David Goyer hired to write Man of Steel

[Webhead2006]

i definately would like to see some epic fights with destruction all around. Like how it was in hancock for an example.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Dragonball Z without ki blasts!

 

[Abraham]

to quote ultimatefan in reference to JJ Abrams Superman script:

My main problem, however is in many ways this is as much a Donner remake as SR, if not more. It kinda reads like Superman The Movie meets Superman 2, it has a lot of the same bits from both movies, even though written with some tweaks and twists. While the script took off the main thing that annoyed fans, Luthor as a Kryptonian, it still implied there was a chance we´d see him with super powers in a sequel. I was actually more excited by the ending than by the script itself, the prospect of Superman going to Krypton to save his home planet, that was fresher than anything else about it.

I also thought, was it necessary to make Clark the laughingstock of the school to protect his secret. I know he pretends to be a mild-mannered, sometimes even bumbling reporter, but he´s a grown man, he knows what he´s doing, for a kid all the humiliation seems unnecessarily cruel.

This is a well-executed script for what it intends to be, but is this how I feel Superman should have been rebooted? No, not really. I know Superman Returns wasn´t the movie that resurrected Supes as a pop culture icon, but I don´t this would have been the one either. I keep insisting that we need something more different, and that there´s nothing wrong with starting with an established Superman, even if you do some digging into his past during the movie.

we need something new, a fresh take and a story that grabs us. Thats why up until the recent interview with Nolan I was not that all excited about this film, ditching the origin is good but even then, I expected another re-hash. It seems to me that people in Hollywood simply lack an new ideas or vision for Superman, as if their is no story to tell about the character.

“It’s very exciting; we have a fantastic story”

I trust Nolan, The Dark Knight had a terrific story, a great blend of numerous comics and ideas from all throughout Batman's history into something wholly original and, in my opinion, definitive in many ways.

Nothing that happened in SR excited me, of what story their was it was borrrrring, and the only things that elicited any reaction from me were xeroxed from the '78 Superman.

I wonder what the take is though, as Nolan is very tight lipped all we know is what comes from the original report from Latino Review. That it will be HEAVILY influenced by Byrne, a wise decision in my opinion. I grew up on this Superman more so than the one seen in the Donnerverse.

One thing that seems to be being overlooked slightly though, is that this is not Nolan's take on Superman - its Goyers.

“He basically told me, ‘I have this thought about how you would approach Superman,’” Nolan recalled. “I immediately got it, loved it and thought: That is a way of approaching the story I’ve never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting. I wanted to get Emma and I involved in shepherding the project right away and getting it to the studio and getting it going in an exciting way.”

assuming what we got in Batman Begins was Goyers take aswell, using "The Man who Falls", "Year One", and "The Long Halloween" in the same way that this will use "The Man of Steel".

Does anyone know of any interviews Goyer has done in the past where he talked about Superman, id like to know a little bit more about his personal views of the character considering what we are getting is going to be his brainchild, not Nolans. ???

 

[SuperMike335!!]

Would be good to know. Is he a fan of just the Byrne incarnation? Or would he do like STAS and borrow elements from a number of time periods in the comics with some original stuff as well.

Heck he may even borrow from STAS too come to think of it.

 

[Kurosawa]

to quote ultimatefan in reference to JJ Abrams Superman script:



we need something new, a fresh take and a story that grabs us. Thats why up until the recent interview with Nolan I was not that all excited about this film, ditching the origin is good but even then, I expected another re-hash. It seems to me that people in Hollywood simply lack an new ideas or vision for Superman, as if their is no story to tell about the character.

“It’s very exciting; we have a fantastic story”

I trust Nolan, The Dark Knight had a terrific story, a great blend of numerous comics and ideas from all throughout Batman's history into something wholly original and, in my opinion, definitive in many ways.

Nothing that happened in SR excited me, of what story their was it was borrrrring, and the only things that elicited any reaction from me were xeroxed from the '78 Superman.

I wonder what the take is though, as Nolan is very tight lipped all we know is what comes from the original report from Latino Review. That it will be HEAVILY influenced by Byrne, a wise decision in my opinion. I grew up on this Superman more so than the one seen in the Donnerverse.

One thing that seems to be being overlooked slightly though, is that this is not Nolan's take on Superman - its Goyers.

assuming what we got in Batman Begins was Goyers take aswell, using "The Man who Falls", "Year One", and "The Long Halloween" in the same way that this will use "The Man of Steel".

Does anyone know of any interviews Goyer has done in the past where he talked about Superman, id like to know a little bit more about his personal views of the character considering what we are getting is going to be his brainchild, not Nolans. ???

If it's heavily influenced by Byrne then it will:

1) Be completely the opposite of the current comics and how Geoff Johns sees the character
2) Be 20+ years out of date
3) Be a slap in the face to Siegel and Shuster, which is maybe part of WB/DC's intention since this movie is being made in part because of their continuing exploitation of them.
4) Not be Superman.

