David Goyer hired to write Man of Steel

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well the jonah on as writer first poped up yesterday so most of us were talking about it then. I hope he and goyer will hit it out of the park for superman and make a good rounded out film. As for the potential of jonah i said in the director thread i wish him the best of luck if he gets it. But like i said i would perfer to have someone with some film/commerical work background. I could see that carl guy mentioned about he seems interesting.

Also with johns being the head creative guy for DCE now and we know he has been helping out with GL he will probably have his hands/say in other projects too. like shazam/flash he had help with scripts, to this superman reboot, and other projects that come this way.
 
however, the best thing about twitter is getting news fast. like before latino review scored their Goyer scoop, they were alluding to it on twitter prior to the actual post.
 
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Exactly.

Twitter for me has proved useful in these two sectors:

Following directors, producers, writers, movie sites (and their respective writers/reporters) Twitter.

Another is any musical artist you may like (for me its really obsecure and very genre specific) updates on what albums/songs they are working on and releasing them.

Thats it for me though. I don't even have an account but just visit the pages I need too (Frank Marshall, Curren$y etc).
 
yeah, I like the updates on stuff I normally wouldn't go out of my way to find, but I couldn't give a damn if one of my friends just had fish tacos for dinner.
 
Something interesting about Hamm is that he was in a Funny or Die sketch as Lex Luthor back in 2009.

And now recently (20 hours ago) MTV asked him about fan's petitions and cries for him to star in a superhero movie.

He actually mentions Superman and with his comment's we can almost count him out of the movie.

His comment about Superman lacking flaws that interest him in playing the character may rule him out for Superman but might set him up beautifully for the role of Lex (or, if Bale should opt out - Bruce Wayne/Batman)

This is absolutely great news. Variety states that he may bring on a co-writer as well (Nolan?) This sure supports Christopher Nolan's involvement. This is great news for Superman fans, the only thing that bothers me is the fact that they are going back to John Byrne for a modern reboot? Why not Jeph Loeb or Mark Waid? They are much more modern.

IMO When it comes to Superman, Waid is incapable of moving away from Donner. His Birthright was one long wet kiss to Donner. I don't want him anywhere near this film.

well the jonah on as writer first poped up yesterday so most of us were talking about it then. I hope he and goyer will hit it out of the park for superman and make a good rounded out film. As for the potential of jonah i said in the director thread i wish him the best of luck if he gets it. But like i said i would perfer to have someone with some film/commerical work background. I could see that carl guy mentioned about he seems interesting.

Also with johns being the head creative guy for DCE now and we know he has been helping out with GL he will probably have his hands/say in other projects too. like shazam/flash he had help with scripts, to this superman reboot, and other projects that come this way.

I don't know how I feel about Johns on Superman... if he can come to grips with Byrne's take on it and leave Waid's influence behind I would be OK with it. I want no Donner influence on this new film.

As to 'no origin', I'll be OK with it as long as we can get a few flashbacks to Krypton so that we can see it's a new, different version. In fact, I'd like a flashback of the city as it explodes and then see the Birthing matrix with the star drive powering it leave the rubble. Next scene would have it already crashed on Earth with Jonathan and Martha looking on as it opens (it would be so cool to see the capsule melt open like it does in the comic).

All, in all though... I thought this was fantastic news. I'm still wondering where it's stated that they will be basing it on Byrne's run. I haven't read that in an actual article yet.

BTW, I wasn't at all surprised by Kurasawa's response but I am surprised that Most Powerful hasn't made a comment.
 
yea as i keep saying even if we dont have a full on origin we still need to have some origin stuff told. So we can see why things are different for this take and all that. And i am sure even if johns is does help out on the reboot he will leave the donner stuff out.
 
yea as i keep saying even if we dont have a full on origin we still need to have some origin stuff told. So we can see why things are different for this take and all that. And i am sure even if johns is does help out on the reboot he will leave the donner stuff out.

Yeah WB's would surely give him thoe instructions beforehand. People worrying about it been like the Donnerverse should rest easy I'm sure we won't be heading back into that territory.
 
I so hope to god they have finally seen the light that donner's take of superman aint going to cut it today's modern movie/comicbook viewers.
 
I so hope to god they have finally seen the light that donner's take of superman aint going to cut it today's modern movie/comicbook viewers.

