Could a Superman 'Requel' Work?

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  1. Man of Tomorrow

    Man of Tomorrow Well-Known Member

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    There are many easy ways to do a 'Requel' for the next film.

    Essentially this idea is a sequel, while also rebooting everything at the same time with a new origins. A great compromise for everyone.

    For example:

    - Have the film kick off in the future of the SR verse amidst an apocalyptic battle between Superman (in Kingdom Come attire) and Brainiac

    - Brainiac then travels back in time to 1978 to murder baby Kal-El. The baby survives in his ship but Brainiac launches a devastating attack on Metropolis that changes everything.

    - Clark now grows up in a very different world; where Lexcorp rebuilds Metropolis and controls the city, America is plunged into war etc and Clark must be the light to guide the world out of darkness.

    - There could also be a terminator-esque story here with Superman driven to defeat Brainiac in the present, in order to prevent the [FONT=&quot][/FONT]apocalyptic dystopia we witness at the start of the film (in the future).

    This scenario would allow for Brandon Routh to continue as Superman, Spacey as corperate Lex, Huntington as Jimmy Olsen and Frank Langella to play a gruffer Perry White closer to his Frost/Nixon potrayal.
     
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  2. dark_b

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    you mean like superman returns? SR was not a direct sequel.


    whait a minute. isnt this similar to star trek? :)
     
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  3. Ring Deacon

    Ring Deacon Got 6? We do.

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    You know that wouldn't be too bad of an idea. Then we would get rid of that kid from the movie mythos. IMO he was what ruined Superman Returns for me.
     
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  4. dark_b

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    wasnt this in 2006? a gream compromise for the old donner fans and the ones who want a reboot. they tryed to connect it with the old movies and start something fresh.

    i liked Brandon Routh. but some people really can not let go hhhhhh :hehe:, i mean why not just reallly really reboot ?

    why must the fans who want a reboot always get a compromise?
     
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  5. dark_b

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    you need to understand that time travling was always part of star trek. thats why it doesnt look strange in the new movie. thats why it is in the new movie.
    really time traveling in a new superman movie? do we really have to complicate things so much?

    i get a feeling that some fans insted of fiidng a great story are just searching for a way to make a sequel to SR for everyone.
     
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    you need to understand that time travling was always part of star trek. thats why it doesnt look strange in the new movie. thats why it is in the new movie.
    really time traveling in a new superman movie? do we really have to complicate things so much?

    i get a feeling that some fans insted of fiidng a great story are just searching for a way to make a sequel to SR for everyone.
     
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  7. Man of Tomorrow

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    It's hardly complicated, the story just involves travelling back in time once.

    Time travel has been a staple of Superman as well; every incarnation of Supes has utilized it to some extent. Heck, STM had Superman turning time back himself. Johns is utilizing time travel and the Legion in the new Superman origins as well.
     
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    Because that's what WB wants. They're keeping Routh and with the talks of Singer's camp still onboard, this may be the best way to satisfy everyone.

    I'm just suggesting a scenario that works with what WB is currently doing.
     
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  9. GreenKToo

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    The only problem I would have with that would be folks would say its to similar to S:TM with the time travel.
    It might work anyway tho. Not bad.
     
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  10. Superfreak

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    Yes, it is Star Trek.


    I've been working on this solution in my head, via a prequel and sequel, that would keep SR in current continuity, but reframe it, so that it makes more sense within the Superman Universe

    Prequel:
    goal: to cut all ties with the Donner franchise, except for Brando's Jor'el (a consequence of having Brando's Jor'el in SR). This is a problem with SR.


