Civil War: How the hell is Iron man the bad guy???

[The Question]

I truly don't believe most prisoners will ever change.

Given enough incentive, anyone can change.

I know about one in fiifty will, but to me, that's not good enough. Nothing anyone can say can justify rape, no matter how ''sorry'' the rapist might be. If they were truly sorry, they would accept real punishment. Like that Tookie guy , the gang guy who found god on death row (funny how that happens) and then appealed his death sentence. Ironically, he heard no appeals from those he sent to kill for him. If he was truly sorry, he would have accepted his consequences for his actions instead of trying to weasel out of it.

I'm sorry, but that's a fairly flawed arguement. People like living. It's simple human nature. A person can truely be sorry and still not want to die. Especially if they want to actually try and make up for what they did by contributing something to society, instead of simply ending their lives. And that's not trying to justify what they did. Not in the slightest. It's trying to do something for the society that they harmed because they feel true remorse. And that in my mind is much better than simply killing them.

 

[Vanguard07]

Heh people who believe that violence is never the answer have very poor pattern recognition skills.

Look at nature. Violence in one way or another is virtually ALWAYS the answer. If something is threatening you or your way of life, destroy it. Its a natural and just response.
Criminals are a threat to society, as such they should be destroyed.

Even many of the religions of the world recognise this. While I dont agree much with the bible the example
"If your right hand offends you cut it off" comes to mind.

If you're not willing to kill thats fine. Let others do it for you. If you arent willing to let others kill then you're doomed.
The rest of the world isnt nearly so foolish and it'll take advantage of that softness.

Violence doesnt beget violence. Life begets violence. It's necessary.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's called Punishment. You know, someone ends a life, they are punished for it. It means one less ****head in the world, who paid for what he did (and I don't mean with free gym membership and videogames as well as meals and a roof over his head). It's not about preventing crime, you just cant do that.

My my my. The world you live in must be so dismal and you've most obviously viewed the world round and taken many things into thought before coming out with this one, that it's blatantly obvious you view not the world at all but a small section through garbage colored glasses.

I'd say feel ashamed, but it's a norm for the vast majority.

 

[The Question]

Heh people who believe that violence is never the answer have very poor pattern recognition skills.

I never said that violence is never the answer. Simply that violence should never be the first answer.

Look at nature. Violence in one way or another is virtually ALWAYS the answer. If something is threatening you or your way of life, destroy it. Its a natural and just response.
Criminals are a threat to society, as such they should be destroyed.

Why? We are capable of keeping society safe from criminals without killing them. As such, why should we kill them?

Even many of the religions of the world recognise this.

Now that's a sweeping generalization. There are many religious men who are pacifists.

While I dont agree much with the bible the example
"If your right hand offends you cut it off" comes to mind.

Quoting a passage of the bible that has been bedated and continues to be debated in regards to what it even means for centuries is generally not a very good arguing strategy. Many people, for example, argue that that passage refers to self improvement, not punishment for others.

If you're not willing to kill thats fine. Let others do it for you. If you arent willing to let others kill then you're doomed.
The rest of the world isnt nearly so foolish and it'll take advantage of that softness.

Listen, I've never said anything about killing in self defense. If you've got no other options but to kill someone, then, well, you've got no other options. But nothiong you've said is a convincing arguement in favor of killing people when it's not absolutely necessairy.

Violence doesnt beget violence. Life begets violence. It's necessary.

How? Let's say you can keep the public safe from a criminal without killing him. How is it necessairy then?

 

[Horrorfan]

Honestly, if I was a criminal, I would love people like Mistress, Brian and The Question....I really would. I would take advantage of you so easily, your bleeding hearts....

with me, it's pretty much impossible to feel sympathy for cold blooded murderers who kill for no reason at all or rapists. with you guys, all it would seem to take is a few im sorrys and I would be out free to do it all again.

Look at China. The country is massive, but the crime rate is lower because they don't take **** from criminals. Here in the west, our spines ha ve turned to jelly and our crime rates are through the roof.

