David Goyer hired to write Man of Steel

[SpiderByte]

Indeed. The new Star Trek went so well with the GA, they're already making a sequel.

A whole new Star Trek series...



But one final say:

http://superdickery.com/index.php?I...option=com_content&view=category&limitstart=9

That is no hero.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Indeed. The new Star Trek went so well with the GA, they're already making a sequel.

A whole new Star Trek series...

Yeah great point about Star Trek, up til now the only people who really cared was fanboys. They found a way to make it appeal to the GA and fans alike, it had a great tone that left you excited for any potential sequels by the end. If superman can do the same then it'll be money in the bag.

 

[raybia]

Ever read Golden Age Superman stories? He's pretty cocky. Every read Silver Age Superman stories? He's cocky at times. Ever read Bronze Age stories? He has to remind himself that there are limits to what he can do. That's why Ma and Pa Kent's death matters. You don't even ****ing KNOW Superman, just Byrne's Big Blue Boy Scout half-******ed Jethro Bodine hick character. Read All-Star Superman again. That's the REAL thing.



Look, you don't know jack about Superman except what you've read Post-crisis. I've been trying to teach you Superman 101, not my fault you won't listen. Basically the deal is this: we like two completely different characters who share the same name. And if that isn't proof that Byrne took Superman too far from his roots, I don't know what is. Thankfully guys who can actually write are fixing that now, and hopefully that doesn't screw up this movie.

If Nolan and crew essential gave us a movie based on All-Star Superman and TAS then this movie could be HUGE!

 

[Kurosawa]

They were made in that period. You said yourself in that period he acted like a jerk.

Heroes should be heroic.

I said he was cocky, sometimes bordering on arrogant and that mostly applies to the Golden Age Superman. You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Indeed. The new Star Trek went so well with the GA, they're already making a sequel.

A whole new Star Trek series...



But one final say:

http://superdickery.com/index.php?I...option=com_content&view=category&limitstart=9

That is no hero.

That is exactly the kind of sycophantic ignorant BS I am talking about. You have no clue.

 

[souvlaki]

Indeed. The new Star Trek went so well with the GA, they're already making a sequel.

A whole new Star Trek series...



But one final say:

http://superdickery.com/index.php?I...option=com_content&view=category&limitstart=9

That is no hero.

Is the "Superman Is A Dick" website your first exposure to Silver Age comic book covers or something? I can't tell if you are joking but you really don't know what you are talking about if you think those covers had anything to do with the characterization of Superman within those comics.

 

[The Batman]

post crisis supes is a homewrecker?!?!?!

hardly heroic.

And I wanna read about heroes

 

[X Knight]

Are those "Super-Dick" comics actually real? Were they actually comics that were placed on shelves and sold in stores?

I mean.....they're funny in a "wtf" kind of way......but they're just so outrageous...It's like.....they're wrong on so many levels.....they just can't be real......can they?

 

[souvlaki]

Are those "Super-Dick" comics actually real? Were they actually comics that were placed on shelves and sold in stores?

I mean.....they're funny in a "wtf" kind of way......but they're just so outrageous...It's like.....they're wrong on so many levels.....they just can't be real......can they?

Yes they were real. GL's Light gave a pretty good explanation on the last page. Covers like that were the norm up until the mid 80's.

Most of those covers resulted from the oft-used Silver Age practice of drawing attention with a shock cover. But the situation on the cover would often bear little relation to the interior story, or there would be a simple explanation, such as Superman's behavior being affected by some form of Kryptonite or something. Although they provide amusing fodder for websites today, those covers don't reflect how Superman behaved in the Silver Age.

 

[GL's Light]

Are those "Super-Dick" comics actually real? Were they actually comics that were placed on shelves and sold in stores?

I mean.....they're funny in a "wtf" kind of way......but they're just so outrageous...It's like.....they're wrong on so many levels.....they just can't be real......can they?