    1)-movie starts same as SR, Krypton explodes, NO PROLOGUE on krypton
    -Kal'el arrives, late 70s, early 80s.
    -Lex Luthor is an astronaut at the time, part of Kal's ship breaks off, the important part with the Jor'el AI in it. This causes a disaster on Luthor's moon landing, he retrieves the bit of crystal, and become a hero for surviving the disaster
    -ma and pa find Kal's ship crashed... it didn't land, it crashed.
    -smallville, all he knows is vague memories about another planet, but no concrete explanation of who he is

    2)-jump to the present, Spacey's Lex is a billionaire, weapons manufacturer, genius, hero... Tony Stark, crossed with Nicholas Cage in Lord of War: But EVIL
    -Clark is in Kasnia, doing stories about the civil war there. (doing modest Jack Bauer work at an orphanage or something in the off time)
    -witnesses a massacre, that escalates into a battle... new space aged weapons are being used agains the innocent rebels.... the escalation reachs a point, where a massive bomb is dropped, and Clark is the only one left alive, despite his efforts to save people. Clark collects evidence about the weapons, and their new power source: crystals

    3)-Clark goes to metropolis seeking answers.
    -gets job at the DP
    -goes to meet new partner at weapons manufacturing show
    -meets lois
    -together they are introduced to Luthor, and Luthor introduces this new technology that 'he created'. Abundant energy source in the form of small chips of crystal (let us define here, that Lex will not know much about the crystal, only that he can chop it up, and use it as a battery, his later education in crystals would come in SR)
    -there is mention of Luthor using illegal genetic modification on soldiers
    -Superman TAS, Superman's first appearance.
    -From here on the plot is similar to TAS Last Son Of Krypton. Regent John Corbin of Kasnia steals the technology, we find out later that Luthor allowed him to steal it, to escalate an arms race, of which he would supply both sides.
    -Lois interviews Superman

    4)-Luthor tests Superman
    -Luthor expands his plan
    -While Superman is running around saving the day
    -Lois gets into trouble investigating Lex, and is caught
    -we find out about Lex's gene modifying, and that he reasons out that Supermans genetics would be fun to play with, hence why he has been playing with and collecting superman's DNA
    -Lois causes some havoc in the lab, as Lex monologues about the crystal he found on the moon, something happens to the crystal, and it awakens
    -Superman begins hearing the whispers of Jor'el
    -Lois is experimented on...


    5)Superman saves the day by following the crystal's whispers
    -Lois is rescued, but is she alright?
    -Lois has the crystal
    -Lex's plan to start a massive world war comes to a head, Lex becomes nervous and uncomfortable
    -Corbin attacks the UN, in new Luthorcorp battlesuits: Think TAS ones, rather than the comic book Iron-manesque types. Like big "aliens' loaders
    -Big fight

    6)Lex exposed, his vanity destroying his mind, he goes crazy (explaining crazy town Lex luthor in SR)
    -Superman takes the crystal, and goes to build the fortress of solitude, he enters to finally find out who he really is, the end: cliffhanger


    in the post SR sequel:

    -it would begin on Krypton, during superman's trip, we would find out what happened in the Fortress, and why he left for Krypton
    -Brainiac is born out of NK
    -Jason would be the result of Lex's experiment on Lois, Jason is not quite a bizarro, but the idea is there
    -In the present, Superman and the world military would begin dealing with the brainiac invasion
    -Superman would defeat brainiac temporarily
    -Brainiac would seek out a body strong enough to challange Superman: there's only one other on the planet
    -Jason is posessed Brainiac.
    -Lex is plotting in the background, waiting to get his revenge.
    -Superman defeats Jainiac
    -Jason is badly hurt, he's dying.
    -Lex comes in at that point and tries to kill Jason, Richard saves the day. Lex reveals the last crystal, stolen in SR.

    -Superman flies Jason to the FOS, revives the FOS, and sends Jason to Kandor.


    I know it's kind of vague, and could be fleshed out a little, but I think that could work... I just had to get that off my mind. Mind you, this is merely a way of dealing with the problems of SR, but I think it could work.

    The time travel idea is stupid

    They should either start over and ignore SR altogether, or try and work around SR, so that those displeasing things are transformed, when viewed from a larger frame of reference. I'm totally not down with the seudo, quasi, non sequels.
     
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  11. Webhead2006

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    nice idea though the easiest things to do really would either contiue SR's world with a stupid sequel already. Or jsut comitt already to a full on reboot so all donnor/singer elements are wiped away.
     
