Confused Matthew's "Spider-Man 3" Review

[KILLING JOKER]

Killing Joker if you hate Spiderman 3 so much, why do you replying in this kinds of threads?

Ok.....listen carefully now cause this is really complicated. This thread is about a bad review of Spider-man 3. Now, maybe only people who like Spider-man 3 (such as yourself) are supposed to post in these kinds of threads so you can DEFEND your favorite movie but I was under the impression that it was kinda for everyone to comment on. Hmmm.

In a perfect little world, you could only hear your opinion. tsk tsk tsk

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Ok.....listen carefully now cause this is really complicated. This thread is about a bad review of Spider-man 3. Now, maybe only people who like Spider-man 3 (such as yourself) are supposed to post in these kinds of threads so you can DEFEND your favorite movie but I was under the impression that it was kinda for everyone to comment on. Hmmm.

In a perfect little world, you could only hear your opinion. tsk tsk tsk

I'm not just talking about this thread, in every SM3 related thread you there to bash the movie up.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

I'm not just talking about this thread, in every SM3 related thread you there to bash the movie up.

I am currently in 2 Spider-man 3 related threads.

 

[bullets]

This guy nitpicks to death . The movie would of been better if harry was faking his amnesia though.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This guy overreacts to certain plot points. Yes, the guy points out some flaws and such the movie has, but these are not flaws we don't already know (though his thing about Spidey not stopping the crane is kind of right).

I still like this movie!!!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Confused Matthew made one of the best, indepth reviews of Spider-man 3 because it very clearly points out why the movie is horrible. As far as the angry video game nerds review, he should stick to reviewing old games because his defense of the movie sounds like a 12 yr old.

You can't defend garbage cause at the end of the day it's still garbage. People can defend SM3 till they are blue in the face. The bottom line is that it's KNOWN for being almost as horrible as Batman and Robin.

There's quality writing and storytelling just as there is trashy novels and crittically acclaimed novels. You're free to like whatever you like but at least be smart enough to admit that what you like is trash. SM3 falls into that category.

SM3 is known for a mixed reaction, and perhaps a SLIGHTLY negative one. Show me 1 place where this film has a B&R rep. Just one. I am challenging you. I can show you many critic scalings and sites that rate the film around 6.5 out of 10, low 60%'s in critics, etc. B&R's reps is FAR worse. Just because YOU didn't like it as much doesn't mean you can make generalizations to make your opinion right.

You can love or hate this movie as much as you want, and I can't argue how much you personally liked it. But, to say the film is seen by the general populace as being in the ballpark of B&R is not stating your personal opinion. That is injecting your opinion. When you make claims like this, be ready to back them up.

Please prove me wrong.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

SM3 is known for a mixed reaction, and perhaps a SLIGHTLY negative one. Show me 1 place where this film has a B&R rep. Just one. I am challenging you. I can show you many critic scalings and sites that rate the film around 6.5 out of 10, low 60%'s in critics, etc. B&R's reps is FAR worse. Just because YOU didn't like it as much doesn't mean you can make generalizations to make your opinion right.

You can love or hate this movie as much as you want, and I can't argue how much you personally liked it. But, to say the film is seen by the general populace as being in the ballpark of B&R is not stating your personal opinion. That is injecting your opinion. When you make claims like this, be ready to back them up.

Please prove me wrong.

Be ready to back them up? Well, yes sir. Thanks for the command there. Everyone I know hates Spider-man 3 and it is known as being an epic fail which is why threads like this and the "Was I the only one who liked SP3" exist. Why else would so many defenders, such as yourself, come out to defend a movie if it was liked more than hated.

It's hated for a reason and many of those reasons such as plot, lack of character development, laughable moments of cheese and horrible acting are the same reasons Batman and Robin is hated. So therefore, they are in the same ballpark. They are both very dissapointing and poorly made comic movies about very popular characters.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This film has flaws and we all know the criticism it gets, but it is nowhere NEAR B&R. B&R gets mentioned, people shudder. SM3 gets more a "meh" reaction. That's not the same ballpark. The same ballpark would for B&R is the elite of the bad, like Superman IV. SM3 is more in line with X3 and SR. Films with mixed to slightly negative reception.