They are real, but as I said earlier the covers were designed to provoke a "wtf?!" reaction that would compel an impulse buy, even though the cover would turn out to have little to do with the interior story or there would be an innocent explanation (like Superman being controlled by some alien influence for a page or two, or coming under the influence of a wacky brand of Kryptonite).

 

[Kurosawa]

post crisis supes is a homewrecker?!?!?!

hardly heroic.

And I wanna read about heroes

Done.

 

[Webhead2006]

They are going to take the best stories, best plots, best arcs, best characters and combine them. They aren't going to be worrying about pre or post crisis because this isn't about the fans. Its about the general public. That is what hurt Superman Returns box office.

This is how i see i going too. And why i keep saying it would be best to take everything as whole look at what worked and what didnt work. and find the best way to combine it all into a fresh new story.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Kurosawa, Superman wasnt just arrogant Pre-Crisis! He was a super *****ebag, more than Batman ever could be.
Really now, is this how you'd like your Superman? Does it make sense when you consider his humble origin and his modest life as Clark Kent? Oh wait, i forgot, Clark Kent is just him acting, Superman is the real person.

The reason i love Superman is because he is DC's Jesus. He is the person everyone looks up to, even freaking Batman.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Okay, for the last time.

Heroes change over time.

For example:

Now, would Green Lantern say that today? No. Because times have changed.

If you can't deal with it, then complain to someone who cares. We don't want to hear about how Batman is bigger than Superman, or how 'corrupted' from the source Superman has become.

We want to enjoy our greatest hero. We don't need someone coming in and telling us how 'back in the day' he did this and that; times have changed. And they'll keep changing.

Flash doesn't need a vegetable strainer on his head.
Green lantern doesn't need a cape.
Superman doesn't need to act like a jerk, when he is one of the greatest heroes of all time. If he acted like a jerk, he wouldn't be the symbol of justice he is today, would he?

Times have changed. Don't complain about it to us.

Now, if we can please get back on track with the film?

Nice post. Kurosawa is either too old (cant teach an old dog new tricks) or a Siegel family member.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^ Well, not Jesus since i don`t like religious connotations exaggerated(AKA Superman Returns) but he is pretty much a noble, humble and caring kind of guy. **** the cocky! I want my Superman to be confident and THAT is totally different of being arrogant!

You`re guys still wasting time on him? I`ve actually mentioned that he had to be a member of the Siegel Family.

 

[Mr. Earle]

There are no religious connotations like the Narnia books. He's just the epitome of good, kindness and compassion.

 

[GL's Light]

Kurosawa, Superman wasnt just arrogant Pre-Crisis! He was a super *****ebag, more than Batman ever could be.

No, he wasn't. There are aspects of Kurosawa's perspective that I don't agree with, but you're now engaging in all or nothing hyperbole. His characterization may have differed somewhat over the years, but Superman has always been a fine, upstanding guy in the comics.

 

[NeoRanger]

Both sides are gripped in ridiculous hyperbole at this point. Byrne's early run had some rather questionable moments, but the overall career of post-Crisis Superman didn't depict a person who wasn't heroic or inspiring. Likewise, Kurosawa posted five or so covers that not only don't scream "heroic", but effectively leave out the ****load of other Silver and Bronze age covers that superdickery has made an internet meme out of. And the funny thing is, for the most part, these aren't exactly representative of either the actual stories or the character in the book.

The differences between pre- and post-Crisis are mostly conceptual. Whatever other bumps came from the different creative teams behind the titles. The essence of the character has been carried over to this day and we'd all be a hell of a lot happier at least uniting on that front.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Kurosawa, Superman wasnt just arrogant Pre-Crisis! He was a super *****ebag, more than Batman ever could be.
Really now, is this how you'd like your Superman? Does it make sense when you consider his humble origin and his modest life as Clark Kent? Oh wait, i forgot, Clark Kent is just him acting, Superman is the real person.
The reason i love Superman is because he is DC's Jesus. He is the person everyone looks up to, even freaking Batman.