Seriously, if I ever do become a criminal, it will make me glad to have people like you guys out there. I don't say that in a mean way, but damn, it would be easy to exploit and pray on you.

 

[Kitsune]

Honestly, if I was a criminal, I would love people like Mistress, Brian and The Question....I really would. I would take advantage of you so easily, your bleeding hearts....

with me, it's pretty much impossible to feel sympathy for cold blooded murderers who kill for no reason at all or rapists. with you guys, all it would seem to take is a few im sorrys and I would be out free to do it all again.

Look at China. The country is massive, but the crime rate is lower because they don't take **** from criminals. Here in the west, our spines ha ve turned to jelly and our crime rates are through the roof.

Seriously, if I ever do become a criminal, it will make me glad to have people like you guys out there. I don't say that in a mean way, but damn, it would be easy to exploit and pray on you.

Maybe you should move to China then. I'm sure you'd love living in a country that has one of the worst civil rights records. Sure it's fine when you aren't the one being thrown in jail for your religion, beliefs, or just for speaking your mind, but I don't think any of us on this forum are good at keeping our mouths shut. I find it hard to believe that you are really that short sighted.

 

[Horrorfan]

Maybe you should move to China then. I'm sure you'd love living in a country that has one of the worst civil rights records. Sure it's fine when you aren't the one being thrown in jail for your religion, beliefs, or just for speaking your mind, but I don't think any of us on this forum are good at keeping our mouths shut. I find it hard to believe that you are really that short sighted.

I have no problems with the chinese government, I don't really have a religion and I could care less about civil rights of prisoners. Right now, Hong Kong and Shanghi are probably the most advanced cities in the world and china's power is growing, so for all the haters out there, that doesn't change that fact. I would love to go to china, actually. I hope to go there and see what it's like in the near future.

 

[Kitsune]

It's all fine and good when it's happening to someone else, but in China they throw people who just disagree with the government in jail. Heck you can get thrown in jail for mistaken identity. Sure you can say "This never applies to me because I'm not a criminal" but there are plenty of examples of people who weren't criminals being mistaken for criminals or being accused of things they didn't do. If we did things your way, it would be a return to the days of the Salem Witch Trials. You are myopia on this subjects boarders on blindness.

 

[Horrorfan]

It's all fine and good when it's happening to someone else, but in China they throw people who just disagree with the government in jail. Heck you can get thrown in jail for mistaken identity. Sure you can say "This never applies to me because I'm not a criminal" but there are plenty of examples of people who weren't criminals being mistaken for criminals or being accused of things they didn't do. If we did things your way, it would be a return to the days of the Salem Witch Trials. You are myopia on this subjects boarders on blindness.

I don't have any objections to the government there. Y ou could say people are thrown in jail in the west for things they didnt do too. Honestly, until it's me, it's not really my problem. Have you ever been to china btw?

 

[Anubis]

Horrorfan is the Hypes resident fascist.

 

[Kitsune]

I don't have any objections to the government there. Y ou could say people are thrown in jail in the west for things they didnt do too. Honestly, until it's me, it's not really my problem. Have you ever been to china btw?

Nope, but that doesn't mean much, being a tourist doesn't give you the experience of a dissident. The point I'm trying to make is that "Laws must protect the worst of us in order to protect the best of us"

 

[Horrorfan]

Horrorfan is the Hypes resident fascist.

Proud of it. Vlad the Impaler was a pretty awesome ruler. He had zero tolerance for crime and seemed to care about his people too. I believe that if a leader has his people's best interest at heart, then he is a good leader.

A dictatorship could work if the leader truly cared about his people. I mean look at Dr Doom...I know it's clearly fiction but he makes the land into a utopia whenever he's in charge. Or the society in starship troopers seemed pretty perfect.

