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DareDevil

To sell Waid's run or not... that is the question. It isn't complete (missing about 4 or 5 issues) but Daredevil's one of my favorite characters. Yet I've not enjoyed it save for a few issues here and there since Waid came on. I normally wouldn't bother getting rid of it, but my 4-drawer filing cabinet is about full and I need to make some room. So I'm getting rid o some stuff and this is a chunk of comics I didn't quite enjoy. It'd make sense to get rid of it, but it's Daredevil. And as a character, I love Daredevil :( And it isn't like OMD here where the whole dynamic of the character changed. It's still the Daredevil I love, I just don't care for how Waid writes his comic. And it isn't like the title is bad, it just isn't as enjoyable or me as a darker toned Daredevil. But I do need to make space and there isn't much else I want to get rid of.

Confuscious say I should have taken up collecting baseball cards instead :(
I like dark Daredevil and all, but by the time Waid took over the book, Daredevil had become such a grim character to the point where it was just depressing to read thanks to Bendis, Brubaker, and Diggle. Waid setting Daredevil into a lighter direction was a much needed breath of fresh air.
 
I started with Bendis, so maybe that's why I liked it. Dark Daredevil was all I knew. That WAS Daredevil to me; so much so that this lighter version feels like a completely different character. And with there being so many other bright characters, I liked the difference in the darker toned character.
 
Daredevil for the most part had always been a dark character. Well, not really always dark, but definitely grim and gritty.
 
I started with Bendis, so maybe that's why I liked it. Dark Daredevil was all I knew. That WAS Daredevil to me; so much so that this lighter version feels like a completely different character. And with there being so many other bright characters, I liked the difference in the darker toned character.
I know where you're coming from. Dark Daredevil by Miller/Bendis/Brubaker is the Daredevil that I was introduced to. However, you have to realize that many of these characters, including Batman, the Hulk, Superman, Captain America, etc. all have different interpretations attached to them and they're all equally valid. Daredevil is no different.

Would I like to see a darker Daredevil eventually? Sure. But right now, I'm perfectly satisfied with the lighter tone that Waid has given us with his take on Daredevil. Dark Daredevil needed a rest badly after having Daredevil endure nonstop misery ever since Smith took over the book back in 1998.
 
Waid's Daredevil has some pretty dark things happening in it. We're talking about a comic where his best friend gets cancer, Matt's father's remains being placed in his desk, horribly racist visions, and a guy in a vegetative state. The difference is that Waid's Daredevil has some fun in between these things, and Matt doesn't sulk and brood like he used to. I still love the Miller, Bendis, and Brubakker runs, but Waid's run has been something special. It happens to build upon all of the dark things while giving Daredevil some wiggle room for other things. That issue with the kids in the snow was brilliant. It's a serious situation, but it doesn't hinge on doom and gloom. Waid has managed to retain Matt's character and history while bringing a feel of rooting for the hero to triumph in a classical sense. I am so in love with this run that I want to have its baby.
 
Waid's Daredevil has some pretty dark things happening in it. We're talking about a comic where his best friend gets cancer, Matt's father's remains being placed in his desk, horribly racist visions, and a guy in a vegetative state. The difference is that Waid's Daredevil has some fun in between these things, and Matt doesn't sulk and brood like he used to. I still love the Miller, Bendis, and Brubakker runs, but Waid's run has been something special. It happens to build upon all of the dark things while giving Daredevil some wiggle room for other things. That issue with the kids in the snow was brilliant. It's a serious situation, but it doesn't hinge on doom and gloom. Waid has managed to retain Matt's character and history while bringing a feel of rooting for the hero to triumph in a classical sense. I am so in love with this run that I want to have its baby.
Bingo. I love the darker Daredevil days, but man, I was smothered by it after a while. The new direction has a great balance of swashbuckling adventure and drama without Matt being 1 second from drinking himself into a coma. If he just keeps rolling around in the depression and muck it'll hurt him. I imagine some writers could have continued the past tone and created new stories, but after his fall, this new direction is welcome.