I'll take the good action from Byrne's version, nothing else. Too many of his elements showed complete contempt for the 1938-1986 Superman comics and caused a schism among the Superman fanbase that continues to this day. I'd hope Nolan wouldn't be as stupid as to alienate a good part of the fanbase and instead take the best elements from all eras.

If it's straight Byrne I'll refuse to see it and hope like hell it does even worse than Superman Returns.

 

[Asgard]

What do you guys think will be the major themes Goyer and Nolan will explore in the new movie?

You guys already discussed the public fearing the unknown with the arrival of a man who can fly and do other extraordinary and superhuman things.

One other theme would probably be corporate greed if we assume that Lex Luthor will be a corporate tycoon.

 

[Lighthouse]

What do you guys think will be the major themes Goyer and Nolan will explore in the new movie?

You guys already discussed the public fearing the unknown with the arrival of a man who can fly and do other extraordinary and superhuman things.

One other theme would probably be corporate greed if we assume that Lex Luthor will be a corporate tycoon.

I said this in the other thread, but I think Superman's alienation is still a good topic for a Superman movie, it just needs to be approached much differently then Superman Returns did. Similar to what Birthright and Abrams script did.

Being the last of his kind and an alien makes him feel like an outsider sometimes, and the villain only accentuates this feeling. That he's an alien, a threat, and doesn't belong. But instead of sulking, leaving the planet and having a half-kryptonian kid, he realizes that he was never alone. His adopted family is his family, and his adopted planet is his planet. A good villain will challenge this notion and try to convince others of it, but Superman shows that a threat to Earth and it's people is a threat to his home and family.

 

[Kurosawa]

What do you guys think will be the major themes Goyer and Nolan will explore in the new movie?

You guys already discussed the public fearing the unknown with the arrival of a man who can fly and do other extraordinary and superhuman things.

One other theme would probably be corporate greed if we assume that Lex Luthor will be a corporate tycoon.

Although I'm not a big fan of the Corporate Lex and CEO villains are just as cliche as mad scientists (Pre-Crisis Lex was not exactly a mad scientist, or at least, he would be more correctly called a criminal scientist-he was completely sane), but I feel that a Corporate Lex is of true value especially if Superman is presented with populist social values. Johns is exploring the idea of the Daily Planet being in bad financial condition due to their willingness to oppose Lex and Lex's manipulation of the media is Superman: Secret Origin and that's something that would play well in a modern movie.

A huge theme should be American society's unwillingness to believe in anything, and how despite Lex's attempts to stop it, Superman gives people something to believe in again and an example of how people should treat one another. 99% of superheroes only exist to fight crime or have mindless slugfests with supervillans, but Superman has always had more depth than that. Even though he himself may seem like a fairly simple character (although he's really not), the series has often tackled things other than the villain of the month. That should show up in any thoughtful handling of the character.

 

[Christmas]

really interesting post Kurosawa!

How do you feel about Lex viewing himself as metropolis' great benefactor? How far can that route be taken? Instead of an outright scheming conniving lex, like spacey or even ruthless ceo interpretation, he thinks he can improve the world better than anyone, and that leads to his eventual villiany. whereas superman would, through his trials, learn his limits and learn his best use to the world.

 

[Asgard]

How do you feel about Lex viewing himself as metropolis' great benefactor? How far can that route be taken? Instead of an outright scheming conniving lex, like spacey or even ruthless ceo interpretation, he thinks he can improve the world better than anyone, and that leads to his eventual villiany. whereas superman would, through his trials, learn his limits and learn his best use to the world.

I like it. Although, Id actually option for him to be a corrupt and ruthless businessman who only cares about amassing wealth and power and uses his philanthropy to fool the public into thinking he cares about them.

Lex could become resentful toward how easily Superman gains the public's favor. Maybe that could tie into him teaming with Braniac as a way to get rid of Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

to quote ultimatefan in reference to JJ Abrams Superman script:



we need something new, a fresh take and a story that grabs us. Thats why up until the recent interview with Nolan I was not that all excited about this film, ditching the origin is good but even then, I expected another re-hash. It seems to me that people in Hollywood simply lack an new ideas or vision for Superman, as if their is no story to tell about the character.

“It’s very exciting; we have a fantastic story”

I trust Nolan, The Dark Knight had a terrific story, a great blend of numerous comics and ideas from all throughout Batman's history into something wholly original and, in my opinion, definitive in many ways.

Nothing that happened in SR excited me, of what story their was it was borrrrring, and the only things that elicited any reaction from me were xeroxed from the '78 Superman.

I wonder what the take is though, as Nolan is very tight lipped all we know is what comes from the original report from Latino Review. That it will be HEAVILY influenced by Byrne, a wise decision in my opinion. I grew up on this Superman more so than the one seen in the Donnerverse.

