Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League

[mclay18]

Elfman is the perfect guy for this film. He can do bombast, melodrama and softer scenes wonderfully. Holkenborg can nail mood and bombast, but he's not as skilled as Elfman is. Elfman wasn't classically trained, he was like Zimmer -- both started off as self-taught musicians in a band who segued to film scoring.

Never would I imagine him doing another Batman-related film, let alone one with Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg as well.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

And Hulk and Spider-Man, and even The Avengers etc.. Elfman has done a lot of superhero scores at this point.

Yes but he's now going back to Flash and of course his most famous score was for Burton's Batman. And those two he did decades ago.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

HIS ULTRON SCORE WAS ****ing AWFUL. it was some of the most mundanr obvious superhero-e music I've heard.

Elfman only composed additional material for AoU. I'd argue the best parts of that score were Danny. Much of the work was still Brian Tyler's (who is indeed mundane).

Take a minute and actually look up some of Elfman's work. He's a brilliant composer. Will he be different than Junkie? Well, yeah. But if you're basing his ability on a score that he barely worked on (AoU), then you're not very well informed on the man's abilities.

I'm beyond thrilled by this, personally. I know it's too much to hope for, but if Danny brought back HIS Batman theme and even his Flash theme, I'd kiss the head of Warner Bros. personally.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm hoping he will really break out. He's great in almost everything. Goosebumps was a cheesy kids movie, but his score made me feel things.

As for Batman and Spider-Man, these are the greatest themes outside JW's Superman score.

 

[matt47]

Elfman only composed additional material for AoU. I'd argue the best parts of that score were Danny. Much of the work was still Brian Tyler's (who is indeed mundane).

Take a minute and actually look up some of Elfman's work. He's a brilliant composer. Will he be different than Junkie? Well, yeah. But if you're basing his ability on a score that he barely worked on (AoU), then you're not very well informed on the man's abilities.

I'm beyond thrilled by this, personally. I know it's too much to hope for, but if Danny brought back HIS Batman theme and even his Flash theme, I'd kiss the head of Warner Bros. personally.

Dude read my first comment about all this. I love a lot of his work. Spider man trilogy was amazing. I just dont think he's a fit. Which makes me scared that now this movie is something that his style will fit.

 

[Guts]

Yes, thats what I love abut the DC scores. Zimmer and Junkie's sound command your attention and are kinetic, grandiose and epic. They're not composers that make background music. Their sounds give emotional and energetic weight to the scenes they're used in.

I feel the same about Danny Elfman's Batman scores.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Dude read my first comment about all this. I love a lot of his work. Spider man trilogy was amazing. I just dont think he's a fit. Which makes me scared that now this movie is something that his style will fit.

Thing is, the uproar about Elfman and Whedon working on the film is (to a large extent) ridiculous. Whedon can only adjust the film so far given the time he has. The idea that he can alter the film enough to make it into The Avengers is ludicrous. Will he make it more general audience-friendly like his movies are? Absolutely. But he ain't re-shooting the entire movie. Anything he films has to fit with what the film already is, which is a Zack Snyder film.

Same for Danny and his score. Any composer has to fit with what he's given, hence why I won't be surprised if Danny doesn't bring back his Batman material. He will probably respect musical continuity (as he did in AoU--the entire reason he was hired was to bring Silvestri's theme back into the film), and use the existing character motifs, and he will want his material to fit the footage.

As with anything on the internet where people lose their minds, the important thing is to wait and see. Artists are flexible. Just because Danny Elfman scored Pee-wee's Big Adventure like a circus sideshow didn't mean he scored BATMAN the same way. He's also done plenty of 'normal' scores for many movies.

I had heard Junkie XL's music for BvS and hated it. I groaned when I heard he was scoring Deadpool. But what I heard was a score that could go from 'electronic-punk' for the action to genuinely stirring 'romance-drama' for the Wade Wilson scenes.

Be open minded, folks.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's funny, but Elfman has all kinds of styles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcPv6olllQ (Bombastic/Intense/noble)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YZ_YduYWuM (Emotional)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZco-y-JPI&list=PLB4EBAAFE52DB0585&index=45 (Epic)

And tearjerker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCqbOEV4csw)

I, on the other hand, want Justice League to match Elfman's epicness

 

[matt47]

Thing is, the uproar about Elfman and Whedon working on the film is (to a large extent) ridiculous. Whedon can only adjust the film so far given the time he has. The idea that he can alter the film enough to make it into The Avengers is ludicrous. Will he make it more general audience-friendly like his movies are? Absolutely. But he ain't re-shooting the entire movie. Anything he films has to fit with what the film already is, which is a Zack Snyder film.

