Civil War: Whos side are you on?

[SpideyInATree]

Why is everyone acting like Tony Stark has done anything wrong in Civil War. I mean what has he really done that is wrong? The way I see it, he has done nothing wrong. I mean if following the law and encouraging others to do so is a sin then you might as well point your finger at ever law abiding citizen. It is not as if the registration act was his idea. He is just a man tring to do the best he can in a bad situation while tring to minimise the death and distruction that is sure to follow. He is just a realist that knows that things dont always turn out the way you wish or the way they are meant to be.

From what I have seen so far, he has nothing to feel sorry or apologise for, if you belive different then tell me what he has done that has got everyone so pissed off.

Spider-Man fans hate him because he's making Peter look like a "sidekick". Heh. I love that.

But if you've read the Illumnati special and read the past few months of the Amazing Spider-Man you'll see that Tony hasn't exactly been Mr. Wonderful, at least when it comes to Peter Parker. But Peter really has no idea yet...but we're guessing that he will. And when that happens Pete is gonna be pissed and it's going to be the "YES!" moment of the year in comics.

 

[supermarvelman]

I'm not pissed, I dont think he's done anything wrong, I just think he's acting more aggressive probabaly due to extremis.

 

[Darthphere]

Why is everyone acting like Tony Stark has done anything wrong in Civil War. I mean what has he really done that is wrong? The way I see it, he has done nothing wrong. I mean if following the law and encouraging others to do so is a sin then you might as well point your finger at ever law abiding citizen. It is not as if the registration act was his idea. He is just a man tring to do the best he can in a bad situation while tring to minimise the death and distruction that is sure to follow. He is just a realist that knows that things dont always turn out the way you wish or the way they are meant to be.

From what I have seen so far, he has nothing to feel sorry or apologise for, if you belive different then tell me what he has done that has got everyone so pissed off.

So in other words. Tony Stark isnt wrong.


Technically, Tony hasnt done anything wrong...yet. He just seems really shady with this whole thing, very manipulative, and hes pretty much going along with the capturing and if what reed showed us was right the imprisonment of superheros who he has been friends an allies with.

 

[supermarvelman]

Good point, noy wrong just shady. A little more shady than usual.

 

[Trask]

Spider-Man fans hate him because he's making Peter look like a "sidekick". Heh. I love that.

But if you've read the Illumnati special and read the past few months of the Amazing Spider-Man you'll see that Tony hasn't exactly been Mr. Wonderful, at least when it comes to Peter Parker. But Peter really has no idea yet...but we're guessing that he will. And when that happens Pete is gonna be pissed and it's going to be the "YES!" moment of the year in comics.

The only time he has been underhanded or lied to Spiderman was with the whole incident in Washington, besides that Tony has been truthful and honest with Peter. As for what happened in the Illumnati, it was not only Tony that was invovled, and the only thing they did that was questionable is sending the Hulk to space (for which I am sure there are a lot of people that will be thankful).

So in other words. Tony Stark isnt wrong.


Technically, Tony hasnt done anything wrong...yet. He just seems really shady with this whole thing, very manipulative, and hes pretty much going along with the capturing and if what reed showed us was right the imprisonment of superheros who he has been friends an allies with.

Well if you are pro-registration it basically means you are for the capturing and imprisonment of superheros. So how does that make him any different than the rest of the heroes that are pro-registration. I mean I dont see a lot of people bashing Reed or She-Hulk or any of the other heroes that are going with the program. They are all just obaying the law, and if you read ASM you would see that Tony has done everything in his power to have the act thrown or delayed before the whole Nitro disaster.

 

[SpideyInATree]

The only time he has been underhanded or lied to Spiderman was with the whole incident in Washington, besides that Tony has been truthful and honest with Peter. As for what happened in the Illumnati, it was not only Tony that was invovled, and the only thing they did that was questionable is sending the Hulk to space (for which I am sure there are a lot of people that will be thankful).

Hey, I understand that, heh. I'm one of the people who enjoys what is happening. But many of the Spider-Man fans dislike Stark because THEY say it makes Peter look like a "sidekick".

But, see, nobody wants to actually READ anymore. They'd just rather keep judging on what they WANT to see from the story. And instead of seeing a Peter Parker who's become an important member of a superhero team trying to reach out for some new friends...they just want to see how Tony treats Peter like "He's beneath him".

