes could equal being scary.

The scarecrow's threat was never a physical one. Even in comics its not so much about Batman beating him up, but stopping him before he gases the city or whatever he's about to do.

I can agree with that, Earle.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Crane gasses Rachel and he says it's a "concentrated dose. The mind can only take so much." Later Batman gives Crane the same gas but somehow the effects were quite different.

Because it wasnt a concentrated dose like the one Rachel got.

I agree with you about Ras being the mind behind the plan. But still one would say they were doing enough to make Scarecrow a worthy villiain.

It was amazing that Nolan went through Bruce's past so analytically and yet it never got boring (unlike Ironman's which put me to sleep) and then he had time to give us two villains, detective work (people still whine about it but let me remind them that batman gave Rachel and her boss everything they needed to put falcone behind bars. Cargo manifests, photos, leverage on Faden, etc), a batmobile chase, etc.

To a certain extent. I was amazed at how an actor could still think that being effeminate and opening your eyes could equal being scary.

What can i tell you? I love his performance. He was just as scary to me without the mask.

 

[The Caped Knight]

A cameo of him in his cell at Arkham would be perfect.

My thoughts exactly .

 

[El Payaso]

Because it wasnt a concentrated dose like the one Rachel got.

Yes it was. Same gas, same sleeve, a few minutes later.

It was amazing that Nolan went through Bruce's past so analytically and yet it never got boring (unlike Ironman's which put me to sleep) and then he had time to give us two villains, detective work (people still whine about it but let me remind them that batman gave Rachel and her boss everything they needed to put falcone behind bars. Cargo manifests, photos, leverage on Faden, etc), a batmobile chase, etc.

And yet it was as simple as NOT having the villiain defeated by a girl and screaming like a girl.

What can i tell you? I love his performance. He was just as scary to me without the mask.

Then it's fine. I can't find one single moment when he's truly scary. At most he's a smug, arrogant and effeminate. Wide open eyes won't do the trick at this point. And when you've seen Ledger being actually scary without blinking...

I wish i could have seen the ugly resentful man he is in the comics.

 

[The Joker]

Cillian doesn't need to keep his fingers crossed. After TDK made over a billion dollars, a sequal is as certain as death and taxes.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes it was. Same gas, same sleeve, a few minutes later.

First of all its a movie. Second, perhaps there is a way to set the amount of gas you want to use, so maybe Crane set it to 10/10 just for that one shot, when Batman only used the standard dose.

Then it's fine. I can't find one single moment when he's truly scary. At most he's a smug, arrogant and effeminate. Wide open eyes won't do the trick at this point. And when you've seen Ledger being actually scary without blinking...

How about his constant lip licking every 5 seconds? I thought that was very hack and lame.

Cillian doesn't need to keep his fingers crossed. After TDK made over a billion dollars, a sequal is as certain as death and taxes.

But he probably wont be in it. It would be overkill if Scarecrow is in that one as well. I'd expect Batman to go:"Dude, you again? Give me a ****ing break will ya?"

 

[returntovoid]

detective work (people still whine about it but let me remind them that batman gave Rachel and her boss everything they needed to put falcone behind bars. Cargo manifests, photos, leverage on Faden, etc)

That was great detective work, better than what he did in TDK.

 

[The Joker]

But he probably wont be in it. It would be overkill if Scarecrow is in that one as well. I'd expect Batman to go:"Dude, you again? Give me a ****ing break will ya?"

No, he probably won't be in it, and I can't say I'm bothered. Scarecrow is by far the least impressive villain so far, right next to Falcone, who was nothing like the elegant italian crime boss of the comics.

That was great detective work, better than what he did in TDK.

Not really. We were never shown how Batman got all that stuff. He just popped up in a scene and handed a file full of incriminating stuff to Rachel.

At least in TDK we were shown or told how he figured out stuff, like Lau's connection to the mob, or how he tracked down the Joker by rigging up Fox's sonar devices etc.