Compare "Ultimate Universe" to "Marvel 616"

[Son_of_W]

For those of you like me, caught between the Ultimate Universe and it's modern potential (although that's sometimes squandered) and Earth 616 classic outlook (which is getting ridiculous since characters never age, and EVERYONE is overpowered), I'd like to Introduce this comparison thread. What's wrong with ultimate and what's wrong with 616? what's good about both. Let's hear everybody pour there hearts out about what they hate and love about it all.

 

[Son_of_W]

What's wrong with The Ultimate Universe? Ultimate Fantastic Four. I kid you not, I hate this series with a passion. The original purpose of U. Marvel was to get away from ridiculous storylines and modernize the stories, and they blow it. UFF blew it like a nuclear bomb. From taking death rays for manufacturing from an alternate universe, to marvel zombies saying that U. Thing is stronger then 616 Hulk (impossible considering the fact that regular Hulk lifts well over a 100 tons, and U. Thing can only left up to about 20 tons or something). Let's not forget the constant cameos of the Ultimates that completely interfere with the storylines of the ultimate universe? Like if Nick fury can manufacture death rays, why is the united states military still trying to make super soldiers. Why aren't the amazing discoveries made every second page of UFF, why isn't the world a better place? Where the hell does a superhuman like Namor go after almost taking down a city? I HATE UFF!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What's wrong with The Ultimate Universe? Ultimate Fantastic Four. I kid you not, I hate this series with a passion. The original purpose of U. Marvel was to get away from ridiculous storylines and modernize the stories, and they blow it. UFF blew it like a nuclear bomb. From taking death rays for manufacturing from an alternate universe, to marvel zombies saying that U. Thing is stronger then 616 Hulk (impossible considering the fact that regular Hulk lifts well over a 100 tons, and U. Thing can only left up to about 20 tons or something). Let's not forget the constant cameos of the Ultimates that completely interfere with the storylines of the ultimate universe? Like if Nick fury can manufacture death rays, why is the united states military still trying to make super soldiers. Why aren't the amazing discoveries made every second page of UFF, why isn't the world a better place? Where the hell does a superhuman like Namor go after almost taking down a city? I HATE UFF!

He is 617 Hulk, and is a Zombie. So we don't know whether he compares to 616 Hulk. We do know the costumes are the same but there is no Captain America (he is Corporal America) and there doesn't appear to have been a Phoenix. Certain zombified characters have powers which would have prevented them from turning...etc.

It is not 616 though.

 

[Son_of_W]

Alright :P, but the rest of what I said still stands. And either way, Marvel Zombies was a disappointing storyline, and would be even if they'd gone in form the 616 universe where crazy crap goes down all the time.

 

[Darthphere]

This thread will not end well.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Alright :P, but the rest of what I said still stands. And either way, Marvel Zombies was a disappointing storyline, and would be even if they'd gone in form the 616 universe where crazy crap goes down all the time.

I don't like smart talking zombies that can move like normal humans...they bug me. So I was not impressed either. But considering Romero-esque zombies would have made them even less of a threat...you may not be fond of that angle either.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What's wrong with The Ultimate Universe? Ultimate Fantastic Four. I kid you not, I hate this series with a passion. The original purpose of U. Marvel was to get away from ridiculous storylines and modernize the stories, and they blow it.

The original purpose was not that. It was to make a Universe that was applicable and approachable for new readers, and later to make a Universe that better reflected the movies and other media projects they pursued.

It is certainly not made with the intention of becoming a huge hit with diehard Marvel Zombies. The fact that they buy them though, is icing on the cake.

 

[Son_of_W]

It's not just the zombies that bug me. I mean THEY really bug me, but I hated the president Thor arc as well, that seemed just stupid. The twist on Namor was pretty cool, but i think a continuation in another comics series or special is in order...Can anyone else just not see Nick Fury letting namor fly away after nearly pulling a "The Day after Tomorrow"?

 

[Son_of_W]

You just enjoy shooting down what I say don't you?

 

[Eros]

Its simple the ultimate universe is basically ultra bloody, ultra dark, and the characters seem to lack any kind of morals. 616 is basically the less dark [up until civil war] more whimiscal universe, where the charaters have more morallity and kids look up to them. The 616 avengers are classic heroes, who beleive in fate, and trust each other no matter what.They are not some goverment team, they chose to help humanity becasue thats what heroes do. The Ultimates are heroes, but their all somewhat more "real" and most of them generally seem like souless ass holes. They are basically Geroge Bush's plan to stop terriosm in the middle East. The Ultimates are so violent and bloody they sometimes seem to be parodies of themselves.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

UMU was meant to be more science friendly, more down to earth, approachable, and movie related. Nothing they've really done has been horrible. In fact, a lot of it is good, and not so outlandish as 616 Marvel has done in the past.


