Cyclops bites the dust... again?

[Kurosawa]

Ahh, yes. Every fan that hates Cyclops only do so because they're told to, right? I'm pretty sure it's a fact, you can look it up somewhere?

Pontification doesn't suit anyone.

Keep in mind, I don't hate Cyclops. I think he's a dull character, and the only time he *wasn't* dull was in the AoA. I honestly think his character needs to fly solo for a bit, and create his own identity. The only problem with always being associated with a team to the extent of being the embodiment of the team is that you lose your own individual niche in existence. Cyclops *is* the X-Men - he's not even really a person.

That said, I think he'd be rather interesting single, and even possibly not a part of the X-Men any longer. Have him leave and go to Alpha Flight, or the West Coast to start a new team, or ANYTHING.

You see, me? I don't like whoever is "cool," Kurosawa. I like who is interesting. Make Cyclops interesting, and I'll like him. Otherwise he's as interesting as any other Paladin - and that's not at all.

I'm not opposed to the idea of him leaving the X-Men.

 

[Kotagg]

That was a little scattered, The Cleric, but I think I got what you were saying, and I can do nothing but disagree. Given a good writer and a unique story idea, I think that he could be great. Honestly, the best thing to do would be to have him leave and set up his own Mutant group, maybe somewhere where there aren't many heroes, like the West coast or up North.

 

[The Cleric]

kotagg, i was being sarcastic in my words, but i do feel as if he is not much of an independant hero. i mean, start a cyclops ongoing series and i would never buy an issue because i feel that he, like all the other xmen, depend on other xmen to be interesting, or visible. he is a leader, so his spotlight comes in leading, i know. and yes, he had his personal time with the pheonix, and cable, and emma. but after everything, he hasn't developed into an interesting charector. its the people around him that make him who he is.
Yes, i know that every charector has these supporting charectors, but cyclops is one of those charectors who somehow cant hold up his own. not that it cant happen, since brubakers taking over the AXM, and he's done incredible work in the past few years, things might turn around. but until then, i stand by the fact that cyclop is nothing more than an ordinary xman (and he is my favorite xman next to iceman).

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm not opposed to the idea of him leaving the X-Men.

Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Kotagg]

Well, it'd be the first time he left seriously.

Other times it was only a matter of a little while before he was back.

I'm asking for a genuine departure and a new evaluation of his character and goals, thrusting him into an entirely different environment on a permanent basis.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, it'd be the first time he left seriously.

Other times it was only a matter of a little while before he was back.

I'm asking for a genuine departure and a new evaluation of his character and goals, thrusting him into an entirely different environment on a permanent basis.

He left from 138-151 of Uncanny, left for 201-281 while on X-Factor. Then he left again with Jean for quiet some time during Heroes Return and he was abscent quiet a bit during the dawn of his marriage to Maddy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't really count X-Factor as "leaving." The original X-Men just basically restarted their team with a different name. The other times he definitely did leave, though. I thought it was kind of cool how he and Jean quit to spend more time as a normal, married couple in Alaska.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wouldn't really count X-Factor as "leaving." The original X-Men just basically restarted their team with a different name.

Well then technically Captain America, Iron Man and Thor never left the Avengers since they always appear in other titles.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's an oversimplification of what I said. The original X-Men "quit" the X-Men to form another team dedicated to the same goals as the X-Men were. To use your own example, I wouldn't call Iron Man leaving the Avengers to join the West Coast Avengers "Iron Man quitting the Avengers," either.

 

[Langoth]

You know, I was a huge fan of Emma Frost once... Hell, I used to love Cyclops too.

Now... now I don't care how they explain this. Dream or not, those pannels are so wrong... bring them back at the end or not.

I honestly don't care anymore, **** the X-men, and **** Marvel.

 

[Ben Urich]

You know, I was a huge fan of Emma Frost once... Hell, I used to love Cyclops too.

Now... now I don't care how they explain this. Dream or not, those pannels are so wrong... bring them back at the end or not.

I honestly don't care anymore, **** the X-men, and **** Marvel.

What the deuce, Emma is one of the only X-Men worth caring about.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That's an oversimplification of what I said. The original X-Men "quit" the X-Men to form another team dedicated to the same goals as the X-Men were. To use your own example, I wouldn't call Iron Man leaving the Avengers to join the West Coast Avengers "Iron Man quitting the Avengers," either.

First off, no they did not. Iceman (who had been an accountant), Beast and Angel had been solo for quiet some time at that point. Jean had been dead and Cyclops had quit after a fight with Storm. But the point still stands. The X-Factor is about as affiliated with the X-Men as the champions or Avengers. Cyclops quit the X-Men, what he was doing in the meantime is a moot point since anyone who was reading X-Men wasn't going to see Cyclops in it.

