Cops, 40 minutes to respond to daycare incident

[Piper Maru]

Really? What if someone went to an airport and started telling everyone "i'm going to explode!"
would you assume he just had too much taco bel?

lmfao!

 

[Darthphere]

Hyperbolic much?

How? Because not everything a crazy person says is a "direct threat".

For all we know, he was like "God told me to come pick the kids up and take them to the park".

Taking them to the park is...kidnapping. But please, continue.

 

[The Guard]

Really? What if someone went to an airport and started telling everyone "i'm going to explode!"would you assume he just had too much taco bel?

I wouldn't assume anything. Just like I wouldn't assume this guy meant "I'm going to kidnap the children" when he said "God told me to take the children".

Is it cause for concern? Yes.

It is cause for sheer panic? No. Unless he was, you know, actually trying to kidnap the children. Doesn't seem like he was.

 

[Darthphere]

I wouldn't assume anything. Just like I wouldn't assume this guy meant "I'm going to kidnap the children" when he said "God told me to take the children".

Is it cause for concern? Yes.

It is cause for sheer panic? No. Unless he was, you know, actually trying to kidnap the children. Doesn't seem like he was.

Well now we can say that. There was no way of knowing that at the time of the 911 call. After 40 minutes waiting for the cops, sure.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Hyperbolic much?

How? Because not everything a crazy person says is a "direct threat".

For all we know, he was like "God told me to come pick the kids up and take them to the park".

Maybe he meant "God told me to take your kids to the park".... Yeah. That'd be much better.

When your argument becomes that weak, it's best to pack it in and just say "sorry guys, you were right about the messianic psychopath."

 

[The Guard]

That's not my argument. I'm just saying...who the hell knows what he meant? He's a nutjob.

My argument is that it's not apparently that serious a situation based on what actually physically happened.

Well now we can say that. There was no way of knowing that at the time of the 911 call. After 40 minutes waiting for the cops, sure.

It's a matter of common sense. I'm fairly certain that after about 30 seconds, the parents and staff probably realized that the guy wasn't anywhere near making off with the kids, and that he was in fact, crazy.

 

[Darthphere]

Because crazy people have never entered building with children intent on doing harm. Never. Jesus. This is one of the worst arguments I've read on here. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic. The point is, there's no reason that it should've taken a police officer 40 minutes to respond to any emergency call.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

So instead of erring on the side of caution, which is what every law-enforcement official has been taught to do, The Guard is basically saying "hey relax, take your time, cops. There's a 70% chance he's a harmless crazy guy who wants to take your children somewhere instead of a dangerous crazy guy." And if God's new messenger had decided at any time to draw a knife and slash the crap out of a few kids during that forty minute interval, who would we be blaming?

 

[Duran Man]

'Murica.

 

[KevanG]

Because crazy people have never entered building with children intent on doing harm. Never. Jesus. This is one of the worst arguments I've read on here. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic. The point is, there's no reason that it should've taken a police officer 40 minutes to respond to any emergency call.

Also, it's not like there hasn't been a huge amount of crazy folks running around shooting people in the last few months. So anyone going into a school or daycare saying they were told by god to "take care of the children" there wouldn't cause a massive freak out or anything. If he was one of those crazy ******* with a gun, then what? "Whoops, shift change. Sorry all your kids got murdered because we were too ****ing lazy to even send a car out."

 

[Xeno]

That's not my argument. I'm just saying...who the hell knows what he meant? He's a nutjob.

My argument is that it's not apparently that serious a situation based on what actually physically happened.



It's a matter of common sense. I'm fairly certain that after about 30 seconds, the parents and staff probably realized that the guy wasn't anywhere near making off with the kids, and that he was in fact, crazy.

The crazy ones are the ones you ought to be most worried about. Most of the mass shootings that have happened recently were committed by...wait for it...crazy people.

See these guys? Crazy bastards, one and all.

So tell us again how it's "a matter of common sense" that crazy people aren't a danger to children. Not all people with mental problems are inherently dangerous, but enough of them are and have committed violent crimes, including crimes against young children, that the parents and staff of that daycare were acting reasonably when they confronted the man and called police. Arguing otherwise is nonsensical in the extreme.

 

[Marvolo]

So instead of erring on the side of caution, which is what every law-enforcement official has been taught to do, The Guard is basically saying "hey relax, take your time, cops. There's a 70% chance he's a harmless crazy guy who wants to take your children somewhere instead of a dangerous crazy guy." And if God's new messenger had decided at any time to draw a knife and slash the crap out of a few kids during that forty minute interval, who would we be blaming?