I guess everyone forgets that Peter lost his parents and his Uncle Ben at very young ages in his life. That while Uncle Ben served as his father figure, he lost that at the age of 15. And in the latest issue of the Amazing Spider-Man Peter basically laid down the relationship, how HE views it, with Stark.

Sidekick? Eh. If you're the Spider-Man fan who's been pissed off venomously since Sins Past and wants the blood of two humans, JMS and Quesada, who give two craps less about you....yeah, sidekick would sound about right.

But Pete was reaching for friendship and some fatherly guidance, especially from a man who Peter, recently, has come to respect a great deal. But, once again, nobody likes to read. Just judge.

 

[supermarvelman]

A lot of people have questioned Reed

Reed and Stark have been the two that most people have questioned, what about the others like She-Hulk or Ms marvel.

 

[supermarvelman]

when did Patriot become so durable?

 

[Darthphere]

A lot of people have questioned Reed

Reed and Stark have been the two that most people have questioned, what about the others like She-Hulk or Ms marvel.

Well She-Hulk is for it, but Jen Walters is against it, wierd huh? and Ms. Marvel works for the government already.

 

[Darthphere]

when did Patriot become so durable?

Read Young Avengers #12 on sale this month.

 

[Trask]

Hey, I understand that, heh. I'm one of the people who enjoys what is happening. But many of the Spider-Man fans dislike Stark because THEY say it makes Peter look like a "sidekick".

But, see, nobody wants to actually READ anymore. They'd just rather keep judging on what they WANT to see from the story. And instead of seeing a Peter Parker who's become an important member of a superhero team trying to reach out for some new friends...they just want to see how Tony treats Peter like "He's beneath him".

I guess everyone forgets that Peter lost his parents and his Uncle Ben at very young ages in his life. That while Uncle Ben served as his father figure, he lost that at the age of 15. And in the latest issue of the Amazing Spider-Man Peter basically laid down the relationship, how HE views it, with Stark.

Sidekick? Eh. If you're the Spider-Man fan who's been pissed off venomously since Sins Past and wants the blood of two humans, JMS and Quesada, who give two craps less about you....yeah, sidekick would sound about right.

But Pete was reaching for friendship and some fatherly guidance, especially from a man who Peter, recently, has come to respect a great deal. But, once again, nobody likes to read. Just judge.

I was not repling to your "sidekick" comment, I gave up on that argument a while ago since people who think Peter has become Starks sidekick are unwilling to see it any other way. I know most of the people that hate Iron man and blame him for everything wrong in the Marvel universe since the dawn of time do so because of their perception of Peter's and Stark's relationship.

I just want people to stop and think of what Stark has done that is "wrong" that he is viewed as the "bad guy" in the whole Civil war and that will require some kind of plan to make him "good" again at the end of it all.

A lot of people have questioned Reed

Reed and Stark have been the two that most people have questioned, what about the others like She-Hulk or Ms marvel.

I have not seen a lot of people questioning Reed. There are some, but not to the level or intencity of Stark.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I was not repling to your "sidekick" comment, I gave up on that argument a while ago since people who think Peter has become Starks sidekick are unwilling to see it any other way. I know most of the people that hate Iron man and blame him for everything wrong in the Marvel universe since the dawn of time do so because of their perception of Peter's and Stark's relationship.

I just want people to stop and think of what Stark has done that is "wrong" that he is viewed as the "bad guy" in the whole Civil war and that will require some kind of plan to make him "good" again at the end of it all.



I have not seen a lot of people questioning Reed. There are some, but not to the level or intencity of Stark.

Heh, I know. I was just further adding to your point. No, Stark isn't a bad guy. But he isn't COMPLETELY innocent, and mostly because of the deception toward Peter.

 

[supermarvelman]

Read Young Avengers #12 on sale this month.

Did it already come out?

 

[supermarvelman]

Someone can be in the army but not agree with Bush's point of views.

 

[Darthphere]

Did it already come out?

Nope, also read the upcoming Young Avengers/Runaways mini.

 

[supermarvelman]

Originally posted by Trask
[/quote]I have not seen a lot of people questioning Reed. There are some, but not to the level or intencity of Stark.[/quote]

Well I have seen a lot of people on these boards questioning Reed, so whatever.

 

[Trask]

Heh, I know. I was just further adding to your point. No, Stark isn't a bad guy. But he isn't COMPLETELY innocent, and mostly because of the deception toward Peter.

No one is COMPLETELY innocent, not even Peter.

Someone can be in the army but not agree with Bush's point of views.

And they have every right not to agree with Bush's point of view, but if they disobay his orders they will be sent to Jail.

