Conan

[nephron]

then you assume wrong...I just put that there as a general derogatory term, but you've filled in the blanks quite nicely so I know where you stand now...thanks

and yes, Ive been aware of Momoas heritage since his time on SG: Atlantis

"A general derogatory term"?

Cut the coy cr@p. You meant ****** and we all know it. But now you act like you were running some kind of Rorschach Test to "know where you stand". Spare me. You're being dishonest & more than a little snotty.

The only thing anyone is saying is that perhaps an actor ought to physically resemble the character being portrayed. When the character is someone like Robin Hood, the Black Panther, or Conan, part of the actor's appearance is what they look like ethnically.

Why is that so bad?

Robin Hood is an Anglo-Saxon. Therefore the actor playing Robin Hood should look Anglo Saxon. Conan's a Cimmerian (ie, Gaelic. ie white), therefore the actor playing him should be white. Not Hawaain-looking. Explain to me what's so racist about that.

Thus far only ONE person has answered the question. I doubt you'll answer it, but I'll ask it again:

Black Panther is a fictional character, a member of a fictional people, and king of a fictional country. Would it make any sense if someone who wasn't a black guy was cast as the Black Panther?

 

[BlackLantern]

I have put it aside, as evidenced by my support for Momoa in the role, maybe you should take your own advice

I'll just sit here in the back of the bus and be quiet, Im sure that would make you feel better

 

[Heretic]

I'm not a Conan fan per se, and will take this movie as Random The Barbarian. However, it does seem that they are dismantling everything about the concept, and that isn't cool. I grew up LOVING GI Joe, and was so furious of the handling of the concept that I still haven't seen the movie (and never will).

 

[BlackLantern]

"A general derogatory term"?

Cut the coy cr@p. You meant ****** and we all know it. But now you act like you were running some kind of Rorschach Test to "know where you stand". Spare me. You're being dishonest & more than a little snotty.

The only thing anyone is saying is that perhaps an actor ought to physically resemble the character being portrayed. When the character is someone like Robin Hood, the Black Panther, or Conan, part of the actor's appearance is what they look like ethnically.

Why is that so bad?

Robin Hood is an Anglo-Saxon. Therefore the actor playing Robin Hood should look Anglo Saxon. Conan's a Cimmerian (ie, Gaelic. ie white), therefore the actor playing him should be white. Not Hawaain-looking. Explain to me what's so racist about that.

Thus far only ONE person has answered the question. I doubt you'll answer it, but I'll ask it again:

Black Panther is a fictional character, a member of a fictional people, and king of a fictional country. Would it make any sense if someone who wasn't a black guy was cast as the Black Panther?

that kind of language makes me sad I actually answered your question about Black Panther before

in short....would it make sense?? No...but would I be as incensed about it as some people are about this....not at alll

 

[Amra the Lion]

I have put it aside, as evidenced by my support for Momoa in the role, maybe you should take your own advice

I'll just sit here in the back of the bus and be quiet, Im sure that would make you feel better

Again, I am a fan of Momoa. And no, don't sit and be quiet about anything that you feel strongly enough about. Anything.

 

[C. Lee]

If you're not a fan of the original stories, then I guess none of those things bother you that much.

I am a fan of Howard's work though. I'd like to see a Conan movie, not "Ultimate Conan".

I see nowhere where I say I'm not a fan of Howard's work....as a matter of fact I mention that I believe I have read everything he has done. If you think I'm not a fan because I said I haven't re-read his works...well, I've been busy reading the complete works of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinline, Doc Savage, Louis L'Mour, Zane Grey, Max Brand, J.R.R. Tolkien......

In other words......I have spent my time reading a lot of things.

 

[RockSP]

except the hawiian thing, he is not pure hawiian and he looks pretty white in his newer pics some of them he could pass for scottish or irish at least to me he could.

Pretty much. The whole "he's not white/not white enough" thing is kinda weird to me...

 

[nephron]

I'm not a Conan fan per se, and will take this movie as Random The Barbarian.

Check out the stories, man. They're pretty good. For about $25 you can pick up "The Complete Chronicles of Conan", which is all the Conan stories in a single volume.

However, it does seem that they are dismantling everything about the concept, and that isn't cool.

