Could the world declare war against the U.S.?

[lazur]

Tonight is Friday night and I've been partying a bit. I know how that may sound when preceding a more serious insight, but that's just how it is for the moment.

I wonder, could the next world war, say WWIII, happen because the world (or most of it) declares war against the U.S.? Of course, the absolute outcome would be the defeat of the U.S. and while we're under attack by, say, 20 other nations, their troops climbing our beaches, their planes flying overhead and bombing our homes, we'd have to know it with absolute certainty. Imagine the terror. Imagine clutching your children.

This wouldn't be like Red Dawn with just ONE nation attacking us, after all. This would be from many, many nations simultaneously. And who knows which nation would invade YOUR part of the country? Maybe the Chinese would, I bet that'd be a treat to be captured by them! Or maybe the Norwegian? Who knows, maybe they won't execute you on the spot?

I can't help but wonder if this is a cyclic thing though, where one nation (or smaller body politic) hording so much wealth and gluttony, kind of implodes upon itself, seen by the world as like a diseased bully who must stop inflicting its infection upon the rest of humanity ... invading other areas when it sees something that doesn't quite agree with its line of thinking.

Sounds sort of like cancer.

I wonder if this has happened a thousand times before - an overbearing (and over confident) mammoth needing to be put into its place by the rest of the herd?

So yeah, this isn't my typical approach to the world, but hey, tonight's an exceptional night, so who cares?

Tomorrow, I'll be heading out with the girl of my dreams to a local ren faire. She's quite the beaut, I gotta say. And what really truly matters is I know exactly what she's looking for and how to provide it.

My job is something to absolutely die for. I work as a lead designer making video games for christ sake ... how cool is that!? Been at it for six years and STILL can't believe what I'm doing.

And I have a beautiful teenage daughter who needs me more than she needs air sometimes, but who struggles to become more independant and assured with her ever changing environment. She has the spirit of a child along with the reluctance of an adult. Just a wonder of beauty representing the most tender parts of life. Just a striking living contradiction comprised of wild, untamed emotion and a longing to be accepted the likes of which I've never seen. I can't imagine my life without her and I can't remember my life before her. And while I'm so happy that she's growing up and will soon become a beautiful woman, I'm sad that the wholeness of her innocence, it's raw power, is being swept away, as if sand through my fingers. It's a wonderful thing, but it's also so damned hard.

Maybe I'm just being selfish, rellishing what I have more than I should. Or maybe not enough? How short life is anyway, I think, so what if is someone comes in and ends it a little sooner than it would have ended otherwise? Just enjoy yourself and enjoy the time you're here while you have it, to hell with the rest?

Will my spending much time thinking about it even matter? Probably not.

What really matters to me are those things I mentioned - not WWIII, not the war in Iraq, not politics, not all of the external baggage I'm not even carrying, but that infringes upon my "space" anyway, while also blocking out the sun.

Maybe tomorrow when I wake up and read over what I've written here tonight, I'll disappear from these boards. Or maybe I'll stay. Maybe others can relate. Whatever the case, I guess I'll go with whatever I'm feeling at the time.

Anyway, my friends are calling, so carry on whatever it was you were doing ...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No, the United States has a) the most nukes of any country, so'd you'd have to be fairly foolish, or a fanatic and b) we are far to important economically. Why do you think people have no declared war against North Korea or China, the economic ramifications would be far too high.

We aren't untouchable. But England, France, and several other nations are still our allies. You have to understand people hate "George Bush", not America.

 

[thewhitequeen]

No. It's not really possibel at this time. The American defense expenditures in 2005 were estimated to be greater than the next 14 largest national military budgets combined. This makes the American army considered the strongest in the world. Additionally, the US has more nuclear weapons than any other country. This is the US's hard power. This is the reason the world wouldn't attack-- fear of death followed by a US emperial world government.

