Could BND have been done with a Married Spidey?

Okay, let's accept the basic premise that all the stories in which Peter and MJ were married could have worked just as well with Peter and MJ just being in a relationship and living together--which is what Marvel has been saying since One More Day ended and Brand New Day began (although it is a little weird to suggest that such a life changing event such as being married really had no effect what so ever on the course of your life, but whatever). As you said, Spidey would still fight the guy bitten by the "radioactive rabbit" regardless of whether or not he was married because it's, essentially, the same story.

Well, then, if it doesn't matter if Spider-Man was married or single in those stories in which he was supposed to be married, then can we assume then that it wouldn't matter if Spider-Man was married or single in Brand New Day? According to Marvel and Mr. Slott, it's no. Because his being single was integral for those stories to work. Furthermore, he says that changing it otherwise makes it a different story and that playing a "what if?" game because the stories have already been told.

So does that mean then that, since chagning the stories in which Peter Parker was married is something one can't do because it was integral for Spider-Man to be married in order for those stories to work? According the Marvel and Mr. Slott, the answer is no. Because those stories, they say, could work just as well with Peter and MJ being a couple living together as opposed to being married.

But doesn't that contradict the idea that Dan Slott proposed that changing an element of a story, such as a characters marital status, no longer make it the same story and thus become a different story? According to Marvel and Dan Slott, apparently not.

What I'm saying is that if we accept the idea that stories in which Peter was married can be changed for him to become single and still be considered the same story, then you can just as easily say the same thing about the Brand New Day stories. But if we accept the idea that the stories in Brand New Day should not be changed because then they would be different stories if Peter was married instead of single, then we should be able to argue that you could easily say the same thing about those stories in which Peter was married.


This is about as ironclad an argument as it's possible to make. I think it's obvious the answer to my original question (the thread title), is definitely, yes, BND could certainly have been done with Spidey married.

That's what I figured.
 
Yeah, I think it could have. And I probably would have preferred it that way, but I'll admit I AM liking the current direction ASM is going in. There are some pretty good stories happening.

OMD and BND were fumbles to me but it's pretty obvious that they're recovering from them and moving forward.
 
Uhhmmmm... with this comment, you're kinda contradicting yourself because you've been telling us that making Peter & MJ "single", an added detail to a story, makes those 20 years of stories "different"... yet you state otherwise in your aforementioned comment.

Also, as I have been repeating myself over and over on this... if Spider-Man encounters a guy bitten by a radioactive rabbit in ASM #302, whether he was married or not, does not change the fact that he encountered a guy bitten by a radioactive rabbit in ASM #302, thus (and if I may use your own words here) making it "still the same story".

Unless I'm misinterpreting your points....

:huh: :huh: :huh:
I thought the idea was that the past stories still happened. There was no actual change to history it's just that everyone remembers it differently. So Peter did still fight the rabbit in issue 302 and was married at the time. He just doesn't remember the marriage part. It's those "little details" that are different.

But I don't know. I stopped reading Spidey because DD no longer knows who Spider-Man is. :csad:
 
I thought the idea was that the past stories still happened. There was no actual change to history it's just that everyone remembers it differently. So Peter did still fight the rabbit in issue 302 and was married at the time. He just doesn't remember the marriage part. It's those "little details" that are different.

But I don't know. I stopped reading Spidey because DD no longer knows who Spider-Man is. :csad:

He doesn't? Oh that's just ******ed.
 
I thought the idea was that the past stories still happened. There was no actual change to history it's just that everyone remembers it differently. So Peter did still fight the rabbit in issue 302 and was married at the time. He just doesn't remember the marriage part. It's those "little details" that are different.

But I don't know. I stopped reading Spidey because DD no longer knows who Spider-Man is. :csad:

No see, there was no change to the actual history, except for the marriage, which was changed, but without changing anything else.
 
But I don't know. I stopped reading Spidey because DD no longer knows who Spider-Man is. :csad:

But Spider-Man still remembers the identities of all the heroes who have revealed themselves to him...

In an as of yet revealed storyline, Peter did make some kind of arrangement with someone to not only make EVERYBODY forget his identity, but possibly also throw people off from "guessing" his identity... as seen in the recent Kraven story & NWTD...

:yay:
 
No see, there was no change to the actual history, except for the marriage, which was changed, but without changing anything else.

But was history actually changed and they were never married or is it that everyone remembers it different? :huh:
 
But was history actually changed and they were never married or is it that everyone remembers it different? :huh:

According to what they're saying... history was changed so that they were never married, but everything that happened did indeed happen, just with Pete & MJ as a couple rather than a "married" one...

However, as Mephisto said, a subconcious part of their souls would remember what did happen, and he would relish at their torment...
 
the real question is what did Mephisto get out of it
 
Mephisto got to make an elderly old lady live longer.

Apparently, he is like the anti-marriage fairy now.

Put a marriage underneath your pillow and he'll replace it with a very energetic healthy elderly lady.
 
According to what they're saying... history was changed so that they were never married, but everything that happened did indeed happen, just with Pete & MJ as a couple rather than a "married" one...

However, as Mephisto said, a subconcious part of their souls would remember what did happen, and he would relish at their torment...

Ok, so regardless of how stupid that is then...The old stories do still count as they did happen. So even though the characters remember it differently there's no change when it comes to reading the past stories because they did happen to a married Peter. It's like the reader is in on a secret that the characters are unaware of.






why am i in this thread...
 
the real question is what did Mephisto get out of it

Well, if anybody remembers, he gets to hear the silent screams of their souls that a small part still remembers the love that they have lost, even though both Peter & MJ do not.
 
Well, if anybody remembers, he gets to hear the silent screams of their souls that a small part still remembers the love that they have lost, even though both Peter & MJ do not.
Which is effectively meaningless to Peter and MJ. It still sounds like Peter got a new life and his aunt back for absolutely nothing, given that he doesn't remember his marriage or losing it in any tangible, meaningful way.
 
It's the same power thrill he gets everytime that a man defies God by lubing up and sticking his dick into an anus.
 
It's the same power thrill he gets everytime that a man defies God by lubing up and sticking his dick into an anus.

What about farm animals or juicy fruits (the "grows from the Earth from a seed" kind; ie, watermelon)?

Do they count?

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:
 
Mephisto got to make an elderly old lady live longer.

Apparently, he is like the anti-marriage fairy now.

Put a marriage underneath your pillow and he'll replace it with a very energetic healthy elderly lady.

That wouldn't really be an "anti" marriage fairy. He'd just be a marriage fairy, taking marriages the way the Tooth Fairy takes teeth.
 
Ah......Just a regular ol' Marriage Fairy....i git it...lol...thanks! :cwink:
 
This thread has gone way downhill.... No way Dan's comin back here now :(
 
Dude, this thread started downhill.

Pumpkin****ing is arguably the best place it could have gone.
 

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