The Spider-Man 3 FAQ Thread

[pjspider1C]

Venom is a cool villain; in fact, he is one of the greatest villains ever created in my mind...but, then again, Spider-Man 3 gives him justice...Eddie becomes Venom, Venom kicks Spidey's a for a bit, sadly he dies (which is in an awesome way)...so, to be honest, this movie is great for the symbiote and Venom...Venom couldn't hold up as a main villain to be honest, and as a so-called "minor" villain (my theory is still that New Goblin, Sandman and Venom are all main villains, they all have their shining moments) and it's just like TAS...Venom is only seen in one GOOD episode during the symbiote arc...in "Venom Returns", it was an okay episode, but not a very great episode, and that is also why they brought in Carnage is such a poor way, with him helping that flaming-head dude...so, to me, they are doing Venom justice...villains like Doc Ock and Lizard...they could be in sequels, but Venom could not...and also, Carnage won't be in a sequel anyways, so with Venom dying, it's fine by me...I said right after Spider-Man 2 came out that Venom needs to be in the third movie, I got my wish, and I'm happy.

Cheers to that, brother!

 

[Juggernaut33]

how can people say Venom's death is ok??? WTF?? give one of the greatest villains in the Spidey universe his 5 minutes of fame and then kill em off?? WTF??

5 minutes??? Venom appears at the end of the second act and since the movie is 2h 36 I think that Venom will appear at least 30 minutes, if not more. Venom is great but Eddie Brock is the true character. Venom is just a lot of fun for the fight but there's nothing to say about him. His motivation? Kill Peter Parker. Wow! That's a hell of a character! Frankly, you guys are just pissed off because he is your favourite vilain but he can be fully used in one movie, no need to keep him alive if you don't have anything to say about him. To me Venom plays his part in the movie and that's it. If they keep Venom alive for a 4th movie, it will be just ridiculous. "We call ourseleves Venom! I wan't to kill Peter Parker! I'm gonna eat his brain!" Song very Two-Face-ish (Batman Forever) to me.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Venom is a cool villain; in fact, he is one of the greatest villains ever created in my mind...but, then again, Spider-Man 3 gives him justice...Eddie becomes Venom, Venom kicks Spidey's a for a bit, sadly he dies (which is in an awesome way)...so, to be honest, this movie is great for the symbiote and Venom...Venom couldn't hold up as a main villain to be honest, and as a so-called "minor" villain (my theory is still that New Goblin, Sandman and Venom are all main villains, they all have their shining moments) and it's just like TAS...Venom is only seen in one GOOD episode during the symbiote arc...in "Venom Returns", it was an okay episode, but not a very great episode, and that is also why they brought in Carnage is such a poor way, with him helping that flaming-head dude...so, to me, they are doing Venom justice...villains like Doc Ock and Lizard...they could be in sequels, but Venom could not...and also, Carnage won't be in a sequel anyways, so with Venom dying, it's fine by me...I said right after Spider-Man 2 came out that Venom needs to be in the third movie, I got my wish, and I'm happy.

WORD BRO .

 

[Secret_Riddle]

If venom didnt die in 3, then his arc might never get a proper ending the way the current crew intended it to end, since there is a lot of talk of a drastic change up.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

 

[pjspider1C]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

This is very nicely said. Let's not forget though, Eddie does ask God to kill Peter Parker before he even knows anything about the symbiote or that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. I'd say that's pretty malignant...

 

[The Caped Knight]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

I couldn't have said it better myself .

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

Yah i agree, very well said by the way.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

which is exactly my point. when the Symbiote bonded with peter it was feeding off of him. but Peter didn't know that. so he just let it do it to him for a while. but when he did find out what it was doing to him, he when't to the bell tower to take it off not knowing that Eddie Brock was below him asking god to kill peter parker. so onc the Symbiote bonds with Brock, it creates Venom who lusts for revenge against peter. the lesson Peter must learn in this film is that Revenge shouldn't be allowed to control you. With Great Power comes Great Responsibility and with that great Power, Peter should use t for good instead of out of anger and hate.

