Could Ms. Marvel carry a film franchise?

[The Overlord]

She's fought Deathbird, Sabretooth, Rogue, Mystique, HYDRA, various A.I.M. supervillains like MODOK and the Doomsday Man. She's also fought the Brood, a crazy sorcerer, an entire army of Skrulls, various Avengers foes, and last year she let the Puppet Master commit suicide.

Recurring cast is pretty short. She's got lots of friends from Wolverine to the Starjammers. But she's undergone so many changes to have a constant supporting character.

Aren't most of villains rights tied up with other characters' franchises and no fixed supporting cast or just borrowing supporting casts from other heroes? A Ms. Marvel movie won't have the rights to most of those characters.
Frankly it doesn't seem lke her mythos is deep enough to support a movie.

 

[The Major]

Aren't most of villains rights tied up with other characters' franchises and no fixed supporting cast or just borrowing supporting casts from other heroes?

A Ms. Marvel movie won't have the rights to most of those characters.
Frankly it doesn't seem lke her mythos is deep enough to support a movie.

Carol should be able to get any Avengers villains, AIM and Hydra. She should be able to get the Kree. The Skrulls might be out of her hands with FF but there is a way around that. Marvel could give her the Chitauri from The Ultimates or a similar analog species created just for her. They can use her parents. Its better that Carol lose any connections to the X-men, she needs to stand on her own which she can accomplish. My mind's blank on any other supporting cast and villains that's her's in Claremont's run but I'm sure there are some and there's also the option of creating new characters. Deathbird might be unusable, but they can just use some other new analog based on her with similar features. Just give her another name, new design and a new species. Carol should be able to have Agent Wu, Sleep Walker, Machine Man, Mar-Vell.

 

[T-CLIPSE]

Bad argument. All those movies bombed because they were bad movies not because what the lead character's gender was.

No it's a good arguement, I don't care if those movies had the best script in the world and the best visual effects ever, the truth is that women spend their movie going dollars on 'Sex And The City', 'The Breakup', 'What Happens in Vegas', 'Baby Mama', 'Confessions of A Shopaholic', and that romantic comedy type stuff.

Very few females are going to get up off their couch and spend their money on a movie called Ms. Marvel, it's just not their thing, women don't care about superhero movies,...it's that simple, and men aren't going to a movie called Ms. Marvel either because guys just don't care about female super heroes.

They could have made the lead characters into men and those films still would have sucked.

Oh is that right, well how about this, Daredevil had a male lead actor and people talk about Daredevil like it's the worst movie they've ever seen, the critics hated it and the fans hated it,... but you know what... Daredevil DIDN'T BOMB, how do you explain that?.. simple,.. GUYS wanted to see it.

It doesn't matter how many people say the movie sucks or how much it actually does suck, if you've got a large enough demographic who still wants to see it (GUYS) then they'll go see it, guys go to superhero movies,....women could care less about them.

Ms. Marvel could be the best movie ever made,..and no one would ever know.

 

[Red Mask]

No it's a good arguement, I don't care if those movies had the best script in the world and the best visual effects ever, the truth is that women spend their movie going dollars on 'Sex And The City', 'The Breakup', 'What Happens in Vegas', 'Baby Mama', 'Confessions of A Shopaholic', and that romantic comedy type stuff.

Very few females are going to get up off their couch and spend their money on a movie called Ms. Marvel, it's just not their thing, women don't care about superhero movies,...it's that simple, and men aren't going to a movie called Ms. Marvel either because guys just don't care about female super heroes.

Ms. Marvel could be the best movie ever made,..and no one would ever know.

I've read enough women's articles to show they do have an interest in superhero films and want a superheroine film too. Major is right, but the market and direction still can't get the right angle to make a profitable leading heroine.

 

[Red Mask]

Aren't most of villains rights tied up with other characters' franchises and no fixed supporting cast or just borrowing supporting casts from other heroes? A Ms. Marvel movie won't have the rights to most of those characters.
Frankly it doesn't seem lke her mythos is deep enough to support a movie.

This is where the Blade film can be used as an example. The character was obscure. But the right story and direction proved it could be done without sticking close to the comics.

We've learned that no character needs to be adapted exactly on to film. But we fans now feel justified that past success will lead to more faithful adaptions. Somebody can just invent a new villain if he or she is smart enough.

 

[marcvader]

I doubt this movie would have the Ms.Marvel name in it's title. Can you imagine the ribbing single guys would get when they told noncomic fans what movie they were watching that night.

 

[T-CLIPSE]

but the market and direction still can't get the right angle to make a profitable leading heroine.

Okay try this, the market and direction did get the right angle, remember Tomb Raider,...that was a profitable leading heroine, Resident Evil,..that movie had a profitable leading heroine, have you ever stopped to ask yourself why those female lead movies were successful and why those other female lead movies just didn't cut it?...it's simple,...

...it's because they were video game properties..and what's the primary demographic sitting around playing video games?.....guys.

Guys wanted to see Tomb Raider, guys wanted to see Resident Evil, guys fuel the movie industry in action, sci-fi, and the superhero genre...and what's the primary demographic sitting around reading superhero comic books?....thank you.

If you see a guy sitting in a romantic comedy movie it's because his girlfriend or his wife wanted to see it and he just had to tag along. Yeah they call those romantic comedies "date movies" but nothing is further from the truth because the whole time that guy is sitting there he could care less about 'Sex And The City' and would just as soon be at home playing with his X-Box.

Drama and Horror movies are the true "date movies" because those movies are kind of split down the middle of equal interest between both genders and each wants to see it.