That is precisley what they are doing. And you are right - it is not cool. At all.

I grew up LOVING GI Joe, and was so furious of the handling of the concept that I still haven't seen the movie (and never will).

I know how you feel. I've been a Conan fan for well over 20 years, and it doesn't look like I'm going to see anything resembling a faithful adaptation for a long, long time, if ever.

 

[C. Lee]

A reminder to everyone. We do not allow the N word to be posted here....and bypassing the censor to write it out is not allowed either.

Let's try to keep the discussion civil.

 

[BlackLantern]

you can make your own 'Conan' on YouTube

 

[nephron]

]I see nowhere where I say I'm not a fan of Howard's work.[/B]...as a matter of fact I mention that I believe I have read everything he has done. If you think I'm not a fan because I said I haven't re-read his works...well, I've been busy reading the complete works of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinline, Doc Savage, Louis L'Mour, Zane Grey, Max Brand, J.R.R. Tolkien......

In other words......I have spent my time reading a lot of things.

That wasn't directed at you, specifically. Rather, it was directed to those who haven't read or don't care about REH or his stuff.

 

[BlackLantern]

the reality is about 80-90 percent of people who've seen the films have ZERO idea that Conan is a literary character, myself included when I first saw Conan the Barbarian...I didn't know about Robert E. Howard until after I came across one of the Conan books in my local library when I was in my teens.... the GA is familiar with the films and nothing is going to change that

sorry

 

[Amra the Lion]

the GA is familiar with the films and nothing is going to change that

sorry

Fair enough. The general audience is familiar with Arnold as Conan in both movies. So, you go from big muscle movie guy to tall skinny tv guy. Really bad move in my opinion.

 

[Heretic]

I think that most people are aware that Conan is older than the Ahnuld movies. They may think he's a comic or pulp hero, or literary figure...but I think they know that the movies were based on something.

 

[BlackLantern]

Heretic, we agree on lots but I think you give the GA too much credit sometimes

 

[Heretic]

really?? I mean...who hasnt seen the old Conan artwork??? If nothing else I think most guys at least would assume that it came from old posters or something...geez, id hate to think that guys were that clueless.

 

[BlackLantern]

I first saw Conan the Barbarian when I was 10 and had ZERO clue it was based on a book or comic, even back then you had to look hard for Conan stuff

 

[Heretic]

I guess Im just ridiculously cultured and well-rounded. It's a curse.

 

[C. Lee]

I first saw Conan the Barbarian when I was 10 and had ZERO clue it was based on a book or comic, even back then you had to look hard for Conan stuff

In the late 60's there was a great rediscovery of the works of Howard....so I was introduced back then to him in all of the paperback reprints that were being made. I was reading the paperbacks when Marvel started making the comics....years before they made the movie.

 

[rogue trooper]

So, you go from big muscle movie guy to tall skinny tv guy. Really bad move in my opinion.

I actually expect Momoa to have the same type of build on him that Hugh Jackman had in X2 and X-Men:TLS. That would be a physique worthy of Barry Winsdor Smith's illustrations.

 

[Heretic]

Why are people saying that "you cant go from a movie star as Conan to a tv star as Conan"?

What blockbuster successes did Arnold have at the time he was cast as Conan? Maybe this role will make this new guy a star...

 

[C. Lee]

Arnold had done several low budget movies, and a few Tv shows and Tv movies before making Conan the Barbarian.

 

[Heretic]

So, he was not a big star that you cant replace...he became one afterward.

So, I have no issue with a little known guy being cast. I do have an issue if Conan is supposed to be white and ends up looking ethnic.

 

[rogue trooper]

Fair enough. There's clearly a division of those, like you, who think Momoa looks too ethnic, and those, like me, who think he looks caucasian enough.

The guy's been cast, like it or not. All that's left is to wait and see in a couple of months for official pictures and see what the result will be, and hope that you will have your mind changed, for your sake. If my expectations are not met, I'll be the first to admit.

 

[x-fan]

just a couple of no names from tv to movies that made it big, harrison ford, tom hanks christopher reeve, hugh jackman. probably many more, all got there big break somewhere. right?? I agree to late to call for a casting change he is the guy lets just hopr they can make him into conan. sadly it's all we can do.