Well I have seen a lot of people on these boards questioning Reed, so whatever.

Well it could be just me then.

 

[supermarvelman]

Thats your choice for being in the army, just like it's super-humans choice to be a hero. If there so worried about there family and they have super-powers either register and be a hero or register, hang up your boots and your family is safe or dont register leave your loved ones and be a vigilante.
Like I said they dont have to come out publicly so what the big deal about registering there powers and identities. If a black belt has to register himself because he is a deadly weapon, why should somebody who has a healing factor, adamantium claws, and is probably a black belt in ninjitsu(Wolverine) not have to register with the government.

 

[Dread]

Thats your choice for being in the army, just like it's super-humans choice to be a hero. If there so worried about there family and they have super-powers either register and be a hero or register, hang up your boots and your family is safe or dont register leave your loved ones and be a vigilante.
Like I said they dont have to come out publicly so what the big deal about registering there powers and identities. If a black belt has to register himself because he is a deadly weapon, why should somebody who has a healing factor, adamantium claws, and is probably a black belt in ninjitsu(Wolverine) not have to register with the government.

Great point! Just a shame that Marvel is blurring their own point with CW by seeming to believe "registering with the gov't" and "revealing your ID to the public at large" is the same thing. Its not.

Registering with the gov't as a professional fighter is not the same as every man, woman, and child in your state knowing your name, address, and the fact that you're a martial artist.

 

[gildea]

Great point! Just a shame that Marvel is blurring their own point with CW by seeming to believe "registering with the gov't" and "revealing your ID to the public at large" is the same thing. Its not.

Registering with the gov't as a professional fighter is not the same as every man, woman, and child in your state knowing your name, address, and the fact that you're a martial artist.

Tom breevort was quoted in an interview highlighting that you don't need to go public so marvel are well aware that they aren't the same thing.

Spidey went public cos in ASM tony asked him to and his family agreed it was the right decision, but they are aware he didn't need to.

 

[citizenpain]

i can't believe people are complaining about civil war involving the government and all that. comics have always reflected real life even though they're mostly fiction, but that's what makes them so appealing. hell, the x-men represent any minority in the real world, and world issues have always been the topic of many comics either directly or as some sort of a methaphor. right now in the U.S there's a lot of focus on government and a lot of people are torn on the issue of the iraq war. why shouldn't marvel's civil war reflect the real world? it makes the marvel universe into something a little bit more realistic. part of the reason i've always preferred marvel over dc.

 

[3dman27]

if jenifer walters and the she hulk are the same person how can she have TWO OPPOSING OPINIONS on the shra? [which btw i'd bet is ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL by marvels courts by the first of next year]

 

[rigel7soldiers]

One thing I love about Civil War is the Cap/Iron Man thing. Tony and Steve have been smacking each other around for years, and it's cool to see how it all boils over.

During the Armor Wars, Iron Man knocked Cap out so he could steal from Guardsmen at the Vault, eventually accidentally setting the prisoners free. When Tony hit rock bottom, Cap was there for him, to punch him in the face for letting himself go like he did. Iron Man feels he has more sway in Avengers business because he's a founder, but has skipped out on several key missions, including a conflict with Count Nefaria wherein ol' Luciano layed the smack down on the entire team. Cap wanted the Supreme Intelligence to stand Trial, Tony felt it should die, ad etceterum. It really adds a personal element to the War thing.

There should be a Cap/Iron Man: He Started It! one shot, or something.

 

[3dman27]

One thing I love about Civil War is the Cap/Iron Man thing. Tony and Steve have been smacking each other around for years, and it's cool to see how it all boils over.

During the Armor Wars, Iron Man knocked Cap out so he could steal from Guardsmen at the Vault, eventually accidentally setting the prisoners free. When Tony hit rock bottom, Cap was there for him, to punch him in the face for letting himself go like he did. Iron Man feels he has more sway in Avengers business because he's a founder, but has skipped out on several key missions, including a conflict with Count Nefaria wherein ol' Luciano layed the smack down on the entire team. Cap wanted the Supreme Intelligence to stand Trial, Tony felt it should die, ad etceterum. It really adds a personal element to the War thing.

There should be a Cap/Iron Man: He Started It! one shot, or something.

speaking of the guardsmen are THEY the ones who become a virtual army of iron men" via an upgrade from guardsman to iron man/war machine armor?

 

[supermarvelman]

I'm bet Shang Chi and Iron Fist are already registered for there martial arts.