This is not the only reason, however. The US also has extremely viable soft power. Most people don't really want to attack the country that sets the standard in "cool." The US still has meaning to a lot of people outside the country that emphasises freedom and democracy. The american dream is still idolized by many people, whether or not this is always obvious from inside the US. In short most people don't want to kill MTV.

 

[lazur]

No, the United States has a) the most nukes of any country, so'd you'd have to be fairly foolish, or a fanatic and b) we are far to important economically. Why do you think people have no declared war against North Korea or China, the economic ramifications would be far to high.

Okay, we're staying at my place for a bit.

I thought of that, too, but we wouldn't know WHICH countries are attacking us. They would simply show up one day out of the blue, bombing us and storming our beaches.

Perhaps there'd be ways of manipulating technologies so that we wouldn't even be aware that it was happening until it was happening. It's not inconceivable to think that another country could come up with a technology that allows stealthy movement undetectable by a satellite or radar.

But...even if we did see it coming, would we see ALL of it coming? And would we know for sure WHO it was that was coming?

Plus, if they know where our nukes are (it seems kinda silly to think that they don't), who's to say they wouldn't plan a course of action that would neutralize as many as possible before we got them all off? Would part of the world get nuked? Probably and most likely. But would ALL of it or even HALF of it? Ugh, probably not.

Point being - maybe getting rid of the "infection" costs LESS in total life, even if it costs more life up front. So would the world be willing to, say, give up 50% of its occupants to get rid of the U.S.?

I'm not sure I really *want* to hear the answer to that.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Okay, we're staying at my place for a bit.

I thought of that, too, but we wouldn't know WHICH countries are attacking us. They would simply show up one day out of the blue, bombing us and storming our beaches.

Perhaps there'd be ways of manipulating technologies so that we wouldn't even be aware that it was happening until it was happening. It's not inconceivable to think that another country could come up with a technology that allows stealthy movement undetectable by a satellite or radar.

But...even if we did see it coming, would we see ALL of it coming? And would we know for sure WHO it was that was coming?

Plus, if they know where our nukes are (it seems kinda silly to think that they don't), who's to say they wouldn't plan a course of action that would neutralize as many as possible before we got them all off? Would part of the world get nuked? Probably and most likely. But would ALL of it or even HALF of it? Ugh, probably not.

Point being - maybe getting rid of the "infection" costs LESS in total life, even if it costs more life up front. So would the world be willing to, say, give up 50% of its occupants to get rid of the U.S.?

I'm not sure I really *want* to hear the answer to that.

Well couple things you should know. If a nuke is fired at this country the nuke path is locked onto and a missle is fired back automatically from a bunker in New Mexico. And it nukes the country of origin from which the attack occurred.

Number two: usually I don't recommend comics as truth, but read Ultimates vol. 2. Which is kind of what your talking about. Covert operation taking out America. Ultimates would careful in noting that America fights back, not just with our military but with our people. Our people are our greatest resource.

Also I got to say Europe would come to our aid, including France. The world owes this country big time. The country means more to most of the world than it's figurehead. As I said people don't like Bush, but immigrants still come by the boatload to start a new life here.

 

[Sandman138]

Lazur is making me feel confusey feelings... at least one of us is drunk?

 

[lazur]

Well couple things you should know. If a nuke is fired at this country the nuke path is locked onto and a missle is fired back automatically from a bunker in New Mexico. And it nukes the country of origin from which the attack occurred.

True, but I'm not talking aout us being nuked. I'm talking full scale invasion, air, land and sea. How do you nuke that?

Number two: usually I don't recommend comics as truth, but read Ultimates vol. 2. Which is kind of what your talking about. Covert operation taking out America. Ultimates would careful in noting that America fights back, not just with our military but with our people. Our people are our greatest resource.

I absolutely agree. But if an invasion force were the strength of 20 nations, it would be overwhelming force and this (or any other country) *would* fall.