I love the Donnerverse and that but we definitely need a different version now. Its dated. Superman: The Movie is still my favourote film of all-time though and will take some beating :D
 
totally i liked donner's take for that time, but since the character and people has changed alot in the past 30 yrs. It shouldnt be the only take on the character now. We need to have a new incarnation that will be this generations take. like donner's was 30 yrs old.
 
totally i liked donner's take for that time, but since the character and people has changed alot in the past 30 yrs. It shouldnt be the only take on the character now. We need to have a new incarnation that will be this generations take. like donner's was 30 yrs old.

Agreed
 
however, the best thing about twitter is getting news fast. like before latino review scored their Goyer scoop, they were alluding to it on twitter prior to the actual post.
does it really matter if we get the Goyer or Nolan news 1 hour or 2 hours and 25 minutes faster?
 
does it really matter if we get the Goyer or Nolan news 1 hour or 2 hours and 25 minutes faster?

Lol we are all very impatient aren't we. Unfortunately its a human traot most of us have :D saying that I have never used or been on twitter.
 
twitter for me is for people who think that their lives are important to other people. why would o care what someone did in the morning?
 
twitter for me is for people who think that their lives are important to other people. why would o care what someone did in the morning?

I know Facebook's the same mate. My friend on there the other day put she was having a cup of Coffee. I was like what the hell? Its like when people put they're going on holiday you might aswell leave the keys in the door and invite the burglars round.
 
. I hope he and goyer will hit it out of the park for superman

100% agreed.

Does anyone know if Goyer is said to be a fan of the Byrne comics, or the kind of guy that would bury himself in research on them before he starts typing?
 
well i think its been stated they are comics fans, and the did research alot of different stories for batman. I would think they will do that too for superman. They will probably take the basis of what bryne did. like kents alive, corp lex, clark is a more real character, the toned down powers, then probably also look at the other modern stories like secret origins, birthright, all seasons, maybe even have advance look at that new earth one, and also look at pre crisis stuff. and which i hope is they find the best traits from all the stories/eras they look into and find a way to mix it all together.
 
His comment about Superman lacking flaws that interest him in playing the character may rule him out for Superman but might set him up beautifully for the role of Lex (or, if Bale should opt out - Bruce Wayne/Batman)



IMO When it comes to Superman, Waid is incapable of moving away from Donner. His Birthright was one long wet kiss to Donner. I don't want him anywhere near this film.



I don't know how I feel about Johns on Superman... if he can come to grips with Byrne's take on it and leave Waid's influence behind I would be OK with it. I want no Donner influence on this new film.

As to 'no origin', I'll be OK with it as long as we can get a few flashbacks to Krypton so that we can see it's a new, different version. In fact, I'd like a flashback of the city as it explodes and then see the Birthing matrix with the star drive powering it leave the rubble. Next scene would have it already crashed on Earth with Jonathan and Martha looking on as it opens (it would be so cool to see the capsule melt open like it does in the comic).

All, in all though... I thought this was fantastic news. I'm still wondering where it's stated that they will be basing it on Byrne's run. I haven't read that in an actual article yet.

BTW, I wasn't at all surprised by Kurasawa's response but I am surprised that Most Powerful hasn't made a comment.

Johns take is WAAAY better than Byrnes betrayal of everything that Siegel and Shuster created and that Superman should stand for. Waid's Birthright was more based on Silver/Bronze Age than the Donnerverse and DESTROYED MOS. Now Jurgens, even though he was saddled with Byrne's **** continuity, did a pretty awesome Superman.
 
Johns take is WAAAY better than Byrnes betrayal of everything that Siegel and Shuster created and that Superman should stand for. Waid's Birthright was more based on Silver/Bronze Age than the Donnerverse and DESTROYED MOS. Now Jurgens, even though he was saddled with Byrne's **** continuity, did a pretty awesome Superman.

K, you're very much a silver age fan and I get that but Byrne's reinvention was actually to strip the concepts down and get back to the basics of what made the character appealing in the first place. If you go back and re-read MOS and Byrne's run on the character after that, you'll find that he kept pretty true to the original concept while still updating parts of it. It's his Krypton that was the huge departure .. and I, among many here, love it along with Marv Wolfman's reinvention of Lex Luthor.

There are so many scenes in that run that remind me of many earlier approaches to the character. There are scenes that even call to mind the George Reeve's series.

You've got to take off your Byrne-hating glasses and re-read his run without that jaundiced eye. You'll find that Byrne is as much a fan of what went before as you are.
 