And Namor just annihilated the Fantastic Four, almost crushed a city under water, and was willing to go away with a kiss. I doubt Fury wanted to kill a few cities to prove a point.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It's not just the zombies that bug me. I mean THEY really bug me, but I hated the president Thor arc as well, that seemed just stupid. The twist on Namor was pretty cool, but i think a continuation in another comics series or special is in order...Can anyone else just not see Nick Fury letting namor fly away after nearly pulling a "The Day after Tomorrow"?

Sounds like you have a problem with the writing moreso than the Universe itself. A lot of people find Ultimate X-Men boring now, despite loving the initial arcs by Mark Millar.

However on the flip side 616 has it's fair share (to put that ever so lightly) of "WTF" moments. What you said right there is analogous to many events, such as "no one bothering to despose Dr Doom as dictator" for many years despite his numerous attempts to kill heroes and destroy the world. Or Reed letting Galactus live. Or killing off both Reed and Doom and replacing them with Kristoff and Ant Man on the FF for a while. Or even worse, having Onslaught eradicate everything that wasn't named X-Men or Spider-Man. So 616 is far from perfect...or even close to in some cases. Ultimate isn't going to be substantially different in this regard.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Its simple the ultimate universe is basically ultra bloody, ultra dark, and the characters seem to lack any kind of morals. 616 is basically the less dark [up until civil war] more whimiscal universe, where the charaters have more morallity and kids look up to them.

You've been under a rock for 40 years haven't you . They stopped doing that shiet in the 1960s.

 

[Eros]

You've been under a rock for 40 years haven't you . They stopped doing that shiet in the 1960s.

i guess i worded that wrong, i meant 616 characters in essense are less violent then their ulitmate counterparts. the world of the ultimates is to depressing, and almost seem to be parodies of themselves.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

i guess i worded that wrong, i meant 616 characters in essense are less violent then their ulitmate counterparts. the world of the ultimates is to depressing, and almost seem to be parodies of themselves.

That part seems to have some truth to it.

 

[Son_of_W]

Nick Fury helped beat Gah Lak Tus, and threatened to dethrone god in front of Captain America, probably the most conservative, Christian left on earth in that universe, not to mention the fact the he "benchpresses a Toyoto" (quote fury). Nick fury also has no problems killing people, whether he likes them or not, for a greater good. If he wanted Namor, not to prove a point, but because Namor is threat or a possible asset, he would have him.

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying that 616 isn't without it's faults. God knows that before Civil War, they were making less entertaining but far more controversial changes to the universe. I mean, who else thought the fact that like almost no important lost their powers in decimation. Magneto and Prof. X? Big deal, Magnus got his power back from the collective and Prof. X wasn't doing much anymore anyway.

Can anyone explain to me exactly how you clone Thor and then duplicate is god like powers?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

616 Fury was more than willing to kill too.

 

[Feature]

This thread will not end well.

lol Good call.
Maybe not the best way to begin your Hype career there, Son of W.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, I wouldn't worry. Even the worst have recovered. You have to start someway, I know I started out as a crass person.

 

[Eros]

616 Fury was more than willing to kill too.

616 fury isn't modeled after a movie actor , and was always more james Bond [especially in the 60s series] then badass/ no nonsense/super patrotic military puppet that is ulimate fury. Even though i like both versions, i seemingly hate ultimate Fury more often then like him.

 

[Darthphere]

Son of W has potential, he needs training in the Dark Arts of Posting.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Agreed.^ Nobody starts off great.

I mean, look at Darthphere, he's still almost getting the hang of it.

 

[Son_of_W]

No, I don't have the personality to deal with people in this kind of situation (ie. one where I get to express my opinion and then argue it until mine or someone else's brain implodes. or explodes, whatever spins you wheels).

I'm not arguing that 616 fury doesn't not like to kill people to, I never liked him that much so i'm [not] very famaliar, you can tell me anything I'll probably beleive you. But my point there was, that just because Namor left NYC alone for a kiss, didn't mean Fury wasn't gonna' be tracking him down with every synapse in his body ready to utter the words "permission to traumatize Banner" when they found our favorite fishy friend.

 

[Son_of_W]

I'll take those as compliments.

 

[Eros]

No, I don't have the personality to deal with people in this kind of situation (ie. one where I get to express my opinion and then argue it until mine or someone else's brain implodes. or explodes, whatever spins you wheels).

I'm not arguing that 616 fury doesn't not like to kill people to, I never liked him that much so i'm very famaliar, you can tell me anything I'll probably beleive you. But my point there was, that just because Namor left NYC alone for a kiss, didn't mean Fury wasn't gonna' be tracking him down with every synapse in his body ready to utter the words "permission to traumatize Banner" when they found our favorite fishy friend.

Ultimate Fury was to busy envading countries to worry about Namor.