One thing that seems to be being overlooked slightly though, is that this is not Nolan's take on Superman - its Goyers.

assuming what we got in Batman Begins was Goyers take aswell, using "The Man who Falls", "Year One", and "The Long Halloween" in the same way that this will use "The Man of Steel".

Does anyone know of any interviews Goyer has done in the past where he talked about Superman, id like to know a little bit more about his personal views of the character considering what we are getting is going to be his brainchild, not Nolans. ???

Great post

 

[Mr. Earle]

3) Be a slap in the face to Siegel and Shuster, which is maybe part of WB/DC's intention since this movie is being made in part because of their continuing exploitation of them.
4) Not be Superman.

 

[kalelkilla]

There are so many themes, what I liked about the really old comics, before he could even fly, was the fact that Superman stood up for the little guy.

But in the movie I would like to see Luthor come into power, not as president, but as someone that the people listen to as being probably the most powerful man in the world that isn't a public official.

We have gotten so used to doing what Luthor says (cuz it's been working out so far) that when he becomes in cahoots with Brainiac we are kind of accepting of doing what the Luthor/Brainiac team tells us to do for the good of our society. Luthor will convince us that being with them is surely better than being against them. And that Brainiac has "chosen" America to be the leaders of the world, the beacon of hope...yadayada...all the while he is just planning to enslave us.

Then an indestucible man that can fly shows up and he is completely incorruptible and can not be defeated by anything or anyone. He inspires us to be better than what we think we can be, better than what we have become. Superman leads a type of revolution against Luthor and Brainiac and nearly dies saving us from them. could be cool.

 

[SpiderByte]

If it's heavily influenced by Byrne then it will:

1) Be completely the opposite of the current comics and how Geoff Johns sees the character
2) Be 20+ years out of date
3) Be a slap in the face to Siegel and Shuster, which is maybe part of WB/DC's intention since this movie is being made in part because of their continuing exploitation of them.
4) Not be Superman.

I'll take the good action from Byrne's version, nothing else. Too many of his elements showed complete contempt for the 1938-1986 Superman comics and caused a schism among the Superman fanbase that continues to this day. I'd hope Nolan wouldn't be as stupid as to alienate a good part of the fanbase and instead take the best elements from all eras.

If it's straight Byrne I'll refuse to see it and hope like hell it does even worse than Superman Returns.

[sarcasm] Because we ALL know WB is actually a plot to mock the creators of all superheroes. [/sarcasm]

There's one problem with your idea, Kuro.

It's a REBOOT. It's not a sequel to Byrne, its a different version.
You are literally trashing this film before you even know ANYTHING about it, other than 5 characters and the title.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

That's kinda what i'm picturing, an explosion, but in slow mo..Maybe a bomb or an accident like a gasoline tanker truck going up. Maybe even have the villain be behind it just to mess with Superman's head. Have him know his secret ID or something.

Regardless of which or how, it happens so fast Superman doesn't have time to worry about changing because lots of lives would be in immediate danger.
I'm talking danger so extreme that the explosions edge reaches folks at the same time it burns his CK exterior off.

I think it would be interesting if he did not have his cape on in such a scene. Or even barefoot. I mean I can see him having on a bodysuit that is practically painted on, under his clothes, but the cape and boots do not really go on like that.

If later anyone asked him why he was barefoot and cape less he would just say they got blasted off in the explosion.

I don't know, now that I am reading it, maybe that is a bit too comical?

 

[SpiderByte]

I've always thought Superman looked like a badass without his cape.

 

[GreenKToo]

For sure. There is no telling what Goyer and Nolan have in mind for Superman..Just look at what they did to Bat's suit in BB.
I can see them having Supes suit ripped and hanging before its all over with.
And the cape? threads.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally we have no real clue how things will play out this time. Sure if the latinoreview report is still true its based off of the man of steel 80s reboot. It will probably not just be solely based on that take. They will probably take the best stuff from there like how to handle building up to clark learning of krypton, corp lex, the whole thing making clark kent a more real character. Then they will more then likely take ideas/traits from other modern stories of the 90s/00s. Then maybe also bring in traits from other pre crisis stuff they see that will fit into the story they are crafting. That is why i always been saying the best thing would be to look at the character as a whole and take the best elements from both pre and post crisis and combine them into a new and original tale.

 

[SpiderByte]

http://superherouniverse.com/art/data/503/darkseid.jpghttp://img380.imageshack.us/i/darkseid223cp9.jpg/

The most badass thing in the history of badass things.

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm not digging the suit..Darkseid doesnt need it to be bada$$ed.

 

[Mr. Earle]

http://img380.imageshack.us/i/darkseid223cp9.jpg/

The most badass thing in the history of badass things.

Oh hell NAW!!!

 

[SpiderByte]

Oh, damn, I posted the wrong link.

I'll see if I can find it again....

 

[SpiderByte]

http://superherouniverse.com/art/data/503/darkseid.jpg

Thats the one.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Much better, i really like that one.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Cool pics, SpiderByte.