 

[Langoth]

Cared about her a lot more before Morrison's run Ben, a lot more.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

First off, no they did not. Iceman (who had been an accountant), Beast and Angel had been solo for quiet some time at that point. Jean had been dead and Cyclops had quit after a fight with Storm. But the point still stands. The X-Factor is about as affiliated with the X-Men as the champions or Avengers. Cyclops quit the X-Men, what he was doing in the meantime is a moot point since anyone who was reading X-Men wasn't going to see Cyclops in it.

You're arguing semantics now. Kotagg said that Cyclops should quit the X-Men and go off on his own for a while, to develop more of a personality. You said he did that during the issues listed. I pointed out that quitting one team to form another team with the same mission and similar membership doesn't really count. Maybe I should've been more clear and pointed out it didn't quite count for what Kotagg was saying.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You're arguing semantics now. Kotagg said that Cyclops should quit the X-Men and go off on his own for a while, to develop more of a personality. You said he did that during the issues listed. I pointed out that quitting one team to form another team with the same mission and similar membership doesn't really count. Maybe I should've been more clear and pointed out it didn't quite count for what Kotagg was saying.

Well then the abscence from 138-151 certainly covers that.

 

[Tropico]

He was supposed to get a new personality after the Apocalypse thing and briefly had one, they just decided to revert him to type.

Kotagg, just because you don't find the appeal of a paladin doesn't mean that the character type is boring or un-interesting by default.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As boring as Cyclops' normal personality has become, that new personality after Apocalypse was just not right for him at all. That personality and the fact that Sal Larroca drew him with long, hippie hair made him feel like Gambit Lite.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Scott should take a few pointers from Hank Pym when it comes to the ladys.

 

[Kotagg]

Kotagg, just because you don't find the appeal of a paladin doesn't mean that the character type is boring or un-interesting by default.

What? I never tried to force my opinions on someone else. I thought it was obviously apparent that I was sharing my opinion of the character.

 

[Vanguard07]

Scott should take a few pointers from Hank Pym when it comes to the ladys.

LOL you mean he should beat them?
I wouldnt mind seeing Emma take a good beating i guess. I really really hate her.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Problem with Cyclops is people look at him and think "four-eyed nerd".

Guess it´s a reflex, one look at those glasses and all his leadership skills, field experience, combat skills, tactical mind, goes out the window.
Dude needs either a character design revamp or a Black Bolt-type power boost

He´s a war veteran, he should instil the level of respect Nick Fury or Cap does.

What appeals to me about Cyclops is that he is both a nerd and a badass. He is a shy, insecure and socially awkward geek who has learned to be a leader and a warrior because he had to. Sure, Cyclops should be written as being tough as nails, but he should not wear his toughness on his sleeve. He should most of all be down-to-Earth and even kind of adorkable.

 

[Tropico]

What? I never tried to force my opinions on someone else. I thought it was obviously apparent that I was sharing my opinion of the character.

Otherwise he's as interesting as any other Paladin - and that's not at all.

Really? Huh, funny...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

LOL you mean he should beat them?
I wouldnt mind seeing Emma take a good beating i guess. I really really hate her.

I think whenever a character steps out of line (like Emma FRost questioning other's decisions and leadership *cough*Hellions*cough*) Captain America should appear out of nowhere, shield slap them across the face then leave.

Here I'll show you

Emma Frost: And another thing: The only reason you're leader is because Xavier had nothing better for you...

Captain America: Hey Emma, what did the stars and stripes stay to the face....

Giant Star Spangled shield slaps Emma across the face. SLAP!
Captain America runs out of the room

Cyclops: Hey thanks Cap.....

And yet again the day is saved from another b****y ex-villian wife who has nothing better to do than f*** you and seduce you away from your wife, then make you feel guilty about it. Making them pay, the American way. Captain America's way!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What appeals to me about Cyclops is that he is both a nerd and a badass. He is a shy, insecure and socially awkward geek who has learned to be a leader and a warrior because he had to. Sure, Cyclops should be written as being tough as nails, but he should not wear his toughness on his sleeve. He should most of all be down-to-Earth and even kind of adorkable.

Ironically, the X-Men movies, which treat Cyclops like utter **** through and through, have a great Cyclops moment in that respect. In the first movie, when Wolverine grabs Cyclops in Xavier's office and tells him all threateningly, "You want to get out of my way," and Scott just looks at him, then looks over to the professor with a subtle, "wtf is up with this dude?" look. He doesn't fight back against Wolverine, he doesn't get all defensive, he doesn't do anything; he just looks over to the professor knowing full well that he could blast Wolverine into another state if he needed to.

 

[Vanguard07]

some of my favorite moments from cyclops were during the eve of destruction storyline where him and wolverine invaded genosha alone. And then Cyke and Magneto threw down one on one for a bit.

Some of the dialogue between logan and cyke was great.
Logan "yeah i'll give him a hard time but i'd follow this guy into the mouth of hell itself without thinking about it."
"the guy may not seem like much but he can level a mountain just by looking at it.... and thats not even the part that makes him dangerous."

And of course there's also those "get off my lawn" moments.