Cop Shoots 8th Grader After He "Charges" At Cop

[RedTornadbro]

His previous reputation? Oh my bad I forgot 4 impending suspensions for missing assignments has EVERYTHING to do with shooting a teenager... These writers really need to get their facts before they post the story seriously.. How do you know that the kid who said he got sucker-punched (usually blind side) didn't just say "no i didnt see who." Then while driving the cop was flagged down by a resident.. Seriously the victim was probably in such shock at that point his POV shouldn't count.. SURE HE was told to stay put with the victim but when cops are flagged down they need to respond to action okay thats just a fact no arguments there. He didn't immediately go on foot race, he was in the car going around the neighborhood with the victim bundled in the back when he was flagged down.

Honestly It just begs the question why would you be an idiot and jump at an officer when he opens up the shed.. why would you not scream "I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M READY TO BE APPREHENDED" or something along those lines.. And don't give me that 'fear' bologna because like I said he punched the kid RIGHT IN FRONT OF A COP there certainly wasn't FEAR involved there.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

People who never trust police are more or less idiots who base the opinion off of a personal experience, often something trivial like being pulled over. The point is, if you are in trouble, you CAN go to the police for help. There are some bad cops, but that doesn't mean all are and they should never be trusted. If you think it's bad here, it's even worse in other countries. Especially Central and South America, Africa. Asia is probably no better as well as some European countries.

So you made a generalization about people who generalize police? How did you come to that conclusion about all people who distrust police.

If you look at the policeman's function throughout history you'll see that very often they've been used to enforce tyranny. That alone is a reason to be skeptical of their purpose in our society.

and experience is better than nothing when deciding to distrust authorities. If you see how they abuse their power you know first hand that someone in their position cannot be trusted implicitly.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

Maybe the cop shouldn't have pursued the kid into a tool shed knowing he might have to use lethal force. This kid was not a rape or murder suspect. Get the kids name from other students and pick him up from his house. duh.

Yeah disregarding the fact he was trespassing and the guy whose property was on flagged down the cop to tell him he was in there. I'm sure that leaving him there would have gone over real well with the property owner.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

His previous reputation? Oh my bad I forgot 4 impending suspensions for missing assignments has EVERYTHING to do with shooting a teenager... These writers really need to get their facts before they post the story seriously.. How do you know that the kid who said he got sucker-punched (usually blind side) didn't just say "no i didnt see who." Then while driving the cop was flagged down by a resident.. Seriously the victim was probably in such shock at that point his POV shouldn't count.. SURE HE was told to stay put with the victim but when cops are flagged down they need to respond to action okay thats just a fact no arguments there. He didn't immediately go on foot race, he was in the car going around the neighborhood with the victim bundled in the back when he was flagged down.

Honestly It just begs the question why would you be an idiot and jump at an officer when he opens up the shed.. why would you not scream "I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M READY TO BE APPREHENDED" or something along those lines.. And don't give me that 'fear' bologna because like I said he punched the kid RIGHT IN FRONT OF A COP there certainly wasn't FEAR involved there.

Maybe because he was an 8th grader and didn't think the cop would kill him since he was unarmed.

 

[RedTornadbro]

Yeah disregarding the fact he was trespassing and the guy whose property was on flagged down the cop to tell him he was in there. I'm sure that leaving him there would have gone over real well with the property owner.

Thank you someone with a little common sense on this thread.. The homeowner was a girl by the way and she also had a 3 year old inside the house THUS POSING AN EVEN BIGGER THREAT BY THE INTRUDER..

 

[RedTornadbro]

Maybe because he was an 8th grader and didn't think the cop would kill him since he was unarmed.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know being an 8th grader gave you the right to charge at an officer when he opens a shed when he has no idea what's even in that shed.. He knew what he was doing okay YOU ARE IN A CLOSED SHED that could've had a chain saw a shovel a pitch fork, sharp Christmas ornaments, any sort of tool. The cop didn't know he was an 8th grader he saw a teenager.. and these days there is a good percent of teenagers being tried as adults for vicious crimes, therefor you treat everyone equal.. If a cop opens a closed shed gun drawn would you charge him? I WOULD NEVER CHARGE A COP IN ANY CASE. Anyone who's anyone would know as soon as you start to engage in combat with a cop (ie: charge included) you are targeted as a threat and must be dealt with as such.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

So you made a generalization about people who generalize police? How did you come to that conclusion about all people who distrust police.