Eddie Brock on the other hand did the oppossite, he accepted the Symbiote and just let it flow over him without any struggle. but the hate in both of them formed Venom to do only one thing.......kill Spider-man. Spider-man over powered the Symbiote but Brock on the other hand does not over power it resulting in his essence been taken away.

not tomention that the one purpose of the Symbiote bonding with another being is so that it can feed off of it. Peter was on the verge of being completley taken over but he realized what it was doing to his mind and how much it was changing his actions twards others such as MJ. Venom is just full of hate and revenge that he needs to complete. but the result of it is Brock being erased from existance.

that is the lesson that needs to be learned which is why it's not bad that Brock dies.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Eddie Brock on the other hand did the oppossite, he accepted the Symbiote and just let it flow over him without any struggle.

See, that's the only flaw I found. Did you see the look on Eddie's face in the trailer? He ripped his jacket off to avoid the symbiote! However, it is obvious that he was simply overpowered by it.

Otherwise, you make good points.

This is very nicely said. Let's not forget though, Eddie does ask God to kill Peter Parker before he even knows anything about the symbiote or that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. I'd say that's pretty malignant...

True, but he is emotionally wrecked. He's crying in church (probably contemplating suicide) and he is just losing it. If he had said that in a normal situation with a normal tone, I might have to agree. But we've all said things out of grief and anger that we didn't mean.

 

[FatA$$]

See, that's the only flaw I found. Did you see the look on Eddie's face in the trailer? He ripped his jacket off to avoid the symbiote! However, it is obvious that he was simply overpowered by it.

Sure at first he is freaked out and doesnt know what it is so of course hes gonna rip off his jacket all freaked out. But in the novel it states something along that line that peter can kinda hear sometihng in his mind at parts when he has the symbiote on. so MAYBE once the sybiote gets a chance to "tell" eddie that it wants revenge on spiderman that is when he accepts it. just my take on what was said

 

[Stupify_me]

Been gone from these boards for awhile because I got tired of all the insults that gone thrown around at people who didn't all share the same opinion. Glad to see that still continues ...

This is a great Thread sucks that a few people hate it/you so much that they have to try, and ruin it (TheSlag for example) that doesn't change the fact that you did a good thing...



Ducks for the flames

 

[BillyD]

Been gone from these boards for awhile because I got tired of all the insults that gone thrown around at people who didn't all share the same opinion. Glad to see that still continues ...

This is a great Thread sucks that a few people hate it/you so much that they have to try, and ruin it (TheSlag for example) that doesn't change the fact that you did a good thing...



Ducks for the flames

aaw all in good fun my friend...welcome back

 

[nathan andrew]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

This is an excellent post! I just want to let you know that I've signed up after being a long time lurker just because you've made such a good statement and I wanted to expand on it a little.

I'm a huge fan of Venom, and I've already heard a hundred times that he dies in the film. I was half expecting it anyways, for a few reasons. The first is story, the second is character. Speaking of characters, the sandman presents a character that is redeemable. He commits crime to provide and protect people near him, therefor he is a criminal that needs to be stopped but the audience can find a way to forgive him because his motives are good natured, even if his actions aren't. Harry's character can be pitied, because of his confusion, but he is also redeemable if he can overcome his own pride and arrogance and help Peter. Eddie Brock has been presented with no such qualities, and in the end his character as said above, personifies Peter's dark side...it personifies his struggle to overcome himself...Venom alone presents a force that needs to be terminated...not redeemed or seen escaping in the end. I know there are fans out there who just wish that they could see the hero win the fight with Venom, and then Venom would just leap away shaking his fist saying "I'll get you next time Spidey!" credits roll. Part of the deal with good movie making (and story making) is finding the symbolism in every character. In this case Venom symbolizes the darkness of the hero's personality and for the movie to be what it is (hero-istic) the darkness needs to be vanquished, in order to show the hero's victory over the struggle of character, so that he can be solidified again. (i.e. I've been this person before, but never again).