I am not even saying this as a defender of the movie. I think SR sucks as much as B&R, but I don't go around saying SR is as hated or in the same ballpark as B&R. Cause my opinion doesn't make it so.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

This film has flaws and we all know the criticism it gets, but it is nowhere NEAR B&R. B&R gets mentioned, people shudder. SM3 gets more a "meh" reaction. That's not the same ballpark. The same ballpark would for B&R is the elite of the bad, like Superman IV. SM3 is more in line with X3 and SR. Films with mixed to slightly negative reception.

I am not even saying this as a defender of the movie. I think SR sucks as much as B&R, but I don't go around saying SR is as hated or in the same ballpark as B&R. Cause my opinion doesn't make it so.

Well saying that it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin doesen't make it fact either. It comes down to opinion. I mean how does one prove that a movie is nearly as horrible as another. I mean, there are Batman and Robin defenders out there too.

You can only go off of what you've seen with your own eyes and ears. You can tell me it's not fact but you sure can't prove to me it isn't it either. And saying it's in the same ballpark is not saying it's exactly as horrible but that it's one of those badly made comic book films that many people hate.

I mean trying to determine the exact level of suckage is really kind of ridiculous. Batman and Robin nearly ruined the Batman franchise and left fans very disenchanted. SM3 did the same.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

I mean trying to determine the exact level of suckage is really kind of ridiculous. Batman and Robin nearly ruined the Batman franchise and left fans very disenchanted. SM3 did the same.

Eh, Batman and Robin DESTROYED the franchise completely. But really, I don't think that Schumacher's movies continued after Burton's films. At least Spider-Man get's another movie because it's done by the exact same team as the other 3 movies. Batman and Robin was so bad they weren't allowed to do a sequel that would have been more like Burton's movies. I don't think Spider-Man 3 is as bad as Batman and Robin, really, I think Spider-Man 3 is at least better than Ang Lee's Hulk and X-Men 3. Batman and Robin wanted to be ridiculous, at least Spider-Man 3 was done in a more serious way.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Eh, Batman and Robin DESTROYED the franchise completely. But really, I don't think that Schumacher's movies continued after Burton's films. At least Spider-Man get's another movie because it's done by the exact same team as the other 3 movies. Batman and Robin was so bad they weren't allowed to do a sequel that would have been more like Burton's movies. I don't think Spider-Man 3 is as bad as Batman and Robin, really, I think Spider-Man 3 is at least better than Ang Lee's Hulk and X-Men 3. Batman and Robin wanted to be ridiculous, at least Spider-Man 3 was done in a more serious way.

No, Batman and Robin did not destroy the franchise or else there wouldn't be Batman begins of The Dark Knight. It forced the powers that be to seriously reconsider what they were doing with Batman.

And I have to disagree with you about both "Hulk" and "X-men 3." Neither were bad movies. A little dissapointing? Yes but nowhere near as bad as SM3. In the long run, I can easily say that Ang Lee did a much better movie than that new crap with Ed Norton. "X-men 3" was just not nearly as bad as people made it out to be. I found it pretty entertaining but I will admit that I am not the biggest X-men fan so as far as what they did with the characters, I really didn't care. As far as Spider-man goes, I am a huge fan and I will pick it apart but that's my right as a fan of the character.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

No, Batman and Robin did not destroy the franchise or else there wouldn't be Batman begins of The Dark Knight. It forced the powers that be to seriously reconsider what they were doing with Batman.

The movie franchise was dead for almost a decade.

And I have to disagree with you about both "Hulk" and "X-men 3." Neither were bad movies. A little dissapointing? Yes but nowhere near as bad as SM3.

I put Sm3 in the movies I like but were disapointed like X3 and Wolverine

In the long run, I can easily say that Ang Lee did a much better movie than that new crap with Ed Norton. "X-men 3" was just not nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

I like "The Incredible Hulk" better as most people do.

As far as Spider-man goes, I am a huge fan and I will pick it apart but that's my right as a fan of the character.

yes, but you have to understand that it's an adaptation,it is supposed to be copy/past, some changes have to be make for the movie to work, sometimes there are bad decisions but we have to live with them.