Heck, MArvel could look at this an apply it to Pete. Just because his life isn't constantly sucking it doesn't mean that all challenge and progression in his character have stopped.
 
Just bought the Brian Michael Bendis and Ed Brubaker ultimate collections from Amazon can't wait to finally read them. I've heard noting but great things about both runs.
 
They turned me into a Daredevil fan :up:

And if you like those, just keep on trucking with Brubaker's run. Equally as good.
 
Some people seemed to be lukewarm to Brubaker's run but I thought it was great.
 
I liked Bru's run, especially the part with Matt in prison.
 
Daredevil for the most part had always been a dark character. Well, not really always dark, but definitely grim and gritty.

This is silly considering my username, but I've only read the first 30 or so issues of Daredevil, when he was most assuredly not grim and gritty. hahaha. I know what you mean though.

(I'm going to get Born Again ((or is it just Born? I know one's Punisher)) eventually)
 
the part where is was not dark and gritty is a huge part of his story. I think both interpretation can work. But tragic Daredevil had overcome his welcome when Waid took over.
 
I think tragic Daredevil made him stand apart from so many other cookie cutter superhero comics from Marvel. Now he's just another happy-go-lucky book like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, etc.
 
I think the book still has a dark tone... his outlook is just less dark and gloomy
 
I just got my essential Daredevil 6. I know the line is supposedly dead, but they need to release volume 7, which would lead to the beginning of Miller on writing duties.
 
I've had a bit of a funny on/off relationship with Daredevil comics. I first heard of Daredevil back in the late 90s, when I got a Chistmas present that brought young me hours of entertainment: a big giant hardcover book about the history of the Marvel Universe. Still on my bookshelf to this day. At the time, I was still a young kid, and though I'd always loved superheroes, I'd only recently got into going to comic shops and looking at the comics there. The only Marvel comics franchises I had any real familiarity with were Spider-Man and X-Men, though I had some awareness of the likes of The Hulk, The Punisher, Fantastic Four and Iron Man from their appearances in other mediums. So, this big book really was like my introduction to the Marvel Universe proper, and to this day I remember the section on Daredevil being one of my favourite characters. Just reading his history was fascinating for me. And it was in reading that section that I believe I first became aware of acclaimed comics storylines, and, in Frank Miller, of superstar comic creators. It made me want to go back and check out some of those stories. Thanks respectively to the death of Elektra comic and Born Again (to this day one of my all-time favourite Marvel comics), Bullseye and The Kingpin have been among my favourite Marvel villains for well over a decade.

Those are characters I've always loved. Even in the period in the early 2000s when I wasn't really reading or following comics, I'd make exceptions for when Bullseye appeared - Bullseye: Greatest Hits and Punisher VS Bullseye were two of the only comics I got in that era. When I did get back into regularly reading comics again around 2005, at first it was only Batman comics, then it was only DC comics, but when I did decide to get back into Marvel again and bought a random bundle of recent issues from various titles, Daredevil was one of the first I picked up. As it happens I happened to jump into buying the title during Ed Brubaker's run, the "Lady Bullseye" story. That intrigued me, but what made me stay onboard was learning about the approaching "Return of the King" story with The Kingpin. I ended up reading right through to the end of Brubaker's run. Diggle's run interested me a lot less. Perhaps Daredevil himself interested me less than his top two villains, he just seemed a bit mopey and morose. And so I dropped Daredevil, and instead focused on reading Bullseye's exploits in the likes of Dark Avengers or trying the relaunched PunisherMAX because The Kingpin was appearing in it - which, incidentally, introduced me to writer Jason Aaron, which in turn got me into Scalped, which would become possibly my favourite comic ever.