All that babble said, I am glad he's in the film, and I don't mind keeping his segment short. I don't think that Venom could hold the movie as the only villain. Even if it were true, there would still be way too much screen time leading to his appearance. Spider-man would first have to struggle with the suit and his rejection before Venom could appear, and his struggles need to have an affect on him and the characters in his world (here's where the other villains help) I wouldn't mind it if Venom made an appearance in future films....after all any other films made could exist within a different spider-man lineage, much like different comics and their respective universes....but I am glad that they did give him a proper face and a proper closure. If this team does it best, and this team doesn't come back for future installments, then any movie incarnation and story of venom would suck.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

So, for a heads up...moviefone says Spider-Man 3 is now 139 mins...but, moviefone always adds up the previews with it...so, it would see 2 hours and like 10-12 mins.

 

[CrashNburn]

i dont think they could have done it any different as far as venom getting killed off. i dont see them letting Venom continue to live and run around causing all kinds of havoc. i dont see him even resting until spidey/peter are dead so i believe that they had to kill him off and there is the great point that Eddie Brock Jr made in his post. as much as people are bummed out about Venom being killed off, i think alot of us can understand.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

I never thought of it that way. Well said!

 

[LuterKing]

Personally I would want Eddie Brock to win t:

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Free Passes to SM3 movie

 

[Ryo Jin]

Eddie Brock Jr.'s post is what Topher and Raimi HAVE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME.

Well, whatever it takes to get the message across I guess. Just further proves how much most of these SM3 bashers know, NOTHING!

 

[Artistsean]

Plus you can say for sure if Venom is dead. The bomb went off and left nothing but little strands of symbiot. Not even a trace of Eddie Brocke. So it is reasonable to say that maybe Eddie jumped back into the alien and became Venom and got away within seconds (while the bomb went off) So most likely he is dead because he probably wont be in any other movies, but you aren't sure for certain. I mean, to me, if I saw parts of Eddie's clothes or something like that I would think he was dead. But the bomb didn't kill Harry either.

Good ending I thought.

 

[ew0k187]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

ok whoever uses this crap to justify if venom is gonna come back or not is stupid. you cant use this kind of logic for a movie like spiderman 3. just becuz venom is a symbol doesnt mean he isnt gonna come back. if i were to use your logic i could say "oh well everyone has a dark side and seldom can a person get rid of their dark side so simply and quick as that blah blah blah" but why bother?? its a freakin superhero movie. they can do whatever they want. they can choose to have the symbiote completely regenerate brock if they want to, because its their movie. whoever uses this guys quote to support their belief of why venom can't come back is a complete ******

 

[Venom 1988]

whoever uses this guys quote to support their belief of why venom can't come back is a complete ******

*looks at sig*
I guess I must be a ******

 

[Stupify_me]

Venom's death is...dare I say it?...necessary.

From a cinematic standpoint, it HAS to happen. Look at the symbolism. What does Venom represent in this movie? Simple, he represents all the darker qualities of Peter Parker.

Like Topher Grace said, "With great power comes great fun." I really don't think Topher had any idea how symbolic that line really is. In this movie, Eddie represents what Peter might've been had he shirked his responsibility.

So what do you do for Venom? You build the symbiote all movie. Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil. On the more human side of things, you introduce Eddie Brock. Make it obvious that Eddie isn't necessarily malignant, rather he is just Peter minus the sense of responsibility.

How do you make an appropriate climax for that though? After all, Peter can't fight himself.

Or can he?

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce VENOM! Venom is, to put it lightly, just a personification of the darker side of Peter Parker. In order for Peter to put this dark side behind him, he must first vanquish it in the form of Venom. Honestly, you can't have Peter just brush what he's done under the rug and ignore it. Peter would hope so, but such is not the "Parker luck." He is forced to face Venom, an enemy that is really just representative of himself.

This WOULD be a good point if they played it that way in the movie. I think it is obvious there was no development of the Venom character and very little done to show any parallels in the movie.

 

[Spade]

Make sure the audience knows that this thing is evil.

The way the film established it, Peter's head was swollen way before the symbiote came along. About the only thing it did was give him the desire for women and Hitler-esque haircuts. If he didn't keep on gripping his chest to morbidly remind the viewer of the Black Suit underneath his shirt I doubt newcomers who knew squat about the symbiote could really understand how "evil" it was.

 

[majemma]

i thought the story was fine i liked how it progressed especially the harry peter re-bonding tyen him dying .although since they were friends again they should have let harry live and then it would not have been so somber at the end and you could have had the swinging through the city scape again