 

[The Joker]

The movie franchise was dead for over a decade.

Over a decade? Batman and Robin was released in 1997. Batman Begins came out in 2005.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Over a decade? Batman and Robin was released in 1997. Batman Begins came out in 2005.

I ment almost, my bad

 

[KILLING JOKER]

The movie franchise was dead for almost a decade.

Dead is dead my friend. It may have been on hold but it certainly never died. I mean was the Star wars franchise dead between Jedi and Menace. No.


I put Sm3 in the movies I like but were disapointed like X3 and Wolverine

I don't think I understand this sentence.



I like "The Incredible Hulk" better as most people do.

Oh....so suddenly it's okay to generalize what the masses feel deep inside. lmao. You've been going off on how everything is my opinion and that I have no facts to back them up now suddenly you can generalize the feelings of everyone on the planet? lol. Hillarious contradiction my friend.



yes, but you have to understand that it's an adaptation,it is supposed to be copy/past, some changes have to be make for the movie to work, sometimes there are bad decisions but we have to live with them.

And YOU have to understand that reguardless of what they do to "adapt" the material it can either work.....or it can suck.

SM3 sucks.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well saying that it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin doesen't make it fact either. It comes down to opinion. I mean how does one prove that a movie is nearly as horrible as another. I mean, there are Batman and Robin defenders out there too.

You can only go off of what you've seen with your own eyes and ears. You can tell me it's not fact but you sure can't prove to me it isn't it either. And saying it's in the same ballpark is not saying it's exactly as horrible but that it's one of those badly made comic book films that many people hate.

I mean trying to determine the exact level of suckage is really kind of ridiculous. Batman and Robin nearly ruined the Batman franchise and left fans very disenchanted. SM3 did the same.

B&R destroyed Batman to the point of it being put on hold for 8 years, and completely rebooting the series. Last I check, SM4 is due out in 2011, and everyone is coming back. The fact that not everyone was fired, and were in fact rehired post SM3 I think says something to its quality and reception vs what Batman & Robin got.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

B&R destroyed Batman to the point of it being put on hold for 8 years, and completely rebooting the series. Last I check, SM4 is due out in 2011, and everyone is coming back. The fact that not everyone was fired, and were in fact rehired post SM3 I think says something to its quality and reception vs what Batman & Robin got.

Well, we'll see how many flock to see Spider-man 4. Trust me, there are many fans that are dis-enchanted with the franchise and feel that it should be completely re-booted. There is a lot riding on this 4th film and even Raimi knows that. It's do or die time.

Many feel that the series is a joke and if they drop another stinker than even more will feel the same. And even if the thing makes enough money to greenlight a 5th film like the last lousy film did that doesen't really mean that they are making quality films. Money isn't everything see. The reputation of these films will live on in history forever reguardless of how much money they make or how many god awful sequels they spawn.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

And YOU have to understand that reguardless of what they do to "adapt" the material it can either work.....or it can suck.

SM3 sucks.

Lets agree to disagree.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, we'll see how many flock to see Spider-man 4. Trust me, there are many fans that are dis-enchanted with the franchise and feel that it should be completely re-booted. There is a lot riding on this 4th film and even Raimi knows that. It's do or die time.

Many feel that the series is a joke and if they drop another stinker than even more will feel the same. And even if the thing makes enough money to greenlight a 5th film like the last lousy film did that doesen't really mean that they are making quality films. Money isn't everything see. The reputation of these films will live on in history forever reguardless of how much money they make or how many god awful sequels they spawn.

This film may go down as disappointing, but it won't go down as B&R. That is what your arguing, and I don't see an argument for it. SM3 still made lots of money and was well liked enough to get everyone rehired. B&R didn't perform well and destroyed that Batman series. The two films are nowhere near the same level in quality or reception, which is what you're trying to argue with me.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

This film may go down as disappointing, but it won't go down as B&R. That is what your arguing, and I don't see an argument for it. SM3 still made lots of money and was well liked enough to get everyone rehired. B&R didn't perform well and destroyed that Batman series. The two films are nowhere near the same level in quality or reception, which is what you're trying to argue with me.