We would be blaming the guy who hurt them. Obviously the law enforcement would have and did fail the people in this instance, but I wouldn't be looking for cops blood if the man had hurt the kids.

I don't know how law enforcement works there, but I think when you are off duty you can't respond to a call so if the shift change was improperly organized and there was a window when no cops were on duty then none could respond to the call. Its just a case of piss poor scheduling, and coincidental timing of a maniac falling into that window of opportunity.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

We would be blaming the guy who hurt them. Obviously the law enforcement would have and did fail the people in this instance, but I wouldn't be looking for cops blood if the man had hurt the kids.

Okay, well obviously you primarily blame the knife-wielding maniac, but in the same way you can blame poor engineers when a building collapses during an earthquake or poor security that didn't prepare properly for a terrorist attack, you can blame poor cops for a crappy response time that costs lives. I thought my point was pretty simple and universally acknowledged. When there's a deadly failure due to incompetence or indifference, heads roll.

 

[Marvolo]

Okay, well obviously you primarily blame the knife-wielding maniac, but in the same way you can blame poor engineers when a building collapses during an earthquake or poor security that didn't prepare properly for a terrorist attack, you can blame poor cops for a crappy response time that costs lives. I thought my point was pretty simple and universally acknowledged. When there's a deadly failure due to incompetence or indifference, heads roll.

The respose time is a result of poor managment. You blame the management. But like I said if a cop had responded off duty they could have put their job at risk. Yes, I know you are supposed to put others before yourself, but it is still a job, and they have to keep that job to support themselves and their family. I don't blame the cops for what happened. I blame whoever made that shift schedule. Someone up the food chain dropped the ball.

Speaking of response times, there are some areas around where I live so far out in BFE that response time is an hour or more. If you live in these areas and get into a situation where you need an ambulance you are up **** creek. I used to go out there when I was young and dumb and thank god a crazy hitchhiker didn't get me and that I didn't have an accident. Its like being on an island.

 

[The Guard]

Because crazy people have never entered building with children intent on doing harm. The point is, there's no reason that it should've taken a police officer 40 minutes to respond to any emergency call.

I haven’t said otherwise.

So instead of erring on the side of caution, which is what every law-enforcement official has been taught to do, The Guard is basically saying "hey relax, take your time, cops. There's a 70% chance he's a harmless crazy guy who wants to take your children somewhere instead of a dangerous crazy guy." And if God's new messenger had decided at any time to draw a knife and slash the crap out of a few kids during that forty minute interval, who would we be blaming?

No…I haven't said anything remotely like that. Haven't said anything that should lead you to believe that.

Hopefully, if that happened, we would blame the guy who slashed the crap out of a few kids. Since he’s, you know, the one who hypothetically did it.

Also, it's not like there hasn't been a huge amount of crazy folks running around shooting people in the last few months. So anyone going into a school or daycare saying they were told by god to "take care of the children" there wouldn't cause a massive freak out or anything. If he was one of those crazy ******* with a gun, then what? "Whoops, shift change. Sorry all your kids got murdered because we were too ****ing lazy to even send a car out."

He wasn’t, though. He didn’t apparently have a gun. He walked in and said “God told me to take the children”.

A "huge amount"?

Yes, it’s cause for concern, as I've already said. Level heads prevailed, though, because it seems none of the children were taken or kidnapped or any of that.

The crazy ones are the ones you ought to be most worried about. Most of the mass shootings that have happened recently were committed by...wait for it...crazy people.

None of whom “wandered” into a school and calmly explained that a deity told them to take the children, and without opening fire.

So tell us again how it's "a matter of common sense" that crazy people aren't a danger to children. Not all people with mental problems are inherently dangerous, but enough of them are and have committed violent crimes, including crimes against young children, that the parents and staff of that daycare were acting reasonably when they confronted the man and called police. Arguing otherwise is nonsensical in the extreme

I never said that it’s a matter of common sense that crazy people aren’t a danger to children...where the hell are you getting that?

I never said they weren’t acting reasonably when they confronted the man and called the police.

All I’ve said, if you pay attention to the context of my argument, is that nothing about what actually happened IN THIS SITUATION suggests this guy was actually in the process of/going to be able to kidnap or harm the children.

That’s all.

Okay, well obviously you primarily blame the knife-wielding maniac, but in the same way you can blame poor engineers when a building collapses during an earthquake or poor security that didn't prepare properly for a terrorist attack, you can blame poor cops for a crappy response time that costs lives.

Not really. You blame the people who commit the crime. That’s what costs lives.

The cops could very well be busy, or there could be some type of communication issue.