Same for Danny and his score. Any composer has to fit with what he's given, hence why I won't be surprised if Danny doesn't bring back his Batman material. He will probably respect musical continuity (as he did in AoU--the entire reason he was hired was to bring Silvestri's theme back into the film), and use the existing character motifs, and he will want his material to fit the footage.

As with anything on the internet where people lose their minds, the important thing is to wait and see. Artists are flexible. Just because Danny Elfman scored Pee-wee's Big Adventure like a circus sideshow didn't mean he scored BATMAN the same way. He's also done plenty of 'normal' scores for many movies.

I had heard Junkie XL's music for BvS and hated it. I groaned when I heard he was scoring Deadpool. But what I heard was a score that could go from 'electronic-punk' for the action to genuinely stirring 'romance-drama' for the Wade Wilson scenes.

Be open minded, folks.

But, the editing room is where the movie is made. And Joss has control over the editing right?

 

[jemoen]

Lol I just heard the much talked Batman's theme again and kiddies don't let nostalgia trick you. This is, in no way, shape or form better than Zimmer's work, no and no.

So after listening to this ****** Avengers's score and the Batman's theme, my conclusion is
no thanks.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

But, the editing room is where the movie is made. And Joss has control over the editing right?

But how is he going to edit in jokes that aren't there in the footage (or whatever it is people are afraid of)?

Say he makes his scenes that he's shooting exactly like scenes from one of his own films... he's only shooting material that may comprise of 10% of the movie. That 10% is sure gonna clash with the 90% that Snyder shot, wouldn't it?

Unless people think Joss has a hidden agenda to derail the film (and his reputation, thereby), it is in his BEST interests to make the film work all together as a whole. Having a disjointed film that jumps around in tone is not a good idea for the film, for him or for his reputation.

Now, if someone found proof that he was actually shooting material to completely replace existing scenes that Snyder had already filmed entirely? Yeah, that could point toward a radical shift for JL. But he's doing the reshoots that every major film has these days--material that will support and enhance the film. Had Snyder not had to walk away from it, he would have directed the reshoots. What Whedon's doing right now was going to happen anyway. The reshoots are not happening because Whedon wanted to alter the film.

Joss had already been working on the film with Snyder--so the film was already going to have more of his stamp on it.

The most basic fact is this: WB wants JL to be more successful than BvS was (despite what it grossed, people forget that studios only make about half of the box office gross--so BvS barely turned them a profit). Movie studios have always only cared about money. So if WB feels that making their movies more like Marvel will make them more money, then they will do it.

The general audience didn't like BvS the way many of its fans did--and the general audience is where the money for every movie really comes from. Not diehard fans. Bringing on Whedon was a step done to better court the general audience. So say what you will about Whedon's involvement, but anything he does was already set in motion and isn't being done now in the reshoots.

tl;dr--the film is going to be exactly the way it was if Snyder had not walked away, with the exception of Elfman being composer. But still, he has to match the footage.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Lol I just heard the much talked Batman's theme again and kiddies don't let nostalgia trick you. This is, in no way, shape or form better than Zimmer's work, no and no.

So after listening to this ****** Avengers's score and the Batman's theme, my conclusion is
no thanks.

I didn't know your opinion was the official truth of the universe. Thanks!

 

[matt47]

Lol I just heard the much talked Batman's theme again and kiddies don't let nostalgia trick you. This is, in no way, shape or form better than Zimmer's work, no and no.

So after listening to this ****** Avengers's score and the Batman's theme, my conclusion is
no thanks.

Speak the truth.

 

[Guts]

But how is he going to edit in jokes that aren't there in the footage (or whatever it is people are afraid of)?

Say he makes his scenes that he's shooting exactly like scenes from one of his own films... he's only shooting material that may comprise of 10% of the movie. That 10% is sure gonna clash with the 90% that Snyder shot, wouldn't it?

Unless people think Joss has a hidden agenda to derail the film (and his reputation, thereby), it is in his BEST interests to make the film work all together as a whole. Having a disjointed film that jumps around in tone is not a good idea for the film, for him or for his reputation.

Now, if someone found proof that he was actually shooting material to completely replace existing scenes that Snyder had already filmed entirely? Yeah, that could point toward a radical shift for JL. But he's doing the reshoots that every major film has these days--material that will support and enhance the film. Had Snyder not had to walk away from it, he would have directed the reshoots. What Whedon's doing right now was going to happen anyway. The reshoots are not happening because Whedon wanted to alter the film.

Joss had already been working on the film with Snyder--so the film was already going to have more of his stamp on it.

The most basic fact is this: WB wants JL to be more successful than BvS was (despite what it grossed, people forget that studios only make about half of the box office gross--so BvS barely turned them a profit). Movie studios have always only cared about money. So if WB feels that making their movies more like Marvel will make them more money, then they will do it.