I first started hearing the acclaim for Mark Waid's run on Daredevil from issue #4. The events of Shadowland left me thinking the Daredevil well had been poisoned, so it was nice to hear the book was supposed to be great again. I tried issue #4, with that amazing Marcos Martin artwork, and loved it. I immediately went to try and get issues #1-#3 at my local comic shop, but they were all sold out. That put me off buying any more, because I wanted to have been reading from the start. And the longer the series went on and the more it got acclaimed, the more it niggled at me, as I wanted to get into it, but felt like it had been going on too long to jump on. I always seem to be the guy who jumps on a book late, and when I jump on it stops being cool. But I finally put the bullet and started buying the series monthly when, you guessed it, Bullseye re-emerged around the issue #25 mark. I really loved Mark Waid's writing and Chris Samnee's art, but just didn't feel a connection with the book. I just couldn't shake the feeling that I'd jumped on too late and had missed too much, and so when I heard the series would be ending at #35 decided to just drop it there. Of course I then kicked myself when I heard it was being relaunched, but that came at a time when I was trying to be ruthless in cutting books and so didn't take advantage of the jump-on point. I did eventually read issue #1 on ComiXology and loved it, which made me even more annoyed about not jumping on back at the time.

But with this Netflix series coming up, I felt now was the time to have another go at getting back into Daredevil. I picked up the four most recent issues of Waid and Samnee's Daredevil, thought they were great. I then picked up the Volume 1 hardcover of Daredevil by Mark Waid for my birthday in September, and Volumes 2 and 3 at New York Comic Con, meaning I now have the whole series pre-relaunch. And I've just been storming through it.

On one hand, I regret waiting this long to get into the series. But on the other hand, I'm glad I waited to read the book in this luxurious, oversized format with lovely paper stock..And the storytelling is just so good. Best of all, they've managed to make me actually really like Daredevil, and think of him as the most interesting character in his own book. I don't feel like I'm waiting for Kingpin or Bullseye to show up: Matt Murdock himself is a fascinating character, one of Marvel's most fascinating heroes actually.

I'm now up to issue #18 of Waid's run, near the end of the Volume 2 hardcover. And I'm wanting to immerse myself in more of the Daredevil I've missed. I bought 2 volumes of the Bendis Ultimate Collection while in New York too, looking forward to get stuck into that once I'm done with Waid. I also picked up The Man Without Fear and read that, really good stuff. Daredevil is fast becoming my favourite Marvel character. And that may make me a "fake geek guy" for Daredevil or a bandwagon jumper because it took the approach of the Netflix show to prompt me into action, but better late than never... I'm loving it!
 
Glad to hear it. I haven't come close to catching up to Waid, but I'm slowly working my way through Volume 2. There's definitely a lot worth reading.
 
Man I really hope that with the new series next year that Marvel will reprint the Bendis/Brubaker omnibus editions. Those are impossible to find. Basically holy grail type endeavors. I want them so bad.


It's nice how they collected Volume 3 so fast with those beautiful oversized hardcovers.
 
I just have to buy Daredevil shadowland, shadownland, and daredevil reborn, and I have everything from bendis run to diggle's exit. I'll be ready to buy Waid's run by then. It's a pity diggle had to write shadowland like that, because his first arc was actually quite good.
 
I'm thinking I'll skip Shadowland. Is it even possible to fully understand Shadowland without reading the crossover material?
 
You don't need the tie-ins. The whole event is enough. But it's also awful. I wouldn't recommend to read it, save for the completionists among us.
 
Well, I started in Volume 1, so I can't buy a lot of issues to be a completionist before I even think about Shadowland. Although it may be a quality for the event as a whole, but I've heard the Daredevil part is at least better than the rest. It really is followable without the whole crossover? Although I tend to agree that it's not at all a priority.
 
the daredevil parts are about Foggy etc, they don't mean nothing without the crossover. But you can read the crossover without the daredevil parts.
 
That's me now all up to date on Daredevil. Mark Waid and Chris Samnee are just knocking it out of the park with this series, it's a modern masterpiece. Loving this current storyline, Daredevil #9 was excellent. And I must admit I got a wee thrill seeing Chris Samnee's rendition of The Kingpin. He's arguably my favourite Marvel villain, at least up in the top tier with the likes of Thanos and Loki, so I hope we'll see more of Samnee's Wilson Fisk before too long.
 

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