Curious to know if you guys took it this way...

[webhead731]

With Sandman and Uncle Ben.

I always believed it was still Peter's fault. If he had stopped the original killer, Flint wouldn't have gotten startled and accidentally pulled the trigger.

Which also means if the original guy was stopped, Flint would have just left, without killing Ben, and probably would never become Sandman. So Peter is almost responsible for another thing now.

Is that how you guys took it?

 

[SpaceWay2009]

I never thought of that. That makes sense. Either way, Peter is still responsible for Uncle Ben's death. And his action was selfish and unjustified.

 

[Venom75]

I did think about that and it does make sense and I can accept it,but it just doesn't have that impact of the ordinary criminal shooting Ben on purpose.

 

[webhead731]

Totally agree.^

But, as long as he's responsible, and it's still HIS fault I'm okay with it. But the cold blooded murder was a bit more chilling.

However, adding this really added to the subway fight in the movie.

And Venom75, love your avatar. I finally bought the first Nightmare on Elm Street and I really liked it.

 

[The Joker]

It was a lame contrived plot to make another super villain personally connected to Peter.

That was my beef with it.

 

[webhead731]

Sometimes I wonder if Raimi planned it. Just the way he didn't show it actually HAPPEN in any of the films. You heard the gun shot in the flashback but just saw Ben lying there. Peter corners Dennis (the partner) and the guy says "Just gimme a chance!" but for what? To explain that it wasn't him? Or something else?

I probably thought way too much into it.

But I didn't think it was lame at all. At first I was scared when I heard it, because it totally took away from the origin. But after I figured out it was all tied in, and still Peter's fault I thought of the possibilities. Symbiote+Pissed off Peter+Sandman=Awesome fight scene. Really added to the tension for me. Villains that connect with their heroes are just more interesting. Not ALL have to, but I like it more than "I'm gonna cause chaos everywhere because I'm bad".

To me, movie Sandman>comic Sandman.

 

[Venom75]

Obviously,it was an attempt to have Peter's beef with Marko even more personal,and it give the symbiote even more of an impact on Peter/Spidey. But,as I've said before,I don't think Sandman was needed in this film. Goblin and Venom would've been fine. Harry is(or was)Peter's best friend. Having Harry as the Goblin,commit some kind of violent act against Peter or his loved ones in order to set about his plan of revenge would've been more than enough to get Peter pissed off,especially with the symbiote at his side.

And,I'm glad you liked the avatar,webhead. Krueger is the slasher king!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It was still Peter's fault, but it was just a useless plot point that was unnecessary to the story, Sandman was sympathetic enough without adding this.

The sub-way fight could have remained the same, as The Symbiote could have been decieving Peter into thinking Marko WAs Ben's killer.

 

[SpiderRock88]

i never thought of that but now that you pointed that out i can unnderstand that interesting, eventhough i sorta disagreed with the whole Sandman killig uncle Ben thing, i realized it worked with the theme(s) for the movie

 

[Chris Wallace]

With Sandman and Uncle Ben.

I always believed it was still Peter's fault. If he had stopped the original killer, Flint wouldn't have gotten startled and accidentally pulled the trigger.

Which also means if the original guy was stopped, Flint would have just left, without killing Ben, and probably would never become Sandman. So Peter is almost responsible for another thing now.

Is that how you guys took it?

For me, yes. Many of SM3's detractors will argue that having Flint pull the trigger destroys the whole "power & responsibility" theme that the first movie was built on. But I don't think so.
I hadn't thought about Peter's indirect role in creating Sandman, though.

 

[webhead731]

Yeah. I don't think it destroys anything from the first. It kind of takes the whole chase scene intensity away, but only a bit. You have to look at it through Peter's eyes there, and what he thought. Then it's all back.

It wasn't a 100% necessary thing to do in Spider-Man 3, but I liked it. I'm happy they kept it at being Peter's fault in the long run.