Oh man, I love that moment. Superman's great in his bog moments, but it's those small moments when he talks and gives inspiration where I really love the character. You can almost imagine that little girl following his example of living up to your potential and going to to become the best Doctor there is.

Or like John Henry Irons.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Kurosawa, Superman wasnt just arrogant Pre-Crisis! He was a super *****ebag, more than Batman ever could be.
Really now, is this how you'd like your Superman? Does it make sense when you consider his humble origin and his modest life as Clark Kent? Oh wait, i forgot, Clark Kent is just him acting, Superman is the real person.

The reason i love Superman is because he is DC's Jesus. He is the person everyone looks up to, even freaking Batman.

I think my heart just grew three sizes.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh man, I love that moment. Superman's great in his bog moments, but it's those small moments when he talks and gives inspiration where I really love the character. You can almost imagine that little girl following his example of living up to your potential and going to to become the best Doctor there is.

Or like John Henry Irons.

I totally agree.

I think my heart just grew three sizes.

Just imagine having the worst day possible, and then faking a suicide attempt just to get an uplifting hug and a speech from Superman. I took it too far eh?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I totally agree.
Just imagine having the worst day possible, and then faking a suicide attempt just to get an uplifting hug and a speech from Superman. I took it too far eh?

I agree with you and ChickenScratch. It's mostly those profound inspirational moments that draw me to the character. For someone to possess all of that power only to use it in the fashions he does. . . well, it cements Superman as the ultimate fictional role model. Many claim the very idea of him is immature: a guy dressing in bright colors and saving people. What Superman really stands for is to me maturity in its highest form, though.

Inspirational, admirable, and awesome.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally superman needs to be strong, have that good moral focus, and be a symbol of hope and inspire folks to be better then they are. Looking at the best in a person even if they are bad/evil.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I agree with you and ChickenScratch. It's mostly those profound inspirational moments that draw me to the character. For someone to possess all of that power only to use it in the fashions he does. . . well, it cements Superman as the ultimate fictional role model. Many claim the very idea of him is immature: a guy dressing in bright colors and saving people. What Superman really stands for is to me maturity in its highest form, though.
Inspirational, admirable, and awesome.

Yes, totally. He's the chivalrous knight, the very definition of virtue and living up to your potential. He knows that he can't possibly save everyone. But what he can do is be the best person he can be with the gifts he's been given. I think he inspires as much in the DC universe as he does in ours. He's the total Greek ideal, perfection in thought, action and body.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Both sides are gripped in ridiculous hyperbole at this point. Byrne's early run had some rather questionable moments, but the overall career of post-Crisis Superman didn't depict a person who wasn't heroic or inspiring.

Superman was clearly an inspiring and heroic character in post-crisis. Who ever say otherwise never read a Superman comic in their lives.

And obviously, pre-crisis is the same. But, IMO, most of the stories from back then are just a little stupid and childish for my tastes, especially the silver age. I just can`t take that era seriously.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I agree that superman has to be a character representing some sort of hope, but you have to leave that to imagery only because otherwise you end up stuck with the same cute romanticism typical of the donner movies. I want a kick ass and modern superman movie. Something that appeals to us in the same way it did to generations past. I agree that we will see elements from different superman stories since that is team nolans modus operandi.

Pre-crisis has its merits I agree, but the story telling methods of that age are too old fashioned for this generation. His pre-crisis powers seem to me too sensational to be able to make a good story out of it. He is just too powerful to be able to make us feel like something could really go wrong and we could lose. Unrelatable i guess. We cant be that picky because after all teh very origin of the character did not have him flying but jumping through buildings instead and that just wouldnt fly today. pun intended.

I just think superman has to have a certain sense of vulnerabilty so that the movie can be better accepted by the mass audiences of today. If you think people were annoyed that superman returns was basically a remake of the 70s-80s donner version, people will be turned off to see a superman of the 1940's-50's on screen.