Most people are just too selfish, idiotic and downright naive, and need guiding from those of us who are stronger than that and know what's best for you all. I believe that. I wouldn't want to see you or people like question harmed because of naievety of weakness, but that would involve a degree of control. I would actually be a pretty awesome dictator...and would shoot anyone who disagreed :P (joke because you probably cant tell from how this sounded lol).

 

[The Leaguer]

The best part of Civil War ending was supposed to be that there would be no more stupid Civil War-related threads.

 

[Kitsune]

The best part of Civil War ending was supposed to be that there would be no more stupid Civil War-related threads.

That will happen about the same time we stop getting "Hall Jordan sucks" threads...

 

[Darthphere]

I don't have any objections to the government there. Y ou could say people are thrown in jail in the west for things they didnt do too. Honestly, until it's me, it's not really my problem. Have you ever been to china btw?

You know in China, you wouldn't even have an internet connection to spout all your garbage right?

 

[Vanguard07]

Nope, but that doesn't mean much, being a tourist doesn't give you the experience of a dissident. The point I'm trying to make is that "Laws must protect the worst of us in order to protect the best of us"

I think thats the biggest pile of bull i've heard in a long while.
Protecting "the worst of us" is outright ******ed. It'd be VASTLY more intelligent to cut away the worst of us.

You dont embrace cancerous cells you f***ing kill them so that the rest of the body can survive.

And going back a bit:
You can make society safe from criminals without killing them how? by draining society's resources by providing those criminals with food, clothing, shelter, warmth, entertainment? They arent productive members of society, they're criminals. Why should society bother providing for them?

True prison isnt a pleasant experience and most people dont wanna go back there but that is mostly due to it being full of scumbags who's only role in life is to cause harm. It's ******ed and counterproductive. The people who make prison such a terrible place shouldnt be allowed to live in the first place.

I say you take all the rapists, the murderers, habitually violent offenders and the psychopaths and you harvest their organs for medicine and burn the rest for fuel.

The worst thing about humanity is, somewhere along the line we got stupid enough to try and fight natural selection. We forgot how important it was in the long run. If we were smart, we'd do only what benefits us as a species. Forgiving trash and letting it continue to plague us holds absolutely no benefit.

 

[Horrorfan]

You know in China, you wouldn't even have an internet connection to spout all your garbage right?

LOL Strong ignorance.

I guess it's a mystery how online gaming must work there then considering what a big deal it is there...maybe it's communist black magict:

 

[Darthphere]

LOL Strong ignorance.

I guess it's a mystery how online gaming must work there then considering what a big deal it is there...maybe it's communist black magict:

Online gaming and free speech on a messageboard are two different things. Ignorance is bliss right Horrorfan.

 

[3dman27]

and at this point i withdraw from this thread

 

[Horrorfan]

Online gaming and free speech on a messageboard are two different things. Ignorance is bliss right Horrorfan.

From a lot of what I read, some people don't really do much with free speech anyway except complain.....

 

[Darthphere]

From a lot of what I read, some people don't really do much with free speech anyway except complain.....

So?

 

[Kitsune]

You know in China, you wouldn't even have an internet connection to spout all your garbage right?

You'd have it, but Big Brother would be watching you.

 

[Darthphere]

You'd have it, but Big Brother would be watching you.

Big brother is always watching what I do. Especially when I'm watching porn.

 

[Blaktin America]

Complaining isn't the problem. It's the people that brush off and turn a deaf ear to other's concerns that suck. If you had an issue Horrorfan would it be cool to dismiss it as "complaining" w/o listening to what you were saying?

Complaining starts revolutions man. And I'm sure it created the push-up bra. I'm on board.

 

[Horrorfan]

Complaining isn't the problem. It's the people that brush off and turn a deaf ear to other's concerns that suck. If you had an issue Horrorfan would it be cool to dismiss it as "complaining" w/o listening to what you were saying?

Complaining starts revolutions man. And I'm sure it created the push-up bra. I'm on board.

Depends on if the complaints are justified or not.