I was never trying to argue numbers as I am fully aware of how much money SM3 made. (Kinda like the latest Transformers don't ya think ) Crap makes money these days and that is too bad. My argument was that SM3 is known for being almost as bad as Batman and Robin. Plot-wise, acting wise etc.. I could care less how much money it made and how many sequels it spawns. I was talking about the overall quality of the 2 films and how generally hated they both are.

 

[DX]

I was never trying to argue numbers as I am fully aware of how much money SM3 made. (Kinda like the latest Transformers don't ya think ) Crap makes money these days and that is too bad. My argument was that SM3 is known for being almost as bad as Batman and Robin. Plot-wise, acting wise etc.. I could care less how much money it made and how many sequels it spawns. I was talking about the overall quality of the 2 films and how generally hated they both are.

...But SM3 is nowhere near as generally hated as B&R.

NOWHERE.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I was never trying to argue numbers as I am fully aware of how much money SM3 made. (Kinda like the latest Transformers don't ya think ) Crap makes money these days and that is too bad. My argument was that SM3 is known for being almost as bad as Batman and Robin. Plot-wise, acting wise etc.. I could care less how much money it made and how many sequels it spawns. I was talking about the overall quality of the 2 films and how generally hated they both are.

You can't seperate the two. Again, do you want me to point out all internet polls on both movies to prove that it isn't as hated? Your claim has no justification. On every movie related site, SM3 scores far better than B&R does. Do you want me to post IMDB ratings? Rotten tomatoes and megacritic scores? Yahoo films score? Etc. I easily can support my claim of SM3 not being nearly hated as B&R.

The fact SM3 made the money it did and didn't destroy the series further shows it is held in higher regard than B&R. Your opinion doesn't make a generalization true.

I'm not saying SM3 is a loved movie. It is not a loved movie by any means. I'm just saying your continued claim that it is almost as hated as B&R has no evidence.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

This year I've already heard Wolverine, Terminator Salvation and Transformers 2 be called "as bad as Batman and Robin".

I think these people deserve to watch b&r again one more time to remember just how bad it really was.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

This year I've already heard Wolverine, Terminator Salvation and Transformers 2 be called "as bad as Batman and Robin".

I think these people deserve to watch b&r again one more time to remember just how bad it really was.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

You can't seperate the two. Again, do you want me to point out all internet polls on both movies to prove that it isn't as hated? Your claim has no justification. On every movie related site, SM3 scores far better than B&R does. Do you want me to post IMDB ratings? Rotten tomatoes and megacritic scores? Yahoo films score? Etc. I easily can support my claim of SM3 not being nearly hated as B&R.

The fact SM3 made the money it did and didn't destroy the series further shows it is held in higher regard than B&R. Your opinion doesn't make a generalization true.

I'm not saying SM3 is a loved movie. It is not a loved movie by any means. I'm just saying your continued claim that it is almost as hated as B&R has no evidence.

Well, I said it was in the same ballpark. Ballparks are quite large. SM3 is certainly known as a big dissapointment to most Spider-man fans just as Batman and Robin was to Batman fans. You can't dispute that.

The fact SM3 made the money it did and didn't destroy the series further shows it is held in higher regard than B&R. Your opinion doesn't make a generalization true.

Again, I have to go back to the new Transformers film. It is being thrashed and I mean THRASHED by critics. I have seen, in a number of places that it is one of the worst movies in a long long time. SO.....point is that we are living in different times where a Michael Bay or a Sam Raimi CAN make a bucket of dog crap and automatically get a green light on a sequel. Does this really make the film GOOD? NOOOOOO! Does the fact that people flock to see this garbage and go to watch Megan Fox run in slow mo while sweating in the desert make it a good film? NOOOO! There are so many brainless, crappy, comic-action films being made and SM3 is one of the worst.

I remember seeing the first transformers right around the time I saw SM3 and I remember how I felt they were really the same kind of film. Empty, loud, packed with CGI and so exhaustingly boring in plot. And I can't say enough how much I liked the first 2 Spider-man movies so........

I am done. Officially done. It sucks. It will forever suck and let's hope the next one has the Lizard and is on the level of the first 2.