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    Eh, it's more complicated than it should. The story itself is fairly simple (and hey, I even like it), but it's more trouble than the general audience would care to deal with. After all, the need to go so far as to make the compromise so extended and logical is a request from fans, who follow these things closely. Considering Superman isn't really established in the minds of the GA, going into an extensive explanation is riskier than it sounds.
     
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  13. dark_b

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    this time travel would not be for SR fans. and it would not be for GA. it would only be for people who didnt like SR.
    GA doesnt care if someone goes back in time to change something that Singer did wrong to the superman fans.

    make a simple story and voila.
     
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  14. FlawlessVictory

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    Admirable, Man of Tomorrow and Superfreak, but Webhead is right. Ultimately this next film has to be a straight up sequel or reboot to be most effective. It sucks because SR itself should served as the "Requel". But instead it was a quasi-sequel with more lame evil real estate plans. All they had to do was when Superman returned is have Lex already be head of LexCorp and Metallo could have been introduced in the process.

    Now, for SR2, to get LexCorp we are really going to have to suspend A LOT of disbelief to get that part of the story done. Thanks Singer. :csad:
     
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  15. Nixon

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    Maybe, but not necessarily. It really comes down to what kind of Lexcorp you want and what you want corporate Lex to do. Is it just so that Lex can throw a Metallo or a Bizarro at Superman? Is it to set up a situation where the public loves Lex and only Superman knows the truth?

    If it's the former, well those guys can come from places other than Lex Luthor. And if they can't, well then you simply have Lex parlay the Vanderworth fortune he inherited into shadow-control over a network of technology companies that could provide him with the resources necessary for his vendetta against the Man of Steel. He'd be like an anti-Bruce Wayne in a way.

    If it's the latter, then all we need to do is have Luthor help Superman save Earth from Brainiac. All of a sudden Lex, to an unknowing public, is the hero of the day. A guy who has made mistakes and found redemption. A guy who has used his vast intellect to save the world and will now use it to serve the needs of the world through his new enterprise LEXCORP.

    Hell, maybe he could even run for President one day.
     
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  16. GreenKToo

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    They could pull a ''Dallas'' lol.
    at the beginning of the sequel, Superman wakes up inside his ship and realizes that Jason, Richard, and ''that'' Lex from S.R. were all just a bad dream, brought on by too much exposure to Kryptonite at the remains of Krypton.
     
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  17. I SEE SPIDEY

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    I can't believe people are sooo hung up on the kid. I honestly felt that that was the least of the movie's problems

    . The kid actually wasn't too annoying and the idea of a kid isn't a terrible one if it were introduced in the 3rd movie and not the first.
     
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  18. FlawlessVictory

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    The kid and the circumstances surrounding him symbolize one of the biggest problems of what was wrong with SR. It's not just the kid, but what he represents. Daytime soap opera antics that are taken to a level that I am not interested in seeing how it is resolved. I have no problem with Superman and Lois having a kid, but not like how it was presented to us. And yes, it should have been saved for the final film.
     
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  19. Excel

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    The kid worked fine in SR, but the problem is where do they go from there?

    Re: a requel- it could work...ANYTHING could work, a requel would just depend on the team.
     
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    isnt this a little cheesy?
     
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  21. Cool Monty

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    I agree. I can somewhat understand how people dislike giving their hero a child, but I think it could've turned out much worse. Jason was handled fairly well as a five year old character. Or at the very least I didn't want to punch him in the stomach like the annoying brats in The Mummy 2 & Zorro 2. :hehe:
     
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    true that!
     
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  23. dark_b

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    but a lot of people who even liked SR dont know how to make a sequel to jason.
    if singer doesnt do a sequel i hope we will in the future find out what he wanted to do with richard,lois and jason in the sequel.
     
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    We've all toyed around with this idea at some point but I think most come to the conclusion it's a bit too "tv episodic" Meaning you could get away with that in a tv series but it probably wouldn't work out for a movie due to predictability.
     
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  25. FlawlessVictory

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    You are seriously wondering? You really don't think that in the end Superman, Lois and Jason will end up together? Richard will end up dying heroically somehow. Totally predictable.
     
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