K, you're very much a silver age fan and I get that but Byrne's reinvention was actually to strip the concepts down and get back to the basics of what made the character appealing in the first place. If you go back and re-read MOS and Byrne's run on the character after that, you'll find that he kept pretty true to the original concept while still updating parts of it. It's his Krypton that was the huge departure .. and I, among many here, love it along with Marv Wolfman's reinvention of Lex Luthor.

There are so many scenes in that run that remind me of many earlier approaches to the character. There are scenes that even call to mind the George Reeve's series.

You've got to take off your Byrne-hating glasses and re-read his run without that jaundiced eye. You'll find that Byrne is as much a fan of what went before as you are.

Actually, he's not. He even stated before that to him Siegel and Shuster did not create Superman, the TV show did and he said that maybe someday someone might discover Superman through MOS like he did with the TV series, alluding that his Superman would one day be seen by some as the characters creation. And although I find a lot of the Silver Age Superman comics fun and the concepts interesting, my favorite period is the Golden Age Superman, with the Bronze Age as written by Bates and Maggin a close second. What made the character appealing in the first place was the Clark Kent identity as wish fulfillment, and that was the first thing he got rid of, both by making Clark the real identity and by making Clark everything that he and Siegel and Shuster themselves were not. His character bears NO resemblance to the Golden Age version and not even much to the George Reeves version. It's more like a campier version of the Chris Reeve Superman with a very bland average guy Clark, as I've said before a cross between Spider-Man and Colossus. His Clark even looks JUST like his Colossus with glasses on.

And his Krypton is the worst designed alien world I've ever seen anywhere, be it comics or movies or tv. But Byrne's designs have always sucked major ass. I remember how pathetic his Imperial Guard members looked next to the ones designed by Dave Cockrum...Byrne could draw (by the time he did Superman he needed a good finisher though), but as a writer he has ALWAYS been very hit and miss. Never forget he wrote the blandest Reed Richards ever and put Johnny and Alicia together in FF (which got instantly retconned as soon as he left). His Superman was and is a big hit with people who hate what Superman was from 1938-1986 but as for paying Siegel and Shuster or anyone who came after them any iota of respect, it was a huge miss. If DC had given a crap about the fans who had supported their books for years, instead of giving Superman to Byrne, they would have accepted Bates and Maggins in-continuity revisions and made Jose Luis Garcia Lopez (whose art is WAY superior to Byrne's) the successor to Swan. Then when Jurgens came along his godly as hell Death>Funeral>Reign>Return storyline could have been done with the real thing, and it would have been even more awesome. Even as is it's one of the greatest comics storylines ever written.
 
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well i think its been stated they are comics fans, and the did research alot of different stories for batman. I would think they will do that too for superman. They will probably take the basis of what bryne did. like kents alive, corp lex, clark is a more real character, the toned down powers, then probably also look at the other modern stories like secret origins, birthright, all seasons, maybe even have advance look at that new earth one, and also look at pre crisis stuff. and which i hope is they find the best traits from all the stories/eras they look into and find a way to mix it all together.

Ya know I really think when they re-did Superman with Superman Returns they really should have adapted Superman Birthright, its only Superman vs Lex but there's plenty of action and its a very interesting (and modern) take on his origin.
 
Actually, he's not. He even stated before that to him Siegel and Shuster did not create Superman, the TV show did and he said that maybe someday someone might discover Superman through MOS like he did with the TV series, alluding that his Superman would one day be seen by some as the characters creation.

Please provide a link to that quote.

As to my opinion who created the character..... whether that's really a quote from Byrne or not ... Superman was invented by Seigel and Shuster but many hands were involved into making him the character we know today ... including the George Reeve's series. Kryptonite was an invention of the radio show to give the actor a short vacation. The name 'Jor-el' originally appeared as 'Jor-L' and was the invention of novelist George Lothar. Jonathan and Martha didn't have names until much later (and the first names to appear were Eben and Sara - taken from the George Lothar novel... names the George Reeves series adopted) and Martha was 'Mary'. Jimmy Olsen was not an invention of S & S. Lois, under the two creators, was originally a gossip columnist.

And although I find a lot of the Silver Age Superman comics fun and the concepts interesting, my favorite period is the Golden Age Superman, with the Bronze Age as written by Bates and Maggin a close second. What made the character appealing in the first place was the Clark Kent identity as wish fulfillment, and that was the first thing he got rid of, both by making Clark the real identity and by making Clark everything that he and Siegel and Shuster themselves were not. His character bears NO resemblance to the Golden Age version and not even much to the George Reeves version. It's more like a campier version of the Chris Reeve Superman with a very bland average guy Clark, as I've said before a cross between Spider-Man and Colossus. His Clark even looks JUST like his Colossus with glasses on.