Also I got to say Europe would come to our aid, including France. The world owes this country big time. The country means more to most of the world than it's figurehead. As I said people don't like Bush, but immigrants still come by the boatload to start a new life here.

Well my argument is supposing that for years now, our "allies" have also been conspiring against us and may even be on the front lines. After all, if you think about it, how often is the U.S. putting its allies between a rock and a hard place with foreign policy? Seems only logical that they'd be the first ones to want that burden off their backs. After all, it's easy to betray a friend when you're smiling at them the whole time.

 

[Spider-Bite]

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Well couple things you should know. If a nuke is fired at this country the nuke path is locked onto and a missle is fired back automatically from a bunker in New Mexico. And it nukes the country of origin from which the attack occurred.

that's not true at all. we have researcehrs working on missile defense but we are decades away from having anything that could stop a missile once it's been fired.

 

[Spider-Bite]

True, but I'm not talking aout us being nuked. I'm talking full scale invasion, air, land and sea. How do you nuke that?



I absolutely agree. But if an invasion force were the strength of 20 nations, it would be overwhelming force and this (or any other country) *would* fall.



Well my argument is supposing that for years now, our "allies" have also been conspiring against us and may even be on the front lines. After all, if you think about it, how often is the U.S. putting its allies between a rock and a hard place with foreign policy? Seems only logical that they'd be the first ones to want that burden off their backs. After all, it's easy to betray a friend when you're smiling at them the whole time.

we would see the ships and planes coming before they got close, and we would take them out with missiles. We have an incredibly strong airforce and NAVY. Mexico and Canada, the only countries who wouldn't be effected by that don't have the manpower to successfully win an invasion. That would be a groundfight, and we would win that very easily. The only for the world to successfully take us out would be with nuclear terrorist attacks. Sneaking a bomb into the country and setting it off in a crowded city. If that happened it would hurt our economy which would hurt our military strength.

 

[SoulManX]

If I was the government I would be worry about another Civil War than another country attacking...I just feel that people are getting fed up with Rep and Dems....IMHO.

 

[Iceman]

You have amazing spelling, grammar and clarity of thought for a drunk. I believe anything can happen over fifty or so years. The last world war was only sixty years ago but it would be unthinkable for the same sides to go to war today. Alliances can unpredictably shift as the influence of large countries like Russia, China and India improve along with their economies. The influence of the US will slowly decrease over the next few decades.

 

[Spider-Bite]

You have amazing spelling, grammar and clarity of thought for a drunk. I believe anything can happen over fifty or so years. The last world war was only sixty years ago but it would be unthinkable for the same sides to go to war today. Alliances can unpredictably shift as the influence of large countries like Russia, China and India improve along with their economies. The influence of the US will slowly decrease over the next few decades.

I don't believe the United States will be the world's strongest super power forever. I was talking about current strengths. The question wasn't whether future military's will be able to take us out.

I type fast and I'm constantly rewording my sentences, and sometimes I forget to remove or add certain words.

 

[Fanticon]

thats a rediculous concept (original poster)...aside from loss of life...the world, or other countries have too much to lose by attempting something like that...and as things go...if, and I mean a giant IF...the countries would then fight over eachother after the U.S. is overrun...and then destroy eachother fighting for who should be the new world power.

 

[Venom Drool]

ball sack

 

[USMC]

Tonight is Friday night and I've been partying a bit. I know how that may sound when preceding a more serious insight, but that's just how it is for the moment.

I wonder, could the next world war, say WWIII, happen because the world (or most of it) declares war against the U.S.? Of course, the absolute outcome would be the defeat of the U.S. and while we're under attack by, say, 20 other nations, their troops climbing our beaches, their planes flying overhead and bombing our homes, we'd have to know it with absolute certainty. Imagine the terror. Imagine clutching your children.