The general audience didn't like BvS the way many of its fans did--and the general audience is where the money for every movie really comes from. Not diehard fans. Bringing on Whedon was a step done to better court the general audience. So say what you will about Whedon's involvement, but anything he does was already set in motion and isn't being done now in the reshoots.

tl;dr--the film is going to be exactly the way it was if Snyder had not walked away, with the exception of Elfman being composer. But still, he has to match the footage.

Except the scenes that he's shooting are scenes that Snyder asked him to write and Zack was going to film those scenes before he stepped down. If he started writing those scenes after Zack left and without Zack's oversight then I think ti would definitely clash with the rest of the movie. Joss wrote the new scenes after Zack showed him an early cut so one possibility is that Joss wrote those scenes to help fill in any plot holes or it could be to add some more character interaction or levity.

 

[Klidokrator]

Lol I just heard the much talked Batman's theme again and kiddies don't let nostalgia trick you. This is, in no way, shape or form better than Zimmer's work, no and no.

So after listening to this ****** Avengers's score and the Batman's theme, my conclusion is
no thanks.

Well you know man, that is like, just your opinion. Give me Elfman super hero scores any day compared to Junkie or Zimmer

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Lol I just heard the much talked Batman's theme again and kiddies don't let nostalgia trick you. This is, in no way, shape or form better than Zimmer's work, no and no.

So after listening to this ****** Avengers's score and the Batman's theme, my conclusion is
no thanks.

the much talked about batman theme? you mean the quintessential batman theme that most of us grew up with?

I really wouldn't compare it with Zimmer's TDK work, and nostalgia doesn't change the fact that its about as iconic as the Williams superman theme.

 

[Guts]

The animated series theme was based on the Elfman theme.
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[Chip Chipperson]

I love the TDK trilogy, but the soundtrack isn't exactly one of the first things that comes to mind when thinking about those films. Not to say zimmer didn't do good work, but it isn't anywhere near iconic as the Elfman theme.

 

[Legendver2]

I just think people are delusional if they think there's a chance Elfman brings back the '89 theme. But then again I wouldn't count out WB's habit of being dumb and ask him to do just that to capture that nostalgia audience. Also, I wouldn't count WB out for being stupid enough to ask Joss to do the impossible to change this into Avengers-Lite. This is the same WB that wanted to cut No Man's Land, after interfering with both SS and BvS. WB doesn't seem to learn. And unlike Jenkins, Joss is the new guy, and I doubt he has any clout to put his foot down, especially since he doesn't have MCU to go back to. So if WB wants him to completely change the film through the editing room and additional scenes, he's gonna have to. This whole thing smells like SS all over again.

 

[matt47]

I love the TDK trilogy, but the soundtrack isn't exactly one of the first things that comes to mind when thinking about those films. Not to say zimmer didn't do good work, but it isn't anywhere near iconic as the Elfman theme.

Maybe for your generation, the ones who grew up with 89 Batman. I personally always found it dated and cheesy even as a child. Batman Begins is what made me love Batman and I was 10 when it came out. And if I even think about listening to some of Zimmers TDK soundtrack I get chills. It's incredible stuff.

 

[Legendver2]

Maybe for your generation, the ones who grew up with 89 Batman. I personally always found it dated and cheesy even as a child. Batman Begins is what made me love Batman and I was 10 when it came out. And if I even think about listening to some of Zimmers TDK soundtrack I get chills. It's incredible stuff.

Chills indeed man. Zimmer's Joker theme is one of the most unique villain themes there is.

 

[STARMAN]

I didn't know Elfman did any work on Avengers AOU until now.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I don't have a problem with Elfman reworking the Batman score to make it more fantastical. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with bringing back the elfman score because I see it the same was I see Bond's or superman's respective themes.

But I did enjoy Hans' MOS score and hope perhaps they can replicate that kind of success as well as the WW score's success into a good batman theme.

 

[Legendver2]

I don't have a problem with Elfman reworking the Batman score to make it more fantastical. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with bringing back the elfman score because I see it the same was I see Bond's or superman's respective themes.

But I did enjoy Hans' MOS score and hope perhaps they can replicate that kind of success as well as the WW score's success into a good batman theme.

But they never brought back William's Superman theme.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Maybe for your generation, the ones who grew up with 89 Batman. I personally always found it dated and cheesy even as a child. Batman Begins is what made me love Batman and I was 10 when it came out. And if I even think about listening to some of Zimmers TDK soundtrack I get chills. It's incredible stuff.

I was the same age when Begins came out and I feel the same way in that regard. But its no secret that BTAS (and to some degree the burton movies) had a much bigger impact on me, so to each their own. The Zimmer soundtracks were good and better than most, but they always felt too modern crime thriller and less Batman to me.