Yes, you’d like to hope they would be able to respond quickly, but you cannot blame cops for someone else’s actions.

Cops showing up late isn’t what caused people to suffer in your hypothetical scenario.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

So according to you there should be absolutely no accountability for law enforcement to act in a timely fashion during an emergency? Jesus Christ. And no one is saying that God's Messenger isn't the perpetrator, but by being competent, efficient and TIMELY the police can prevent a bad situation from being much worse.

 

[Xeno]

None of whom “wandered” into a school and calmly explained that a deity told them to take the children, and without opening fire.



I never said that it’s a matter of common sense that crazy people aren’t a danger to children...where the hell are you getting that?

I never said they weren’t acting reasonably when they confronted the man and called the police.

All I’ve said, if you pay attention to the context of my argument, is that nothing about what actually happened IN THIS SITUATION suggests this guy was actually in the process of/going to be able to kidnap or harm the children.

That’s all.

It's obvious that you didn't bother to read the article in the link, because the man really wasn't calm at all. He confronted the parents and was arguing with them, presumably about his intent to kidnap their children, and the situation escalated. Police dispatchers were on the phone with parents at the scene and heard the confrontation getting out of control, shouting, etc. That's when they finally ordered deputies to get off their donut-eating asses an get to the daycare center, 40 minutes after the confrontation began.


So much for the calm, polite, heaven-sent would-be kidnapper of your fantasies.

 

[bullets]

I feel like it says he said "God told me to take the children". Not kidnap them. And it's a moot point, because the parents obviously didn't buy his story. Was he actually kidnapping them? No? Then what's the big deal?

What do you suppose "take" means?

 

[Xeno]

What do you suppose "take" means?

Take them to heaven in his magic spaceship, maybe.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

It's ironic the poster talking about common sense thinks there's little to worry about when a mentally deranged man busts into a daycare center and announces his intention to take all the children for God. Remind me never to ask you to babysit, Guard.

 

[The Apocalypse]

That sucks but mistakes happen.

 

[CastlesInTheAir]

Guard is digging his own grave right now, lmao.

 

[Brain Damage]

What do you suppose "take" means?

It means Liam Neeson is coming after you.

 

[C. Lee]

I haven’t said otherwise.



No…I haven't said anything remotely like that. Haven't said anything that should lead you to believe that.

Hopefully, if that happened, we would blame the guy who slashed the crap out of a few kids. Since he’s, you know, the one who hypothetically did it.


He wasn’t, though. He didn’t apparently have a gun. He walked in and said “God told me to take the children”.

A "huge amount"?

Yes, it’s cause for concern, as I've already said. Level heads prevailed, though, because it seems none of the children were taken or kidnapped or any of that.



None of whom “wandered” into a school and calmly explained that a deity told them to take the children, and without opening fire.



I never said that it’s a matter of common sense that crazy people aren’t a danger to children...where the hell are you getting that?

I never said they weren’t acting reasonably when they confronted the man and called the police.

All I’ve said, if you pay attention to the context of my argument, is that nothing about what actually happened IN THIS SITUATION suggests this guy was actually in the process of/going to be able to kidnap or harm the children.

That’s all.



Not really. You blame the people who commit the crime. That’s what costs lives.

The cops could very well be busy, or there could be some type of communication issue.

Yes, you’d like to hope they would be able to respond quickly, but you cannot blame cops for someone else’s actions.

Cops showing up late isn’t what caused people to suffer in your hypothetical scenario.

It's a good thing you are typing on the internet...because it must be awful hard to talk with both feet in your mouth.

The job of the police is to arrive as quickly as possible when notified of dangerous situations...not to wait around and decide later if that situation could have possibly maybe become one.

An adult male who is not on the approved pickup list arriving at a school, gaining access to it, and announcing that God had sent him to pick up the kids...is a potentially dangerous situation. If you are saying you do not see this...then you have worse problems that that guy did....or are trolling...which is pretty much covered by last statement anyway.

The cops could very well have been busy...BUT....when they are told just months after a crazy person killed 21 kids at a school that a man has entered a school and announced that God had sent him to get the kids...then, you become unbusy very very fast. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can figure out what calls need immediate attention and what calls can be put off for a little bit.

Cat stuck in tree....it can wait.
Someone calls 911 because their pizza was delivered cold....it can wait.
The neighbors music is too loud....it can wait.
Unauthorized unknown man entered school and announced that God had sent him to pick up the kids...you get your ass there as soon as possible.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I think Guard's problem is he's too proud to admit he's wrong. Because he's clearly not winning this argument on points. C Lee just sent him back to school.