This wouldn't be like Red Dawn with just ONE nation attacking us, after all. This would be from many, many nations simultaneously. And who knows which nation would invade YOUR part of the country? Maybe the Chinese would, I bet that'd be a treat to be captured by them! Or maybe the Norwegian? Who knows, maybe they won't execute you on the spot?

I can't help but wonder if this is a cyclic thing though, where one nation (or smaller body politic) hording so much wealth and gluttony, kind of implodes upon itself, seen by the world as like a diseased bully who must stop inflicting its infection upon the rest of humanity ... invading other areas when it sees something that doesn't quite agree with its line of thinking.

Sounds sort of like cancer.

I wonder if this has happened a thousand times before - an overbearing (and over confident) mammoth needing to be put into its place by the rest of the herd?

So yeah, this isn't my typical approach to the world, but hey, tonight's an exceptional night, so who cares?

Tomorrow, I'll be heading out with the girl of my dreams to a local ren faire. She's quite the beaut, I gotta say. And what really truly matters is I know exactly what she's looking for and how to provide it.

My job is something to absolutely die for. I work as a lead designer making video games for christ sake ... how cool is that!? Been at it for six years and STILL can't believe what I'm doing.

And I have a beautiful teenage daughter who needs me more than she needs air sometimes, but who struggles to become more independant and assured with her ever changing environment. She has the spirit of a child along with the reluctance of an adult. Just a wonder of beauty representing the most tender parts of life. Just a striking living contradiction comprised of wild, untamed emotion and a longing to be accepted the likes of which I've never seen. I can't imagine my life without her and I can't remember my life before her. And while I'm so happy that she's growing up and will soon become a beautiful woman, I'm sad that the wholeness of her innocence, it's raw power, is being swept away, as if sand through my fingers. It's a wonderful thing, but it's also so damned hard.

Maybe I'm just being selfish, rellishing what I have more than I should. Or maybe not enough? How short life is anyway, I think, so what if is someone comes in and ends it a little sooner than it would have ended otherwise? Just enjoy yourself and enjoy the time you're here while you have it, to hell with the rest?

Will my spending much time thinking about it even matter? Probably not.

What really matters to me are those things I mentioned - not WWIII, not the war in Iraq, not politics, not all of the external baggage I'm not even carrying, but that infringes upon my "space" anyway, while also blocking out the sun.

Maybe tomorrow when I wake up and read over what I've written here tonight, I'll disappear from these boards. Or maybe I'll stay. Maybe others can relate. Whatever the case, I guess I'll go with whatever I'm feeling at the time.

Anyway, my friends are calling, so carry on whatever it was you were doing ...

I don't listen to drunks...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

thats a rediculous concept (original poster)...aside from loss of life...the world, or other countries have too much to lose by attempting something like that...and as things go...if, and I mean a giant IF...the countries would then fight over eachother after the U.S. is overrun...and then destroy eachother fighting for who should be the new world power.

I laugh at your views and user name.

 

[Darthphere]

Lazur+alcohol=CRAZY!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

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that's not true at all. we have researcehrs working on missile defense but we are decades away from having anything that could stop a missile once it's been fired.

You misunderstand. We don't stop anything. We just nuke the country of origin.

Oh no, that missile fired at us will still hit us, we will just hit them back.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

America isn't the problem. President Bush is

 

[Darthphere]

Wait, did everybody just read what Holly typed?

 

[USMC]

America isn't the problem. President Bush is

I forgot to tell you today that I love you.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

I forgot to tell you today that I love you.

It annoys me when I hear foreign people saying "I ****ing hate Americans! They're power hungry blahblah!!"

No, we just have an ape as our leader. I cant wait till he's out of office..so he can be replaced by a newer ape who we will all end up hating down the road.

 

[blind_fury]

This sounds like some fantasy scenario dreamed up by the NRA.

 

[unstoppable]

we are their source of food they can't try teh kill us they'll starve

 

[JLBats]

we are their source of food they can't try teh kill us they'll starve

Yeah, they'll lack those Florida oranges they love so much.