I didn't make a generalization, I stated something that is more or less fact. People will generalize something based off an experience they had.

If you look at the policeman's function throughout history you'll see that very often they've been used to enforce tyranny. That alone is a reason to be skeptical of their purpose in our society.

That used to be true but isn't the case anymore in most developed countries.

and experience is better than nothing when deciding to distrust authorities. If you see how they abuse their power you know first hand that someone in their position cannot be trusted implicitly.

No, it isn't. There are good cops, there are bad cops. Hating and mistrusting the entirety of them because you were given a hard time when you were pulled over or questioned is stupid. It's all because everyone thinks they're innocent when they deal with the police. I'd like to have these people go through basic police training just to see it from their side.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know being an 8th grader gave you the right to charge at an officer when he opens a shed when he has no idea what's even in that shed.. He knew what he was doing okay YOU ARE IN A CLOSED SHED that could've had a chain saw a shovel a pitch fork, sharp Christmas ornaments, any sort of tool. The cop didn't know he was an 8th grader he saw a teenager.. and these days there is a good percent of teenagers being tried as adults for vicious crimes, therefor you treat everyone equal.. If a cop opens a closed shed gun drawn would you charge him? I WOULD NEVER CHARGE A COP IN ANY CASE. Anyone who's anyone would know as soon as you start to engage in combat with a cop (ie: charge included) you are targeted as a threat and must be dealt with as such.

Why would the cop open the door to a darkened shed full of potential weapons with a desperate suspect inside?

It seemed to be a stand off situation that required multiple officers and special care.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

Why would the cop open the door to a darkened shed full of potential weapons with a desperate suspect inside?

It seemed to be a stand off situation that required multiple officers and special care.

It would have been a stand off but reports say the kid opened the door

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I didn't make a generalization, I stated something that is more or less fact. People will generalize something based off an experience they had.


That used to be true but isn't the case anymore in most developed countries.


No, it isn't. There are good cops, there are bad cops. Hating and mistrusting the entirety of them because you were given a hard time when you were pulled over or questioned is stupid. It's all because everyone thinks they're innocent when they deal with the police. I'd like to have these people go through basic police training just to see it from their side.

It's not stupid to mistrust authority figures due to a bad experience. If you had a bad experience with a babysitter who beat you as a kid, would you trust all babysitters? No you would distrust them all until they proved themselves trustworthy on an individual basis.

That's the smart way to treat any stranger in a position of power whether they have a badge or not.

 

[SuperFerret]

I hope you get arrested.


Now, if we were talking respect, yeah, I'd agree with you. But you pretty much have to trust police officers and most are trustworthy.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It's not stupid to mistrust authority figures due to a bad experience. If you had a bad experience with a babysitter who beat you as a kid, would you trust all babysitters? No you would distrust them all until they proved themselves trustworthy on an individual basis.

That's the smart way to treat any stranger in a position of power whether they have a badge or not.

Let's apply this rationale to race. Now do you see how stupid it is?

 

[mrvlknight21]

Let's apply this rationale to race. Now do you see how stupid it is?

Which is an example I used on page 2 of this thread and was told that I should be cautious around black people because of previous experiences. Please note that I was told to be cautious by the same person who twce in this thread said "F*** the police." By his rationale, shouldnt I be able to say "F*** black people?"

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It would have been a stand off but reports say the kid opened the door

I dunno seems like the cop was standing too close to the door if he couldn't tell the kid was unarmed.

Standing close to the shed doesn't give you time to assess the situation.