Women want romance, comedy, drama and horror.

Guys want action, sci-fi, drama, horror,....and superheroes.

 

[The Major]

I doubt this movie would have the Ms.Marvel name in it's title. Can you imagine the ribbing single guys would get when they told noncomic fans what movie they were watching that night.

Carol can use the Warbird codename.

 

[The Overlord]

This is where the Blade film can be used as an example. The character was obscure. But the right story and direction proved it could be done without sticking close to the comics.

We've learned that no character needs to be adapted exactly on to film. But we fans now feel justified that past success will lead to more faithful adaptions. Somebody can just invent a new villain if he or she is smart enough.

How many villains invented for the movies didn't suck? Very few. inventing new villains who aren't just knock offs of some other, more establish villains is an extremely difficult task.

Carol should be able to get any Avengers villains, AIM and Hydra. She should be able to get the Kree. The Skrulls might be out of her hands with FF but there is a way around that. Marvel could give her the Chitauri from The Ultimates or a similar analog species created just for her. They can use her parents. Its better that Carol lose any connections to the X-men, she needs to stand on her own which she can accomplish. My mind's blank on any other supporting cast and villains that's her's in Claremont's run but I'm sure there are some and there's also the option of creating new characters. Deathbird might be unusable, but they can just use some other new analog based on her with similar features. Just give her another name, new design and a new species. Carol should be able to have Agent Wu, Sleep Walker, Machine Man, Mar-Vell.

That doesn't answer my questions who is her nemesis, not some villains she borrowed from someone else when they aren't looking, who is her most important villain, which villain would have to use off the bat to make the movie work, which villan has the most personal relationship with her and which villain can hold a whole movie.

Also what important storylines does she have in the comics?

 

[The Major]

How many villains invented for the movies didn't suck? Very few. inventing new villains who aren't just knock offs of some other, more establish villains is an extremely difficult task.

Not in the hands of good film makers.

That doesn't answer my questions who is her nemesis,

She doesn't really have one. Deathbird was her semi-nemesis in Claremont's run but they haven't fought in decades. The Skrulls see her as a huge enemy since she's messed up their plans and is an ally of Mar-Vell.

not some villains she borrowed from someone else when they aren't looking,

Most of her enemies come from somewhere else, unfortunately.

who is her most important villain,

She doesn't have one yet but she does have access to enemies or their analogues which could be important in a movie.

which villain would have to use off the batt o make the movie work,

Personally I'd use the Skrulls. Deathbird could work, as well.

which villan has the most personal relationship with her

Kru, the Brood queen, Deathbird.

which villain can hold a whole movie.

The Brood, MODOK's son from AIM, Deathbird.

Also what important storylines does she have in the comics?

Her origin story line in Claremont's run, the various Deathbird arcs in Claremont's run, Carol's self destruction with alcohol when she attempts to be a good super-hero in Busiek's Avengers, hunting her friends for the Iniative, Team Thunderstrike. Claremont and Brian Reed's runs are full of good story lines to mine.

 

[Lobo]

Cru should be the villain if Ms marvel ever gets a film, and if a sequel then use Warren Traveller, he's a GREAT villain IMO.

 

[The Major]

Cru should be the villain if Ms marvel ever gets a film,

Agreed.

and if a sequel then use Warren Traveller, he's a GREAT villain IMO.

Haven't read any comics with him, what's he like?

 

[Lobo]

Sir Warren Traveller is the sorcerer supreme from an alternate earth, but he's mentally unstable and the more magic he uses, the crazier he gets.

Here's a link to a bio http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/travelerwarren.htm

 

[Red Mask]

Carol can use the Warbird codename.

Too 1990's. I have bad memories of films like Ravenhawk and Nemesis.

 

[Red Mask]

Okay try this, the market and direction did get the right angle, remember Tomb Raider,...that was a profitable leading heroine, Resident Evil,..that movie had a profitable leading heroine, have you ever stopped to ask yourself why those female lead movies were successful and why those other female lead movies just didn't cut it?...it's simple,...

...it's because they were video game properties..and what's the primary demographic sitting around playing video games?.....guys.

Actually a lot of women did like Tomb Raider because of Angelina Jolie, as terrible as those movies really were. Female fans of zombie films don't point to Resident Evil. They go for the classics like Romero's old work. The female fans who did enjoy Resident Evil quickly learned they were action films. But you'd be surprised how many women loved Sigourney Weaver's role as Ripley in the Alien films. So marketing and direction is still a hit and miss.

and what's the primary demographic sitting around reading superhero comic books?....thank you.

How strange that the X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man; and Batman franchises have a huge variety of fans who aren't comicbook geeks. Isn't that why Hollywood decided to cash in on them?

If you see a guy sitting in a romantic comedy movie it's because his girlfriend or his wife wanted to see it and he just had to tag along. Yeah they call those romantic comedies "date movies" but nothing is further from the truth because the whole time that guy is sitting there he could care less about 'Sex And The City' and would just as soon be at home playing with his X-Box.

So what? Women still enjoyed watching films with leading women like Julia Roberts in "Erin Brockovich" and "The Pelican Brief".

Drama and Horror movies are the true "date movies" because those movies are kind of split down the middle of equal interest between both genders and each wants to see it.

Women want romance, comedy, drama and horror.

Guys want action, sci-fi, drama, horror,....and superheroes.

And yet whole families went to see X-Men and Spider-Man. If they didn't learn to incorporate drama with sci-fi and romance we wouldn't have the PG-13 rating from the 1980's.

 

[Hypestyle]

Ali Larter for Carol! (or has that been said already)...