Clark being a disguise and Superman the real personality is just not accurate to what Byrne did. Both personalities were the 'real' person. It's just that Clark wasn't a milksop anymore. It just didn't make sense for the identity he spends 75 percent of his time as would be a pose. Clark was still a quiet guy (bland as you put it) and Superman was still out there at the speed of light doing his thing.

... and before you go there... Byrne made Clark a high school football star as a way of explaining why the people around him didn't question why he had such a good build. He even had him keep weights in his apartment. As most of you know, being a High School football star is pretty meaningless after high school.

And his Krypton is the worst designed alien world I've ever seen anywhere, be it comics or movies or tv. But Byrne's designs have always sucked major ass. I remember how pathetic his Imperial Guard members looked next to the ones designed by Dave Cockrum...Byrne could draw (by the time he did Superman he needed a good finisher though), but as a writer he has ALWAYS been very hit and miss. Never forget he wrote the blandest Reed Richards ever and put Johnny and Alicia together in FF (which got instantly retconned as soon as he left). His Superman was and is a big hit with people who hate what Superman was from 1938-1986 but as for paying Siegel and Shuster or anyone who came after them any iota of respect, it was a huge miss. If DC had given a crap about the fans who had supported their books for years, instead of giving Superman to Byrne, they would have accepted Bates and Maggins in-continuity revisions and made Jose Luis Garcia Lopez (whose art is WAY superior to Byrne's) the successor to Swan. Then when Jurgens came along his godly as hell Death>Funeral>Reign>Return storyline could have been done with the real thing, and it would have been even more awesome. Even as is it's one of the greatest comics storylines ever written.

Where do I start to respond to that? First ... most of that paragraph is only your opinion. I hold a different one... I think the 1930 and 1950's versions of Krypton were juvenile and completely unbelievable. From a believability of concept and just an overall design ... I find Byrne's Krypton to be the more believable. It's based on a lot of thought and not just what bizarre concepts can we come up with. Byrne spent a lot of time asking himself questions and finding answers to things like how could a baby survive a many light year journey wrapped in blankets and shoved into the cockpit of a rocket. Answer? He couldn't... so the concepts had to be revamped... which led to a different understanding of what Krypton was. (Byrne also said that Donner's cold looking Krypton was part of his inspiration to go that way).

No one would ever say that Byrne was a writer on a parr with people like Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman. His strong suit was figuring out logical reasons for things like what I posted in the last paragraph. So, if his writing was uneven... well, it's Byrne... what did you expect? But his concepts work. More than I can say for some writers who get more respect. And I'm not referencing Moore or Gaiman with that last statement ... although Gaiman is more about fantasy than hard science.

I didn't hate the prior version of Superman (1938 - 1986). I'm pretty sure that most of us who like what Byrne and Wolfman did don't. It's just about how long can you hold onto concepts that are so outdated that they seem like Buck Rogers serials from the 1950's? (which, coincidentally, they were).

K, I don't begrudge you your affection for the earlier, simpler times but you must understand that, for most of us, we need more depth. To constantly denigrate the Byrne/Wolfman update is to tell us that we're wrong in wanting that.
 
He even had him keep weights in his apartment.

That is actually a really good idea. I mean, sure he has a great physique due to being a Kryptonian under a yellow sun, but having say a bench press/squat rack combo in his apartment makes sense.

If anyone ever sees it, they assume Clark lifts weights. That helps the disguise, because Superman would surely not get anything from lifting such human weights.

Then there is the missing time to explain. People assume he must spend his spare time doing something. They figure he must just go home and work out, not fly around the planet saving people.

Never hurts that Superman does not wear a mask, and most people never even consider he would spend time as someone else either. Really that is the strongest aspect of the disguise. People refuse to see what they are not looking for.
 
that is actually a really good idea. I mean, sure he has a great physique due to being a kryptonian under a yellow sun, but having say a bench press/squat rack combo in his apartment makes sense.

If anyone ever sees it, they assume clark lifts weights. That helps the disguise, because superman would surely not get anything from lifting such human weights.

Then there is the missing time to explain. People assume he must spend his spare time doing something. They figure he must just go home and work out, not fly around the planet saving people.

Never hurts that superman does not wear a mask, and most people never even consider he would spend time as someone else either. Really that is the strongest aspect of the disguise. People refuse to see what they are not looking for.

exactly!
 
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