I wouldn't trust reports that this kid ran 15 feet with his hands behind his back.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Here is the conversation for reference:

Like NWA said **** Tha Police.

Cool. Just be sure to keep that attitude if someone assaults a member of your family, breaks into your car or steals your tv.

I live in N.O. Our cops corrupt as hell. I suspect they stole my stuff before anybody else.

If you have had a bad experience with your local law enforcement, I am very sorry. As I stated above, it is VERY unfortunate, but yes, there are bad police out there. Those certain ones should be handled appropriately, whether it is losing their job, prosecution or whatever.
However, PLEASE dont make a broad generalization like that based on the actions of a few.

I still stand by my statement. **** the police. You can only judge by what you know. I'v way too many scandals and ******** from the police. Yeah they got some goods ones, but so many say a lot of bad.

Im just saying how I feel. I dont distrust all cops. They have many great cops. All saying is that where I LIVE I don't trust them. Their corrupt and power hungry. That just figures into my view of all cops though.

Ok. You havent named any personal experiences. Which is fine, you are going on reported problems (which are going to happen, as I stated in my first post, because there are bad people in all professions). And Superferret mentioned that negative press regarding police sells more papers than the positive, which often NEVER sees the public eye in print or media form.


But I will use your rationale in regards to black people. True stories: I have twice been jumped by black people and was told that it was because I was white, I have never been jumped by any white people. I also had a black friend steal money from me. None of my white friends have stolen money from me. SO>>>>>based on your rationale, I should be fearful/cautious around black people IN MY AREA (even though there may be some great black people in my area)......?

Or does this only apply to professions and not race? Ok then, I have had 2 bad personal experiences with used car salesmen and my friends have as well. So, I should mistrust most all used car salesmen IN MY AREA (even though there may be some honest ones in my area).....?

To be honest I'd be cautious. Thats simple to me. Fool me once...You know. In nature you adapt. In situations like this is no different. Be cautious around black and by a New car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Henry_Glover
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2011/05/new_orleans_top_police_officer.html

Personal story. My dad was pulled over by the cops one day and I was in the passenger seat. I was just shock and nervous because my dad had never gotten pulled over before while I was in the car. So I didn't notice that a another cop was knocking on my window and he wanted me to open the door. I finally noticed him and open my door. The police officer decides to get belligerent with me because I didn't notice him. He has a ****ed up attitude and he tells me to get out the car and I get search for basically no reason at all, just because I didn't notice him. Even though I told him, I was paying attention to my dad the whole time and I was shocked so thats why I never notice him and add to the fact that I am a minor. He lets me get back in my dad's car after giving him a ticket. So yeah I don't like cops for personal and just because their corrupt.

Seriously your freaking crazy if you think that kid should have been shot. Because he ran, because he punched a kid, because he has priors, he deserved to get shot for that. Jesus what is wrong with you. He was a 14 year old kid for Christ's sake.

So, in your opinion, the fact that I and other people, here in my area, deal with black people EVERY DAY, multiple times a day, without any issues or incidents....I should still have fear and cautiousness based on those 2 personal incidents I had......WOW is all I can say.


Also, your personal story in NO WAY showed that those cops or any other cops are corrupt.

Not fear as much as cautionness. I just saying there have been women who have been raped and are now scared of that race. Even if you didn't really think it, you might think it subconsciously. And also its not even a race thing, if two women steal from me, imma be keep my eye out on women. If two dogs attack me, Imma be keep an eye out on dogs. Its just being conscious of your surroundings.

Also my person story was adding to the fact I dont like cops, those three articles are how their corrupt.

I didn't feel like quoting mrv

I agree that having situational awareness and being survivial/safety minded is a good idea (in all situations). But if we base that awareness and mindset on fear as a result of past incidents, whether our own or just one that we read about, then we end up directing it at a certain sex, race, etc. That is when it could become a problem.
You dont know me and you may not care, but as a suggestion, saying something like "As a result of multiple incidents of police brutality and corrutpion in my area, I find it hard to trust police and often treat situations involving them with caution" sounds a lot more mature and clearly is not disrespectful, like your original post, which said "F*** the police."

It's not suppose to be respectful or I would have just said I don't like the police,

So your intention, by saying "F*** the police" was to make an insulting/disrespectful remark about THOUSANDS of men and women in the law enforcement profession?

Yeah . I mean me saying that is no different from people saying that they hate Lawyers, IRS, etc. Yeah they got some good ones and we do need them but we still say **** em. The good gotta suffer for the bad. It's like a sports team. A bad team might have some good players but their bad players are REALLY freaking bad and make them a horrible team.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Let's apply this rationale to race. Now do you see how stupid it is?

Let's apply it to another profession like politician. Now do you see how logical it is?

 

[SuperFerret]

Politicians want power. Actual power, not the type of power that you seem to think motivates police officers. People get dishonest when they seek such power.

And really, politicians have proven more than police to be untrustworthy.

 

[mrvlknight21]

Let's apply it to another profession like politician. Now do you see how logical it is?

Believe it or not, police officers help LOTS of people EVERYDAY.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

See,Ye Police are dangerous fascists who torture people for no reason other then ye fact that ye police are straight up sadists.
All police(wo)men ought to be tried for crimes against humanity

Well, I have seen first hand what they do to people who are born with issues beyond their controls. I've seen then brutally attack people for being tired and having broken glasses.
So, no, I don't think it's extreme.

What about humanity in general? Why stop at cops? We're all horrible for this planet, the animals that inhabit it, each other and within enough time -if we make it far enough - bad for the entire existence of life in this universe.

We should all be wiped from the face of the Earth according to your line of thought.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Let's apply it to another profession like politician. Now do you see how logical it is?

Way to completely dodge my point.

Also, there are a few good politicians. Very, very few but they exist.

 

[Heffer Wolf]

God I love people who just trust authority figures implicitly. Wake up, seriously.

yup, because the cops are just out to get us. Donut eating power hungry bullies the lot of 'em. we're better off without them. they just want to hassle you, they just want to abuse you, they are keeping us down. smash the state and all of that.

but seriously, this is the real world not San Andreas. Maybe I'm just naive because I've never really had any bad run ins with cops. The odd speeding ticket here and there or a noise complaint is about as far as my interaction with them has gone. I am kind of curious though why you are so distrusting of them. Bad experience? or is it just news stories that always seems to make cops look like incompetent ass hats?

And I hate the first paragraph of that story. Trying to be clever. Basicly "His department couldn't pull the trigger on firing him. A problem he obviously didn't have." Puns!

 

[JewishHobbit]

All this "Cops are evil" crap is a joke. I've met a lot of good cops and only one annoying cop. You know what? That one annoying cop does not define the entirety of my city's police force and to think anything otherwise is just stupid.

 

[ObakeTora]

^^ All the more reason why we shouldn't have to tolerate "bad cops." ^^

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

All this "Cops are evil" crap is a joke. I've met a lot of good cops and only one annoying cop. You know what? That one annoying cop does not define the entirety of my city's police force and to think anything otherwise is just stupid.

And to not take into consideration the area of which a person lives is also presumptuous. No one here can speak for cops as a whole. Most of us are basing our opinions off of our own experiences, some good, some bad and so on.

Just because the area where you live has mostly good cops and only a couple of ********s, does not mean this automatically applies to anywhere else in the nation. And vice-versa.

Take the cops of the L.A. area, mainly the population during the Rodney King beating. If one were to go back and do research, and talk to those living in that area of that time, especially those of a minority race, one would find that corruption and police brutality was far from a rare and isolated incident.

But this should not, hopefully, project a bad view in everyone's mind of cops as a whole. There are plenty of bad cops out there, but also plenty of good ones as well.

 

[Victarion]

It also degenerated into "The police can do no wrong, who cares if they kill unarmed 8th graders".

I for one don't. because it wasn't my 8th grader, nor a relative/acquaintance/friend.

Skip to my *bladaa-bla-blam-bloww* my darling.